Effects - where's the euphoria?

[BrainMelt]

Swim had done yayo about 60 times over the past 3 1/2 years. The first 5(yes only 5) times or so, he felt that amazing euphoria and being on top of the world feeling that cola is supposed to give. After that it just stopped happening. Swim only gets a very mild mood lift and overall very restless feeling. This is with good quality stuff too. Swim uses it about once a month so there is plenty of time for dopamine levels to get back to normal. What could cause this lack of positive effects swim used to get the first few times? Any advice on how to get those lovely effects again?

[s2them]

if swim would want to he could smoke it but theres a high risk of getting addicted other than that dont know what could do that

[BrainMelt]

Swim smoked it once(crack) and didn't get euphoria then either.

[RaverHippie]

My kitty used coke on two occasions, once to try. Then another time my kitty accompanied a friend through a tough night and joined said friend through a binge. Neither time produced anything remotely close to euphoria.

[Benga]

some interesting threads in the forum accessible by using the "effects" prefix.

[epote]

brainmelt:

swim is using very pure cocaine, as in home grown pure cocaine. He noticed the excact same thing.

its the honeymoon period, when its over its over.

[Kolon]

Originally Posted by epote

brainmelt:

swim is using very pure cocaine, as in home grown pure cocaine. He noticed the excact same thing.

its the honeymoon period, when its over its over.

Sorry for the very stupid question but SWIM knows nothing of Cocaine production and cultivation but can it be grown and extracted on a small scale in a northern European country under artificial conditions in a similar way weed is grown under Hydrophonics etc?

[epote]

swiy COULD but it probably is not even remotely worth it.

there are "other ways"...

to cultivate coca plant one needs very specific temperature, sun, humidity and other enviromental conditions assuming one CAN find fresh coca seeds (they die very fast are not legal). And even then you cant be sure if it does have the cocaine alkaloid...

[JaWill88]

swim has done blow for about 4 years. the first couple years were all snorting. the other couple years swim has been taking powder and making base cocaine with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) or more often, intravenously injecting cocaine hydrochloride. swim always gets very good blow and has gone through the same columbians for a long time. they sell cocaine and heroin and when they re up they never buy under a kilogram of each and they do not cut it at all. so swim knows he gets VERY good quality cocaine and herion. anyways, swim used to snort it and got a good high but it faded after a while and all swim felt was a crappy feeling and noticed the comedown more than anything. but making good crack and smoking that gives 1,000 times the euphoria of snorting. but shooting coke gives 1,000 times the euphoria of smoking crack. so there is definately a way to get euphoria, but it's all up to swiy and wether he wants to go that far down the road. swim highly recommends not to, because it is way more addicting then snorting, but like swim said, there is a way to get that euphoria that swiy is seeking.

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Good, honest advice :)

[BrainMelt]

Swim is not down with injecting or smoking crack so thats pretty much out of the question.

Do you guys think if swim went several months without doing any nose candy, and then did some quality stuff that he would get the great high he used to?

[red_LED]

Originally Posted by BrainMelt

Swim is not down with injecting or smoking crack so thats pretty much out of the question.

Do you guys think if swim went several months without doing any nose candy, and then did some quality stuff that he would get the great high he used to?

Why is SWIY against new methods of intake? SWIM Just curious, not to sound attacking or anything... and to answer your question with an opinion, you would not get the high back. SWIM believes in your case, a 12-month or multi-year break might do the trick. And geting back your high may primarily be a psychological effect.

If SWIY hasn't found the same effect revived after a full month, then perhaps your body has attoned to the cola. Everyone is different and feels the white lady in varying levels. SWIM feels immense, head-pounding euphoria whenever he injects. Also feels much cleaner, and much more rewarding for your dollar.

[miami12345]

so this guy joe had an oz of some really good stuff, at first it was amazing coke, but about 3 weeks later, when there was about 1/3 oz left the coke just wasn't as good anymore. It became a bit harsh, lost most smell and just didn't hit as hard. Did it go stale? how can joe make it good again?

[epote]

depending on conditions cocaine decomposes to methyl benzoylecgonine. But that would actually GIVE smell not take it away...

plastic does fuck it up a bit more, sun as well...

probably swiy just is more tolerant of cocaine now though

[Fight Club]

Agreed. Joe can make it good again by taking a month off . . .

FC

[epote]

Do you guys think if swim went several months without doing any nose candy, and then did some quality stuff that he would get the great high he used to?

abstaining for 1-2 months got swim SOME of the euphoria back but sadly non of the novelty, and it quickly leaves again, as in, use now 200-300mg, then again in a week (will be worce) than again in a week (will be even worce) then abstain for 2-3 months and repeat.

Swim tried prety much everything (besides smoking/injecting, thats plain stupid) and he concludes that when the honeymoon period is over its over, nothing can get it back, and thats probably the way it sould be...

Why is SWIY against new methods of intake? SWIM Just curious, not to sound attacking or anything...

its stupidely dangerous, injecting cocaine, that is a cocaine like substance created with NO sanitary conditions in mind, trasported, cut and messed with in a million ways. And even if it was pharmaceutical, injecting cocaine is too physical, to self involved, you go for the rush, not the soscial effects, just sitting around, after the 20th injections, veins all fucked up in a pool of blood hoping in vain to capture that first rush/buzz/train whatever.

crack is prety much the same. Btw have you seen cocaine base crystals forming after being evaporated on a crack pipe? That happens to the lungs too.

imho using cocaine is something that has no "closure" it reinforces the lack of self control, smoking and injecting even more so

[CocaineBlaine]

SWIM had a break from snorting for a month and week, cut open an old straw and got about a bump.

felt as awesome as taking a full line after waiting long.. before the break SWIM developed a pretty good tolerance... so who knows bro!

[JaWill88]

the only thing thats stupid is snorting cocaine. it's like flushing perfectly good blow down the toilet. now why would someone want to do that? and swiy will probably never get that full euphoria/feeling ever again, but a long break will make it a little more noticable when time comes around to do it again.

[moda00]

Everyone has to decide what an acceptable level of risk is for them.. BrainMelt said swiy has tried smoking cocaine once, and it did not have the euphoria either.. so it is fine to say it isn't one's cup of tea, or that it isn't worth the risks of addiction or damaging one's body or brain, but perhaps don't make it sound like all who have done so are stupid or ignorant..?

Not trying to be judgmental or read more into the post than was said, but if one is not down with it because they have tried it, that is different from not being ok with something because they have witnessed it cause harm, or because they have a negative perception of the substance or method without any personal experience or knowledge. She just thinks that some of swiy's post, and other subsequent posts, may be misinterpreted, as people can be very sensitive to perceived judgments and stereotypes (and rightfully so).

It is a very personal choice whether and when and how to use drugs in general or coke (nasal/iv/smoked).. some never try it, some try once or twice and find it's not for them, some use occasionally and are fine with that, and some use daily or weekly- with or without problems or dependence.

In general swim feels that cocaine in any form is a similar concept for her- it makes her fiendish and is not worth it in the end. She used nasally on and off for several years, iv/speedballs for about a year, and a month or two of very dedicated and tweaked crack smokage. Swim found the positives decreased rapidly and were eventually replaced by impulse and trying to recapture the euphoria and rush- she was still somehow trained that cocaine was a good thing and she wanted it, even though she logically knew every single time she did it for some time that she was not enjoying it in any sense of the word. By the end all she had was the nausea, retching and vomiting, nasty drip, and paranoia. She sees others, and herself for some time, are not enjoying it but then feel compelled to keep doing it, really just assisting in their own demise.

Not to be fatalistic, as those who can party with coke in any form and enjoy it and not have problems can do so all they like and may they enjoy every bump, line, shot, and hit. But swim's experience was that after awhile it's just no good. Even after stopping for several months and then indulging again, it was not euphoric, so it does make her think that it is either perception/novelty on some level, and/or that the cocaine affected her brain and body's ability to enjoy in general, or to enjoy cocaine's effects in particular.

And yes, overall, smoking/injecting are more "efficient" and utilize more of the product, as it is better absorbed and requires less to get high initially. But these methods are also (in swim's opinion) easier to become addicted, and possess a much more intense rush -> crash cycle, so it eventually leads to increased drug use and higher tolerance leading to bigger doses anyways. It can be a good way to conserve or make the most of one's stash for some, but for some others it causes the exact opposite problem in the long run.

And as far as the euphoria and positive effects- these faded fast for swim with all three ingestion methods. Sure, once can climb that ladder of (oral if applicable to substance, to) snorting/intranasal, to smoking to injecting (im and/or iv), one may be able to use less product and/or feel a bigger initial "rush/come-up" but the euphoria and feeling amazing and wonderful diminishes no matter which form of this chemical or mode of ingestion is used. Like stated by epote, much of it may be the novelty. That's how swim explains a lot of the "loss of magic" she and many others have associated with ecstasy use.

But she recently came across two different articles that may be useful in understanding this. One discusses depression in cocaine users and dependents and proposes that cocaine use may actually make changes in the brain which inhibit one's ability to feel natural or chemically induced pleasure or well being. Will dig it up and edit the link in.

Another one is in the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs paper copy and swim does not have a scanner, she glanced at it but hasn't read it through in its entirety yet, but it really stood out to her and she will delve into it further and edit this with a summary of the article and study. It was called "Use of Crack: Beyond the Stereotype" or something like that.

People have these stereotypes of injection drug users or "crack heads" that are often rooted in government propoganda, negative effects of prohibition rather than drugs themselves, and certainly racial and class difference- why do you think the sentencing for cocaine and crack are so incompatible in the U.S.? They are the same chemical ingredient, but one is associated with minorities and poverty and such, so is naturally a worse offense *sarcasm* While swim fully believes that iv cocaine and smoking crack (as well as snorted cocaine as well) can cause addiction/compulsive behavior and use, and can also lead to health problems and social problems. But she doesn't think that any one drug or mode of ingestion need be blatantly stereotyped and judged- it is a very personal decision.

edit: also swim thinks it is a very good point stated by epote, that cocaine as substance tends to have very little "closure" in that it is never satisfying for long, and that can reinforce lack of self control (not as a moral issue, but more as a chemical trait of the drug itself due to both its addictive properties and the duration of high, etc.) Of course any mode of ingestion which 1) Works faster, giving a rush, and 2) Has a higher bioavailability, giving stronger effects from smaller doses, will be more reinforcing and therefore higher addiction or dependence potential, in swim's opinion- not just with cocaine.. Again, just because swim's love affair with coke went stale and destructive doesn't mean everyone's will.. but it does seem a common theme, and perhaps if one realizes that the fun/euphoria is diminishing or gone altogether and yet one keeps doing it, it may be a sign that things are headed in a bad direction.

[Benga]

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[sashamotto]

A theory: It may be highly cut with other stimulants mimicking the non-euphoric effects of coke but not giving SWIY the full euphoria.

[beena]

Originally Posted by BrainMelt

Swim had done yayo about 60 times over the past 3 1/2 years. The first 5(yes only 5) times or so, he felt that amazing euphoria and being on top of the world feeling that cola is supposed to give. After that it just stopped happening. Swim only gets a very mild mood lift and overall very restless feeling. This is with good quality stuff too. Swim uses it about once a month so there is plenty of time for dopamine levels to get back to normal. What could cause this lack of positive effects swim used to get the first few times? Any advice on how to get those lovely effects again?

Is SWIY sure he's only using once a month?? Has this always been SWIY's routine or did he used to use more often?? SWIM asks because if he'd only ever used on a monthly basis SWIM would imagine he'd still be able to get the intended effect (well, more or less): the first few (handful) of times are obviously the best (don't know as much about powder but crack-users are always 'chasing their first pipe'). It'll never be exactly the same again. SWIM has been using (crack) for about eight years (heavy use). Not long ago she took a break for two or three months. When she did have a pipe she was expecting a pretty good buzz but found that it was almost like she'd never been away (or put down the pipe should i say).
Unfortunately there isn't that much SWIY can do....Are you sure the quality of the coke is as good as you say? It might be different with crack but sometimes SWIM finds she gets an improved effect when she has different gear (eg by changing dealers occasionally). SWIM doesn't think the quality is any better cos after a little while she'll get used to that dealers gear and the effect isn't as strong so she'll switch back to her original dealer and find that his gear now seems stronger (and so on). This is worth doing too as it keeps the dealers on their toes (if they think they've got competition they'll treat SWIY with a bit more respect) - nothings worse than a cocky dealer!
The only other thing SWIM can think of is (if you don't already) have a few drinks before having a line of coke. SWIM shouldn't advocate mixing drinks (i'm sure you're all aware of the dangers by now though)....as long as SWIY is careful with it a couple of alcoholic beverages before a line of coke will give you a more euphoric experience.....(probably).

[DryIce]

Curious, if it's losing its novelty... why keep doing it? Unless of course, youre addicted.

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim was a cocaine dealer for a few years. He was frequently around pure cocaine, and from different sources. Only a very few times did he have TRULY euphoric cocaine. It was amazing, and like nothing else. It was on par with a very high dose of a euphoric opiate. Swim believes euphoria in cocaine is really based upon individual manufacturing processes. Swim knows it was all pure because he used LeJunks and other methods to purify.

Keep in mind swim was NEVER an addict, and NEVER had tolerance, and rarely used. He hated cocaine very much, and only did it to ascertain value. His euphoria was based upon the coke, and not his usage.

Swim could get pure cocaine that was extremely stimulating and somewhat euphoric, but the best coke ever with somewhat stimulating with pure bliss euphoria, that older, 70's and 80's dealers talked about.

Cocaine is truly a drug that is past it's time, as everything is so cut and dishonest today. Also, cocaine is a very confusing drug