Other - URGENT! My cat ate some hash, what should I do????

[Nargyle]

Hi, SWIM was collecting some hash from his ice-o-lator and his 4 month old cat ate a tiny bit, but now looks completely stoned. She can walk but doesnt want to and seems like she feels sick. Is there any danger of cats ODing on THC? Should SWIM wait it out or call the vet?

[ThirdEyeFloond]

I would go see a vet just be safe, he could probably make it vomit out most of it before it's metabolized if it ate alot, if it was a tiny bite I wouldn't worry. My parrot tells me he has seen a dog that ate most of a bag of hash brownies once, it sure as hell didn't look like it felt good, but it was okay after some hours past, though a bit drowsy the day after. With a tripsitter petting it, I would think it can ride it out.

[Lethargy]

I do not consider myself an expert but a former roommate of mine had two kittens she used to 'hotbox' with and feed small buds to. The kittens would often get quite stoned and pass out for a few hours but never seemed to suffer any permanent damage. Cats however cannot tell you what sort of mental effects they go through so who knows.

These kittens grew into perfectly normal seeming cats with no health problems according to veterinary checkups.

However, I have no expertise in this field. Hopefully someone else can help you more, any vets around?

[JaWill88]

Originally Posted by Lethargy

I do not consider myself an expert but a former roommate of mine had two kittens she used to 'hotbox' with and feed small buds to. The kittens would often get quite stoned and pass out for a few hours but never seemed to suffer any permanent damage. Cats however cannot tell you what sort of mental effects they go through so who knows.

These kittens grew into perfectly normal seeming cats with no health problems according to veterinary checkups.

However, I have no expertise in this field. Hopefully someone else can help you more, any vets around?

thats just not right.

[Lethargy]

Originally Posted by JaWill88

thats just not right.

We must agree, though as mentioned the kittens seemed fine later. We in no way condone this or similar practices, merely sharing what experience we have. The roommate in question had a habit of forcing substances onto her pets, she figured out how to get a cat drunk (will not share as no matter how funny it looked the cat obviously did not enjoy it) and once gave a 6-foot bong hit to one of her cats. The cats as mentioned did get vet checkups and the vet reported them as healthy from what we understand.

One of the cats grew up to enjoy and seek out pot smokers, the other never seemed to like it, possibly due to early trauma involving the substance. Both of them have since gone to (much) better homes.

[LEC]

Swim had a crazy buddy that loved making cannabutter. This crazyass never purposefully got their animals buzzed but did feel really bad when their almost year old dog knocked the empty metal bowl (after straining, refridg.) off of the counter and licked it clean.

Things were O.K. Cattle Dog was normal acting for the first hour (you know...however long it takes to kick in) and then the dog layed on the floor, not really moving for several hours. Dog was chillin. Chillin hardcore I think.

Crazyass noticed that the dog's tongue was kind of dried (compared to the usual slob mess) and gave him ice cubes to lick, which he loves, and helped to get him some hydration. They layed on the couch together (both blazed out of their minds) with Crazyass petting, rubbing, stroking his fur. This was enjoyable since it was the first time Crazyass had been able to hold their cattle dog without him squirming and knocking his skull into their chin. They have a reason to believe that the dog really liked this too.

Dog came around a little earlier than the Crazyass and went right back to being his usual dog self. They have taken extra measures to not leave the metal bowl near the edge of the counter again but had a feeling that the dog was just as relaxed as his owner though he didn't realize why and didn't have much of a choice in it after the ingestion.

Aside from the "surprise" of it, crazyass thinks the cat would be fine. Possibly bringing it to the vet might redflag swim for no reason (always better to be safe than sorry though. Swims loves cats SOOO much *snuggles them* and will always advise to bring their fluffer to the vet if they feel the need)

LEC

[abraham]

Whats up with the cat? Hope its fine. Swim had some friends whos dog died from snagging some yayo off a dresser.

[purplehaze]

From studies it has been shown that a lethal dose in rats(oral ingestion) is like 300 times there body weight. The cat could have eaten every bit of it and still lived. Marijuana doesn't cause death from over dose, an over dose is usually considered as an uncomfortable feeling. A lethal dose is much much much higher than an overdose with marijuana and is practically unachievable. Even in animals as small as cats and dogs (dogs eat much more so more prone to overdose) but swim would bet that the animal could eat until they were so full they stopped (dogs are dumb they will eat till they kill thereself) and still be in perfect health.

[ThirdEyeFloond]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

From studies it has been shown that a lethal dose in rats(oral ingestion) is like 300 times there body weight.

300 times their body weight?! O_o SWIM isn't advocating animal cruelty here but would like to know how one would go about making anything eat that much. It would be similar to showing 24 tons down the throat of a 80kg human subject lol. I agree the lethal oral dosage is high though, the merck index says LD50 is 1270 mg/kg (male rats), 730 mg/kg (female rats) oral in sesame oil.

[purplehaze]

Yeah, swim couldnt recall the exact numbers but knows its extremely high. Thats why swim worded it "like 300 times" instead of "300 times". For relevance, you can kill yourself quicker drinking water than smoking cannabis. Oral ingestion would on the other hand be easier (unless you suffercasted from lack of oxygen of were smothered to death by the smoke lol) for a lethal dose to apply, although swim believes that a lethal dose cannot ever be aquired, even if swiy was trying to kill themselfs with marijuana it would be damn near impossible.

EDIT:


After doing some research i found some pretty useful information regarding this thread.

Acute toxicity was studied using intravenous, intraperitoneal and oral routes of administration in rats. An LD50 similar to that reported by Phillips et al. (1971) was found by the intravenous route (20 mg/kg of THC) and intraperitoneal route (400 mg/kg) but higher values were noted with oral administration (1140 mg/kg). Interestingly, the LD50 for males was 1400 mg/kg while for females it was 700 mg/kg by the oral route. The minimal lethal dose orally was between 225 and 450 mg/kg.

An LD50 was not attainable in monkeys and dogs by the oral route. Enormous dose levels (over 3000 mg/kg of Delta 9 THC) were administered without lethality to most animals. A dose of about 1000 mg/kg THC was the lowest dose which caused death in any animals The completeness of intestinal absorption of THC at these high doses is unknown. Behavioral changes in the survivors included sedation, huddled posture, muscle tremors, hypersensitivity to sound and hypermobility


The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.

The LD50 in rats is 4180 MG/KG for water (which is alot easier to achieve considering its drinking water)

Ah and a funny i thought might be a good read to some (its a trip report lol)

I drank Water for the first time at a party last night, and it was great!! Some of my friends who do W told me about the experience earlier, but I now realize that it was beyond my wildest expectations. I was a little bit scared, at first, because I heard about some of the bad side effects that it can cause. A few people said they choked on it, and one guy said that he dribbled it all over his clothes and got them wet. Luckily, none of these things happened to me. They started passing glasses around to everyone and I decided to take one The Water was very clear in color. They said it was scored from a guy who got it from a spring in Canada. I don't know whether it was really Canadian Water, but it was definitely good quality, judging by the color. I used about 500g of it. When I put the glass up to my mouth, and swallowed, the first sensation I felt was of something wet traveling down my throat. This sensation started before I had even removed the glass from my mouth. I was able to acheive the same feeling again, by taking another swallow. As the trip progressed, I noticed several other things. The W produced a state of mind that I believe could best be described as a lack of thirst. The trip didn't last for very long, but I think that it would be safe to say that the experience gave me some important insights into my consciousness. Chief among these, is the realization that Water can relieve thirst.

So all in all it would be safe to say that any dose of marijuana plant or hash from a icolator your animal eats is not going to effect it long term, and in most cases (probably always) will not kill the animal. Swiy would have to force a cat to eat that much in order for it to be lethal.


Edit2: This from wikipedia (swim trusts wikipedia as a source)

According to the Merck Index, 12th edition, THC has a LD50 value of 1270 mg/kg (male rats) and 730 mg/kg (female rats) administered orally dissolved in sesame oil.[4]
If this were scaled up to an adult human, the LD50 would be between approximately 86 g and 50 g for a 68-kg (150-lb) male or female person, respectively. This would be equivalent to 1-1.8 kg of cannabis with a 5% THC content (roughly average) taken orally. The LD50 value for rats by inhalation of THC is 42 mg/kg of body weight. It is important to note, however, that toxicity in animal models does not necessarily correlate to human toxicity. THC receptor distribution in the rat central nervous system is different from that of humans, meaning that there is the significant possibility that toxicity in humans varies from the published animal LD50 studies. There has never been a documented fatality from marijuana or THC overdose.[5] Absorption is limited by serum lipids, which can become saturated with THC, thus the inherent solubility may mitigate toxicity.
Studies of the distribution of the cannabinoid receptors in the brain explain why THC's toxicity is so low (i.e., the LD50 of the compound is so large): Parts of the brain that control vital functions such as respiration do not have many receptors, so they are relatively unaffected even by doses larger than could ever be ingested under any normal conditions.