Combinations - Cats and opiates

[paranoid_android]

This is a pretty short post. I thought of adding a poll, but eh. Anyway. SwiPA loves to sit in a comfy recliner after coming up on hydrocodone. He has a blue/grey cat name Monty (short for Montezuma of course) that he likes to have in his lap or on his chest. When SwiPA's on the nod in a recliner with his cat, he's the happiest soul in the 'verse.

SwiPA's always been envious of the lackadaisical way his cat can nap anywhere at any time. Unlike a large and energetic dog, an affectionate cat seems to be the perfect companion for a SWIM on the nod. Does anyone else enjoy this particular combination?

[fnord]

Kittys are nice anywhere anytime,you dont need drugs to enjoy them.

MeOw?

[paranoid_android]

Oh my stars and garters. I meant the prefix to be "combinations", not "anal use". Jumping jesus on a pogo stick....

EDIT: Whew. Fixed it.

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Hilarious!!! Thanx for the majorly much needed chuckle!

[moda00]

Originally Posted by paranoid_android

Oh my stars and garters. I meant the prefix to be "combinations", not "anal use". Jumping jesus on a pogo stick....

EDIT: Whew. Fixed it.

Haha anal use of cats.. Don't go getting any ideas.. Seriously though..

Swim has three of the critters.. they are my lovers!! They are always around; when I'm at the 'puter my crazy orange one sits on the monitor and stares at me, and the fat one curls up on the pillow at my feet, and the kitten runs around and acts crazy as usual.. lol. They are so chill and loving.. Swim finds that when she used to smoke bud a lot they really dug that.. And tripping on lsd they are the happiest cats in the world (swim trips, not them, although she thinks that they trip too somehow).. but the few times swim has shot dope (heroin) around them, they are too curious and mess with her and she gets frustrated because they try to play with her needles or jump on her lap while she's trying to hit the vein, so she has to push them away or lock them in the other room. But she could see how opiate use in a less impulsive/fixing context could be conducive to cuddling with the kitty

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woot cats!

[snapper]

SWIM agrees with Urkel/Fnord - cats are good company anytime. They have always shared an empathy with SWIM and seem to pickup on SWIM's moods /mind altered states. They especially seem to know when SWIM is tripping and always develop a contact high. Not being a big fan of the nod these days (or rather, too big of a fan..) SWIM cannot comment so much on that. A nodded lap is of course a more stable lap and therefore a more attractive heating pad to the feline. Not that they don't love you too, but cats love warmth...SWIM's cats all congregate around the heating vents when it's on and go into a coma from the heat. Add some catnip and they are unrousable.

[paranoid_android]

Originally Posted by snapper

cats love warmth...SWIM's cats all congregate around the heating vents when it's on and go into a coma from the heat. Add some catnip and they are unrousable.

Hah, that's exactly the same as SwiPA's cats.

Just for the record, SwiPA is a big time cat lover in all states of mind. He'll wake up, go to the kitchen, and mumble a "hi mom". But as soon as he sees the cat he gets energized and talkative.

Originally Posted by snapper

A nodded lap is of course a more stable lap and therefore a more attractive heating pad to the feline.

Exactly. The highly sedentary nature of nodding seems to go hand in hand with cats and their frequent catnaps. Plus, the whole "warm blanket" feeling really feels more complete with a cat on the lap.

[BakaBilly]

SWIM swears his cat knows when hes high. Cause Dex is extra fun and playful when SWIM is stoned.

[radiometer]

You are not the first person to note the fondness, perhaps even comradeship, that felines seem to exhibit towards their opiate using friends.

[fnord]

On an offtopic note,im getting new kittys soon!!! I just moved into a place where i can actually have a cat.

You are not the first person to note the fondness, perhaps even comradeship, that felines seem to exhibit towards their opiate using friends

Maybe there just trying to get closer to your stash?

[NoleGirl323]

SWIM thought that she was the only one who has a cat who knows when she is high. Roxy (SWIM's cat) curls up on SWIMs lap in a little ball and purrs away. She is so soft and cuddly; nothing a night of some good pills and swim's lil kitty.

[Tortoise]

Swim has always had a theory about cats. His theory is that somewhere, somehow they have a stash of opiates which they indulge in at least two or three times a day.

Pay close attention to your cat. Does he/she not appear to be nodding in that sunbeam? Look at it's eyes, occasionally opening into tiny little slits as kitty blissfully drifts in and out of consciousness. Savouring the moment. That's exactly how Swim looks on opiates.

Take a close look at the following picture. This cat is on the nod!


But on a serious note, cats and opiates don't really mix that well. Swim's 11th grade english teacher told once us how her cat had the sniffles, so she gave it a whole tablet of codeine. It died within an hour. What a moron! Her husband was a pharmacist too, so you'd have thought she new better.

[paranoid_android]

Originally Posted by Tortoise

But on a serious note, cats and opiates don't really mix that well. Swim's 11th grade english teacher told once us how her cat had the sniffles, so she gave it a whole tablet of codeine. It died within an hour. What a moron! Her husband was a pharmacist too, so you'd have thought she new better.

My cat got screwed up by a coyote. It had to have regular visits to the vets to get an IM injection of some sort of opiate. I'm sure it was a minuscule amount compared to a human dose, but that cat sure nodded after the shot.

I would NEVER dose one of my animals for two reasons: I can't know whether it wants to do it or not, and I would have no idea what dose to give.

However, if a cat is in pain at the vets they will give it opiates. Cats are mammals and have a lot of the same receptors, including opiate ones. I think the opiate was dextropropoxyphene. I was actually jealous of the cat for a while.

[moda00]

Originally Posted by paranoid_android

My cat got screwed up by a coyote. It had to have regular visits to the vets to get an IM injection of some sort of opiate. I'm sure it was a minuscule amount compared to a human dose, but that cat sure nodded after the shot.

I would NEVER dose one of my animals for two reasons: I can't know whether it wants to do it or not, and I would have no idea what dose to give.

However, if a cat is in pain at the vets they will give it opiates. Cats are mammals and have a lot of the same receptors, including opiate ones. I think the opiate was dextropropoxyphene. I was actually jealous of the cat for a while.

Agreed. Animals are the coolest; why do something to them in which they have no ability to consent, and in which you have no ability to properly administer or to reverse if a problem arises? It's so unnecessary and swim will join fnord's militia to strike you down if you mess with the felines.

But in vet situations, pain control is certainly warranted for any creature who can feel pain regardless of species.

But as for cats consenting to altered states.. 1) Catnip- the drug just for cats. They choose to eat that shit and love every second of it. (It makes me happy to see them so happy..lol) and 2) Weed- if they run towards you as soon as the pipe comes out and chase the smoke around, I'm not one to argue about it! That said, swim makes anyone go outside on the porch if they are smoking cigarettes at her home.. and during her brief period of crack smokage she locked her kitty at that time (that kitty now lives with her brother) out of the room before lighting up- she knows how horrible crack was to her; she would never inflict that on her little dudes!

Swim's friend once told her his big labrador had a painful surgery and had a fentanyl type patch adhered to his shaved area. This makes no sense to swim, as why would they use an adhesive type drug on a furry mammal? Surely there are other ways- liquid in needle-less syringe? Pills in peanut butter? But she doesn't know why he would lie about that.. And when swim's friend worked at a vet office he reported there to be diazepam, oxazepam, ketamine, and injectable buprenorphine.. yes, if you are wondering, swim and said friend benefited.. but only from the first two (pills), he felt shady about taking the vials/ampoules and swim agreed with the assessment.. oh how she regrets it.. Apparently the bup. was used during routine surgeries, and other non-opioid painkillers were usually prescribed for post-surgery pain if needed.

[paranoid_android]

Originally Posted by moda00

But as for cats consenting to altered states.. 1) Catnip- the drug just for cats. They choose to eat that shit and love every second of it. (It makes me happy to see them so happy..lol) and 2) Weed- if they run towards you as soon as the pipe comes out and chase the smoke around, I'm not one to argue about it!

Hah, same. SwiPA's cat is kind of neutral to weed. He's interested at times, and others he just walks away. Catnip is unfortunately not really in the house; SwiPA should definitely get some.

SwiPA once met a dog at some girl's house. It was a small black pug-looking dog that would lap up smoke as it was exhaled towards it. Funniest shit ever.

[moda00]

Originally Posted by paranoid_android

Hah, same. SwiPA's cat is kind of neutral to weed. He's interested at times, and others he just walks away. Catnip is unfortunately not really in the house; SwiPA should definitely get some.

SwiPA once met a dog at some girl's house. It was a small black pug-looking dog that would lap up smoke as it was exhaled towards it. Funniest shit ever.

Yes, SwiPA should give it a try sometime!! Apparently cats become sensitive around 90 days of age, and anywhere from 20-50% of cats do not actually respond to it (apparently it is genetic) but if they do, it is the most hilarious thing in the world. There is an interesting article about it from Science and Technology (vol. 83, No. 31, Aug. 2005) that discusses the main chemical responsible for its action and how cats are affected.. not really related to humans and drug use so I won't post it or archive it, but it is an interesting read for cat owners! Interestingly enough, all four of my cats (three live with me, one now lives with a sibling) respond very strongly, so methinks the number is much less than 50%, although I can't really base that off a four cat sample- I have observed many friends' cats also enjoying it..

One time a friend had some fresh grown and harvested catnip- looked very similar to good bud, lol- and she gave some to me to give my kitties- they went absolutely wild over that stuff! I'd love to grow it, but I fear they would attack the plant and maul it quite early in its life cycle The dried stuff can be bought at most pet store for say $3-8 bucks depending on size of container- it is a fine green "shake" and they seem to respond quite well (although I have noticed that after I leave a catnip filled toy out for awhile they don't respond, so it seems better to let them play with it occasionally or just get the fresh stuff so that they eat a little at a time (not sure if it a "tolerance" effect in a way similar to humans and say opiates, or something else.. would be interested to know)

EDIT: Here's the article: http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/83/8331catnip.html
OK back on topic sorry!

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interesting

[fnord]

By the way because it always happens in threads like this,anyone that glorifies or talks about Drugging there pets WILL get a massive amount of bad rep and there ass kicked in the afterlife by whatever god there might/might not be.

And as always someones bound to ignore this and do it anyways...

[snapper]

The cat would more likely have died from the tylenol. However, cats have different nervous systems and have more adverse reactions to narcotics, particularly mu agonists. The amount of codeine in a codeine tablet would be unlikely to kill a cat - but then again, tylenol would be expected to take much longer to cause sickness and death, particularly since it would need to be metabolized by cytochrome enzymes in the liver to produce free radicals and damage cells. Maybe it was a really high dose codeine tablet, or just an unlucky cat. Moral of the story, do not give your pets drugs, and if you do fnord will be waiting in the parking lot for you...

[Freak_]

SWIM likes his cat when he is on opiates or other drugs, but when SWIM is on opiate withdrawal the cat is annoying.

[OhCasey]

This Swim is a Dog person, So cats might bring me down.

[samuraigecko]

SWIMs cat knows when he is on the nod . . . . SWIMs cat likes to keep him company at these times too. One seriously does think that they may be able to sense it somehow.

[JaWill88]

swim always enjoys the cat on lap after a shot of junk. great synergy. swim definately feels that swim and the cat are in the same mindstate/ on the same level.

[Blyss]

This is my first post. It's nice to be here everyone.

AFAIK it would be the Acetaminophen that caused the cat's death. SWIM has done a lot of research on cats as well as Acetaminophen. As SWIM understands it, cats lack the liver enzyme to metabolize Acetaminophen properly so even a tiny amount is fatally toxic. SWIM directed me to this information:

For several reasons, cats are extremely sensitive to the toxic effects of acetaminophen. Cats form glucoronides with many compounds slowly, or not at all, because they possess fewer isoforms of the enzymes that mediate the conjugation, that is, glucuronyl transferases. More specifically, cats have a relative absence of a specific high-affinity acetaminophen glucuronoyl transferase that conjugates acetaminophen with glucuronic acid. This relative deficiency of the glucuronide conjugation pathway results in more drug being conjugated to sulfates; however, the sulfation pathway has a finite capacity, which is also lower in cats than other species. Once the sulfation pathway reaches its capacity, acetaminophen is allowed to persist in the blood and more is metabolized by cytochrome P-450 enzymes to NAPQI. Glutathione synthesis is suppressed by high levels of acetaminophen and the presence of NAPQI rapidly depletes glutathione stores.

The full document can be found at: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...medid=12839249

SWIM tells me that is basically the same as the process that produces toxicity when a person takes too much Acetaminophen, except that it progresses MUCH faster and stronger in cats.

More on topic, SWIM tells me he too enjoys chilling with his cat after using an opiate. He tells me his cat knows when he is high and seems to share in the experience. SWIM likes to give his cat some catnip so he can enjoy the experience with SWIM. In fact SWIM's cat will come running and beg if the phrase "You want some nip?" is announced loud enough for the cat to hear. SWIM's cat is awesome.

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good first post,your knowaldge would be apreciated around here. +10 points.