Drug info - 2-methylamino-1-phenyl-butan-1-one

[Allan]

SWIM got my eye on this substance but having big troubles finding information about it.
Swim searched and couldn´t find anything about in on the forum.

Anyone got information about it?.


IUPAC: 2-methylamino-1-phenyl-butan-1-one

Only thing SWIM know about it.

[radiometer]

Ethcathinone.

[Paracelsus]

^^ Methcathinone is 2-methylamino-1-phenylpropan-1-one. The compound in the title is its alpha-ethyl homologue.

[radiometer]

^ Noticed and corrected just as you were posting. Thanks, though!

[Paracelsus]

Ethcathinone is N-ethyl-Cathinone. 2-methylamino-1-phenylbutan-1-one is an isomer but not identical to ethcathinone (the difference between this compound and ethcathinone is the difference between AMT and N-methyltryptamine).

I'm already feeling sorry for the original poster LOL

[radiometer]

Thanks for clarifying that, I did indeed believe incorrectly that the first syllable of these trivial names referred to the alpha substituent. Now that I consider the nomenclature more carefully, my error becomes obvious. Such mistakes happen when a trombone player tries to play chemist.

[Allan]

Originally Posted by Paracelsus

Ethcathinone is N-ethyl-Cathinone. 2-methylamino-1-phenylbutan-1-one is an isomer but not identical to ethcathinone (the difference between this compound and ethcathinone is the difference between AMT and N-methyltryptamine).

I'm already feeling sorry for the original poster LOL

mhm .
Any possible chemical term for it?.

This makes it legal or not?(ethcathinone is illegal in my country), since its not the same substance but almost identical.
Im abit confused.

[Paracelsus]

ethcathinone is illegal in my country

Many (all?) drug laws automatically include the salts, ethers, esters, and isomers of scheduled substances in the schedule. Since this compound (bk-PBA?) is an isomer of ethcathinone, that would make it illegal as well.

[Zaprenz]

Originally Posted by Paracelsus

Many (all?) drug laws automatically include the salts, ethers, esters, and isomers of scheduled substances in the schedule. Since this compound (bk-PBA?) is an isomer of ethcathinone, that would make it illegal as well.

Do they generally state isomers?

SWIM thought it was stereoisomers (this is only from vague recall so accepts this could be a very wrong assumption/memory)

[Not referring to analogue law as yep would definately be caught by that]

[syntelman]

Yes, this is simply the 4-carbon/butanone homolog of methcathinone.
I am not 100% sure on the the rules regarding structural isomerism, but I am very doubtful that this would constitute an isomer of N-ethyl-cathinone.

Other than that, this is a compound that haven't been available to the general public hence not much information is out there. It was discussed at The Hive when it was alive, but not much details were posted other than it was considered to be quite nice and euphoric (for those that like the cathinones).

[Paracelsus]

Do they generally state isomers?

They do, at least where I checked (Romania). And it's not just stereoisomers.

Two compounds are isomers if they share the same chemical formula (the same numbers & types of atoms, arranged differently). That makes bk-PBA an isomer of ethcathinone.

[syntelman]

That is a weird law, if any structural isomer in that broad sense is considered illegal as any compound can have the exact same molecular formula but be two completely different compounds (with or without narcotic/psychoactive properties). This would make chemical research _very_ difficult and I doubt this form of drug legislation is common.

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by syntelman

That is a weird law, if any structural isomer in that broad sense is considered illegal as any compound can have the exact same molecular formula but be two completely different compounds (with or without narcotic/psychoactive properties). This would make chemical research _very_ difficult and I doubt this form of drug legislation is common.

In the US, the DEA recently issued a statement defining isomers, essentially saying any chemical which shares the same empirical formula as an illegal drug is de facto a positional isomer of that drug.

Yes, this is an insane law.

[Alfa]

DEA redefines "positional isomer"

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Thanks for info

[syntelman]

Well, that definition clearly states that for an positional isomer to be regarded as a controlled substance it has to share the same core structure (i.e a phenethylamine or tryptamine) and meet certain regards with it's alteration. In practice this means that 2-methylamino-1-phenyl-butan-1-one most likely is a controlled substance if ethylcathinone is, but other non-related compounds sharing the same molecular formula is not. Still insane laws, but not as insane as it would have been if ALL positional isomers were controlled.

[Zaprenz]

Wonder if there are any well known (and used) compounds (I.e vitamin c - bad example but something equally mundane etc) which shares the same formula with well known PEA's/Tryptamines.

[Paracelsus]

See the law thread linked to above. Progesterone is an isomer of THC (and also has a quite similar back-bone). Same goes for phentermine and methamphetamine (although methamphetamine isn't a "schedule I hallucinogen").

Reputation Comments on this post:

thanks missed that part

[Zaprenz]

Ah yes topic already discussed ^Progesterone is an isomer of THC => very amusing.

Although more worry due to intentional vagueness.