Opinions - Is pure MDMA really better than Ecstacy? I've heard E is better from many.

[jbigs2007]

Well some people have told me MDMA is better but most have told me they prefer E. I just dont see how the pure form couldnt be better. Unless what they got really wasnt pure... but two people have told me its similar to E just without the sketchyness but they didnt like how it wasnt as intense or party like as E is. Lately my gerbil's been having pretty chill body highs from E. How can he get the highs were he cant stop talking or moving lol.

[RaverHippie]

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Then other people could enjoy the effects of adulterated pills as opposed to the singular drug MDMA, but then those people are also putting unknown possibly dangerous chemicals into their body. It's their informed decision to make but if SWIM had the choice pure MDMA would be the answer every time.

[enquirewithin]

"E" and MDMA are supposed to be one and the same, but the pills often contain other chemicals.

[grandbaby]

Sounds to me like your friends are missing the speediness of the stimulants that some E pills can be cut with.

[Melalicious]

swim finds both to be great! both to have there own "effects" of course MDMA wont have the intense partying feeling like an E, but MDMA is still worth every bit that a pill is!

sometimes its nice to not have such an intense feeling swim thinks! depends on swims mood at the time (as with everything lol)

[rah]

MDMA is far more useful in my opinion. if you are confident with purity, and have a cheap mg scale you can dose yourself accordingly. Like make a 100mg capsules to start the night, and a bunch of 50mg capsules for later that evenings shenanigans.

its tough to do that with pills cause even the same color and logo doesnt mean its the same(here anyway). With pure powder you get a feel for it and can just dose yourself perfectly.



my thoughts on most chems anyway .

[radiometer]

I very much dislike the fact that the term "Ecstasy" has changed meaning over the years from a generic slang term for MDMA to a connotation that seems to dignify deliberately misrepresented drugs with their own special, attractive-sounding name. Fake or adulterated MDMA pills are just that, they are not "Ecstasy," they are bunk.

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Dead right !!!

[BlondieUK]

Pure MDMA is THE drug.

There is nothing like it.

Swim knows the state which you mean, where you can't move or speak, and it's fucking excellent.

If you can get hold of some really, really good quality MDMA, do everything in your power to make sure it's going to be used on the best possible occasion.

Enjoy yourself! =)

[23smooches]

Ecstasy pills are supposed to be made of Pure MDMA. But they usually arent. Your friends probably like the E pills because they have meth in them. There is nothing better than a Pure MDMA experience.

[Clif]

In Swim's opinion pure MDMA really shows it benefits over an adulterated pill the next day. After swiy rolls off of pure MDMA you will notice that the comedown the next day is nowhere near as harsh.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by jbigs2007

Well some people have told me MDMA is better but most have told me they prefer E. I just dont see how the pure form couldnt be better. Unless what they got really wasnt pure... but two people have told me its similar to E just without the sketchyness but they didnt like how it wasnt as intense or party like as E is. Lately my gerbil's been having pretty chill body highs from E. How can he get the highs were he cant stop talking or moving lol.

Pure MDMA is a much better than the to be quite frank, the sh** that is in these pills today. The kids these days say they prefer 'E', probably because they have never tried the real thing. The pure product is rare.

Most of them don't contain any MDMA or MDxx like substance at all. The market worldwide is covered with piperazines, amphetamines, dextromethorphan. You name it. Its probably been in it. Now supposedly produced in dodgy makeshift labortories in Eastern Europe, and other sources say Israel to a certain extent, SWIM has seen a rapid decrease in manufacture in The Netherlands currently, and also a rapid drop in price of 'ecstasy' tablets.

SWIM buys his MDMA from a reliable chemist who knows exactly what he is doing and has almost unlimited access to the needed precursors. It is between 97 and 99.9% pure MDMA, coming in as a solid crystaline salt.

[podge]

Radiometer hit the nail on the head, since when is "ecstacy" just a random cocktail of chemicals ? Ecstacy is meant to be MDMA !!!

And its impossible to compare "pills" vs MDMA too as "pills" could contain anything at all - the question should should be :

"do you prefer to know what your ingesting or is random assortment of potentially deadly materials your thing ?"

[OzzBozz]

SWIM has seen very clean pills in his area that has beat 100mg caps of Molly....

SWIM has also seen "mollie" pills... blank pills that are domed on the back.

[skinnyhandle]

Hely,
rocksmokinmachine, u say the pure product is rare? In UK I hear there is plenty of "pure" mdma crystals (maybe very mild impurities), but theres lots, as much as can be cained! I assumed there must be even more in Amsterdam.
There are so many piperazine "pills" tho, everywhere, fucking herbals!

[Mr. Giraffe]

^^ I see this is your first post. I believe you may be deluding yourself about the purity of the product your friends have seen.

[BlondieUK]

I must say, in the UK we seem to be able to get some very, very good MDMA.

Not sure about pills as I don't trust them, but MDMA and good base speed here is readily available.

[Mr. Giraffe]

Have you tested the MDMA for purity? I would be genuinely surprised if someone hadn't added a little something to make it more profitable even if it originally started out pure.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by skinnyhandle

Hely,
rocksmokinmachine, u say the pure product is rare? In UK I hear there is plenty of "pure" mdma crystals (maybe very mild impurities), but theres lots, as much as can be cained! I assumed there must be even more in Amsterdam.
There are so many piperazine "pills" tho, everywhere, fucking herbals!

I know the situation in the UK at the minute (I originate from the N.E and return at least 6 times a year). There has been a surge in production, and it has been available in the larger cities for a couple of years, though the market is not exactly flooded at the moment. The MDMA sold in the UK is fairly pure, it is cut, but they tend to be with inactives rather than the traditional amphetamine/piperazine shi*mix they usually have. On close inspection SWIM found the physical characteristics to be quite good (on a estimate around 80%). The scene is pretty much the same in Amsterdam, as far as the street 'molly' goes. Though SWIM has a chemist friend that can produce the pure product.

Just as a side note, piperazines are far from 'herbal'. have a look at the research chemicals forum. BZP, MCCP? Herbal? It was just marketing trying to avoid making the London Underground pills illegal, which they inevitably were, and has been labelled so since.

I disagree with Mr. Giraffes comment on the purity of the product, 80%+ is still very good. SWIM has seen it himself.

[skinnyhandle]

Sorry, I just think its funny to call them 'herbals' because they were legal, sold as / with herbal highs but they just get you completely chemmed up in a really messy way, nice stuff.
MCPP is SWIMs fav: stimulation, nausea, and mild superficial hallucinations that trails on for 12-24hrs!
Someone i once met prefers MDMA btw, but the variey of ingredients in "nice" pills make them more cainable week after week

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by skinnyhandle

MCPP is SWIMs fav: stimulation, nausea, and mild superficial hallucinations that trails on for 12-24hrs!
Someone i once met prefers MDMA btw, but the variey of ingredients in "nice" pills make them more cainable week after week

Seriously?

[Micklemouse]

Let's keep this away from Piperazine/"herbal"/"legal" high discussion please. Despite the fact that they have seemingly found their way into pills recently, this discussion is about the difference between dirty random pills that may or may not have MDxx (i.e Ecstasy) & MDxx (Ecstasy).

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To repeat, Ecstasy is Ecstasy, pills are pills. Pills are often sold as E, but have never been near Ecstasy in their short lives. Many people do indeed prefer pills to the pure product, as the pure product doesn't give them the "up" that a speed filled pill will. Many people prefer the pure product as it does what it says on the tin & doesn't keep them awake & gurning for several days, leaving them a twitching wreck at the end of it.

A Certain Mouse tells me that as far as he is concerned it's horses for courses. Generally he will go for a wrap of shiny crystal MDxx over a pill, but now & again he just feels down-right dirty & will neck a random pill to see what it does (of course he'll test it first wherever possible, otherwise it's word of mouth & the evidence of his eyes I'm afraid - there's no way he's carrying a tub full of various acids around when he goes clubbing!).

That said, even with pills that are known to be 100% MDxx (or a least as near as makes no odds), there is still sometimes something qualitatively different when compared to a relative amount of crystal, A Certain Mouse has wondered sometimes if there might not be an extra reaction between the product & the binders somewhere along the line, giving them an extra bite. Of course, set & setting, the company one keeps & the things they bring could also account for this...

[rocksmokinmachine]

I think the question has already been answered: Is PURE (as in 99.9%) MDMA better than the random assortment of chemicals in an 'ecstasy tablet'.

Answer: Yes.

[Micklemouse]

Or no, depending on what the taker is looking for from their experience.

And on that note...

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