Question: no effects from amanita

[Ryu]

A FOAF recently dropped 25g of dried A.muscaria + 1g 10x A.Muscaria Extarct obtained from a HIGHLY reputable vendor

This FOAF felt no evident signs of viuals, nausea or anything else..

So a possible natural immunity?, high tolerance for psychoactives? or possibly the sample was not valid?

Anyone have any ideas or know similar expreinces?

[Shampoo]

Is your friend a nicotine addict (cigarette smoker/tobacco chewer)? Ibotenic acid acts through nicotinic receptors, and with regular down-regulation, they could have trouble with the uptake of Ibo. Acid. Amanitas have been largely used as dream enhancers and intoxicants in combination with exhaustion and physical exertion. Alone, they have been widely disregarded by many seeking a 'slap-in-the-face' psychedelic experience, but valued by some seeking a more subtle intoxication.

[I<3Salvia]

Originally Posted by Shampoo

Alone, they have been widely disregarded by many seeking a 'slap-in-the-face' psychedelic experience, but valued by some seeking a more subtle intoxication.

Shampoo no disrespect, but these things are not subtle. Another main problem besides what Shampoo mentioned is the unconsistent affects produced by Amanitas. The last that isn't really spoken of as much is that some research has shown that westerners for some reason seem to react less to Amanita's than people from the eastern hemisphere (the Hindus for example, who used amanitas supposedly in their drink Soma "the drink of the gods").

Swim took a half an ounce the first day mixed with 2 peanut butter sandwiches, no effect.

Second day swim took the other half ounce boiled as a tea for 8 minutes, and drank 2.5 cups of liquid. Right after this he immediately, and I mean immediately went to bed and passed out. He found himself having a very intense dream which lasted for a while, until he woke up a few hours later.

This was with poor quality mushrooms, as swim knows because of his supplier. Higher quality mushrooms, swim is sure will produce much better results. There are different states produced by ingesting these mushrooms, from just becoming sick to an intense euphoria like no other felt before. Telepathy has been reported in some cases to those on the mushrooms. A feeling of extreme power and strenth is another one. Just keep trying man swim is sure you'll figure something out.

[Ryu]

Interesting, SWIM has never been a smoker, SWIM did however consumer various other herbs in the days previous, notably dagga,saliva, calea z, alcholol, tramdol, and codeine hydro + a very nice cactus 2 days before.

Perhaps this contributed to the lack of uptake of ibotenic/muscimol

[cosmicruler]

SWIM has read that potency of A. Muscaria (Fly Agaric) varies alot, and if said mushroom wasnt picked at the right time would be weak or no feeling at all.
But if picked at the right time, while mshroom is still thriving levels of Ibotenic acid will be much greater and mushroom will have much greater effect.....
SWIM is sure there must be other factors to take into account as well, probably the cooking would pay a vital role 1 would imagine as well...

[nate81]

there seems to be a lot of mystery about potency. some reports list 6 grams dried amanitas as plenty, most mentions of the extracts have been very poor in results. I don't know. I still think there are enough reports to validate these mushrooms as effective. too bad they aren't easy to come by in nature here in missouri.
muscimol is the active ingredient in dried amanitas. ibotenic acid always needs to be first converted to muscimol (through drying) before use. drying is important because ibotenic acid is a powerful neurotoxin until converted into muscimol. and muscimol does not work through nicotinic receptors but through GABA receptors.
http://www.muscimol.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscimol

http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:199432

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

sucks that it didn't work for your friend

[kryptik]

swim has had similar experiences. swim once ate 14 grams and no efx happened, just a full stomach. swim then ate the other remaining 14 grams, and still nothing cept a fuller stomach, and some tingling, but not for long...

swim had high grade shrooms too... swim still has some high grade shrooms left, but knows if she just eats them nothing will happen... swim is going to drink as a tea one day, maybe before bed...

[kalininin]

swim understands that if swiy [say] plucks 5 amanitas from one spot, it will be that 1 is very potent n the others anything from average to zero-potent. no swiy cant see that from the outside oc. so the problem will be solved by combining [say] 30 amas from 12 spots, chopping them up well [dried or fresh], mixing this well, making some 6 portions out of this, where each portion thus has just as much good material as weaker material as the other portion.
one portion should make a trip possible in the ''full amanita spectrum''.
on the ''extracts'': swim really dont understand how the makers can make a no-effect extract, cuz these will be made typically of lots of ama's, so there should be average [-to good] trip level in there. incompetence springs to mind. all the hemisphere- n season-stuff is b....ocks.
[oc the first portion must be tested carefully, cuz overdosing is possible. after that:u know what to expect].
oh yeah. if swiy'd taken ''dagga,saliva, calea z, alcholol, tramdol, and codeine hydro + a very nice cactus '' in the 2 days before, its a bit unfair to expect the amanita to counter the aftereffects of these and to get swim hi as a kite.
swims advice'd be to stay more or less sober for some days and then amanita-time or to keep taking the above on ama-day.

[Matches]

I don't understand why these have been such a wildcard when I've smoked them. I basically hope they have their sheer calming effect, which happens about a third of the time I smoke them.

I use the same drying techniques and mash them up in a fervor using my weed grinder. They've been of the same batches, grade A+ through B-, and not having any discernible differences. It's always been the cap -- And when they have had their pure calming effect it's wonderful, but I have no frickin' clue as to why this happens only sometimes. Fly amanitas can have their effect in-between smoking dry spells or during times when I've been holding the pipe for hours and switch up the substance.

I truly don't understand what is causing them to work, psychotropically, at such seemingly weird intervals.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim is a relatively heavy smoker but has wanted to experience amanita muscaria.Would swim just be wasting his time and money?

[kryptik]

swim thinks it would be a waste of swiy's time and more so money. though swim hears the way to do these is by making a tea.. swim hasn't done this yet...

[Matches]

Yep. If you're not going to orally ingest them, then there is no reason for you to spend that much $ on some higher-graded fly amanitas, when you're just going to crush them up and aerosolize them as is. Just handpick the gills and spots if you stumble across an undeniably affordable batch that you intend to smoke, but otherwise, save your moneys. Most online sales are too expensive, imho, for such common backyard mycology.

Smoke'm at nighttime if you find affordable ones.

[kryptik]

what's the efx on swim, if swim drinks them as a tea before bedtime? is it more of a downer dream enhancing herb, or an upper? is it like calea? swim hasn't done calea yet, but is real interested in it as a tea.

swim also told a tea could be made from MG seeds... swim finds this interesting

[Matches]

Definitely enhances sleep and REM dreams. Usually with melatonin = win, that is if they have their damn effect from smoking. If not, you get big old cloud of weird sm elling marshmallow smoke -- Life could be worse, though.

[kalininin]

Originally Posted by kryptik

what's the efx on swim, if swim drinks them as a tea before bedtime? is it more of a downer dream enhancing herb, or an upper? is it like calea? swim hasn't done calea yet, but is real interested in it as a tea.

swim also told a tea could be made from MG seeds... swim finds this interesting

as swim said in some other ama-thread, swiy has to establish the power of the ama-supply: get hold of a 'large' batch of em ,say 100 grams dried, [swim found some f...ers last autumn that weighed more than a quarter of a kilo, dried 50 gr apiece] n make very small with scissors or something n mix all swiy has very well. then distribute in same-sized portions n establish strenght. take a 'safe' [or very safe] part of one portion and eat. if after some 1.5 hrs absolutely nothing happen, eat double amount n so forth.
most likely to happen first are side efx, such as nausea n anxiety.
no fx without side-fx with these guys.

[kalininin]

oh, yeah, the fx are such that when swiy feels em, there's no sleeping possible.