Thrashing mumbling ( Perhaps acting out hallucinations? )

[asplinteredfawn]

While deep in a K hole does anyone ever experience thrashing about or general movement that isn't voluntary or noticed by the person in the K hole? Perhaps "acting out" or "fight or flight" response to deeply horrifying visions?

[Lettish]

Swim would say this is just part of the visuals and hallucinations that Swiy would experience. It's probably just part of the trip. Is it for the entire trip or just every now and then? Does it happen frequently to your Swim? How does he administer ketamine? What scene, setting and scenario does he usually use ket?

[arman]

my SWIM *sometimes* act out part of his K-Holes (usually the near the come-down), this is confirmed by recorded videos of his k-holing, SWIM used 80-100mg Ketamine by IM injection, lying on bed.

[asplinteredfawn]

SWIM has been admitted to the hospital after dosing large amounts of what was thought to be LSD. It was in a liquid form and SWIM knew it was probably something else since it had a bitter taste. Another time SWIM got a hold of 9 " hits " of blotters containing DOC. SWIMS friend acquired them from someone who said that each " square " was a trip. SWIM saw 1.5 written down in the corner of another sheet (square) after already consuming the 9 individual squares. SWIMS friend told SWIM that the entire square would be a good dose for someone who eats 1/4 of potent mushrooms or 10 hit's of medium-above average strength LSD. This was absolutely false, because SWIM tripped so hard that he lost all recollection of his " body " on earth and basically had a very intense ego-centric grandiose " dream/trip " the whole time SWIM was running around saying the same 6 or so words and bumping into things and just acting like an empty vessel left on an auto pilot system that had malfunctioned.

Both of the time I'm talking about accompanied a " trip/dream " that started the first time this happened and then picked up where the last " trip/dream " left off. SWIMS last high dose Ketamine experience picked up where the last liquid LSD ( SWIM believes it was DOM or DOC not LSD. ) left off. SWIM now wonders why this " reoccurring trip will not let him be. It's very very complex and has themes of death, fulfilling a "prophecy" or " obligation " that perhaps SWIMS father never fulfilled. SWIM really wishes he has someone to talk to about shit who was experienced. But honestly SWIM is a very experienced psychonaught, it is basically his life. He reads, studies, explores his own mind and the nature of reality. SWIMS goal is to understand the incomprehensible. SWIM has no problem with relatively high doses. It's just the sort of " mystical " doses of hallucinogenic substances that lead him back to this " invitation " to the " other side ".

This is as far as SWIM can really piece it together. His father is a constant theme in this and a wheel of different choices he's made throughout his life. Along with a lost love who SWIM will never be with. There becomes a point in the "trip" where SWIM does / says the same things. " Alright dad, this is pretty fucked up right here... All along, all my life... Here we go. " SWIM is surrounded by psychedelic beings and the spinning wheel / falun. All SWIMS life he's felt alien to this planet, and doesn't believe in aliens or anything. But does believe in another realms of existence.

SWIM believes he isn't suppose to be here and that this is where he is being invited to " pass over " their have been thousands of unexplainable happenings relating to this. SWIM doesn't necessarily believe this is real he just believes that there is something deep in his subconscious that is haunting him and he can't go back to his exploration of the external until he cleanses the internal. Does anyone have any advice for SWIM besides " lay off the drugs buddy " or some sarcastic remark.

SWIM is not an idiot or easily hoodwinked. He is naturally a disbeliever until he has diligently studied the topic at hand. SWIM knows that " being a chosen being to transcend to enlightenment is probably a subconscious theme in his mind. " Perhaps these sequence of hallucinations are manifestations of this fantasy. But every time SWIM is suppose to fulfill this " sequence of signs and language that the beings understand " he runs away like a scared little child. Into the darkness which propels his human shell to run rampant screaming and once outside into the cold winter snow without shoes. For a slight moment he could see what was going on in this realm but could see in 360's around him.

If anyone believes they can help swim or even just relate with him perhaps? Please PM me. Suggest reading material, personal experiences, or if you wanted to know more ( It gets extremely in depth on the edge of epic. ), or if you know of anyone who has had this sort of thing happen to them. Please let me know, all SWIM wants is to feel at peace with the idea of death and fulfill this obviously unfulfilled duty or fantasy in SWIMS subconscious.

[KillroyMindless]

swim had thrashings and involentary movements. on lsa swim once had feelings of unfullfilment.