Sublingal Ingestion of Enchanced Salvia Divinorum Leaf (x15)

[JCJC]

If Swim was to keep a wad of 15x leaves under Swim's tounge and chew them occasionally would this work in the same way as chewing fresh leaves?

Swim isn't talking about using a tincture of pure salvanorin A, but instead standardised extract which is usually smoked?

Swim wants a way to experience salvia in a more gentle less "trap-door opening under Swim" way while Swim is meditating/lying in bed.

Swim thanks all and is impressed at how great this site is.

[JCJC]

After Swim's first experiences with Salvia Divinorum, Swim was compelled to experiment further with the substance in a way which might provide a less intense experience, more suited to meditation, than the effect of smoking the leaf.

Swim was aware of the "cud" method of chewing fresh leaves, however was unable to find any and also thought that perhaps it was possible to siblingally ingest enchanced leaf. He thought this might have two advantages, the first being that it is more convenient due to having to ingest less material, and secondly, that the bitter taste of the leaf could be reduced by consuming a smaller amount.

Swim prepared a package of enchanced leaf by cutting up a tea bag, and filling a section of it with the substance, then resealing using thread, (pictures will follow if this method is successful).


Swim will begin the experiment in an hour or so and post in real time on the proceedings. He hopes that this will be helpful to anyone in the same position as himself.


Swim tried chewing a tiny amount of extract to test its consistancy and felt some slight effects. He fears he has underestimated the potency of 15x. Still, like a trooper. He will continue.

The package contains an amount of salvia roughly the size of a British 2p coin when quite flat.


Swim will use the following 6 level scale to document the results of the experiment. Since it is pretty standardised it will keep things relative.

Level 1 - Subtle effects:
Feelings of relaxation and the feeling that something is different but its hard to say exactly what. Some people find this mild effect useful for meditation or even increasing sexual pleasure.

Level 2 - Altered perception:
No visuals at this level, but colors and textures appear more interesting and different. Music apprehension can be increased. Depth perception changes; things seem closer or further than they actually are, but no hallucinations yet. Thinking becomes less logical.

Level 3 - Light visionary state:
Closed eye visuals appear. Commonly they are 2-dimensional patterns, but clear images may also be seen. Open eye visuals are sometimes noted, but they are vague and not confused with reality.

Level 4 - Vivid visionary state:
At this stage vivid open eye images and scenes occur and voices can be heard. If eyes are closed one may experience journeys, time travel, encounters with other beings, worlds, or spirits. This level is a shamanic experience and with your eyes closed you may think what you are seeing is real.

Level 5 - Immaterial existence:
At this level all contact with reality is lost, but consciousness still exists and some thoughts can be made. You become completely immersed in your experience. You may loose your individuality and live someone else's life. Some users report becoming inanimate objects or merging with another being or God. This may be terrifying or extremely enjoyable for the user. A sitter is absolutely necessary because users sometimes try to move without being aware of where they are.

Level 6 - Amnesic effects:
No one has reached this level and been able to recall what he/she experienced. In this deep state a user may clobber around and injure themselves. Since no one can ever remember their experience this level is not desirable.

Originally Posted by x cynic x

Salvia is metabolized way too fast to be taken any other way besides smoking. Maybe Swiy wants to extract some of his Salvinorin A, wash it with acetone, and proceed to dilute a .005 mg sample in a small amount of propylene glycol for IV/IM experimentation. Since this would be a rather enormous pain in the ass, maybe Swiy should just stick to smoking.

Swim regrets to inform cynic that he is incorrect. Sublingual ingestion of salvia leaf is well documented and does work through chewing the fresh leaves. What swim wants to see is if the same effects can be had through enchanced leaf.


23:00 - Placed package of salvia under swim's tounge, after getting it wet with saliva. Taste is not pleasant but not in anyway unbearable. Just slightly bitter.

Swim forgot to add that prior to putting it in his mouth he rinsed his mouth out well with colgate mouthwash.

23:05 - Taste is getting worse as more saliva is generated.

Slight prickly feeling on swims scalp. Slightly off baseline. Possible somewhere in level 1 or "S".

Swim way have to spit out some saliva as mouth feels very full. He will hold it in as long as bearable.

23:10 - Something is definately happening. Swim finds it hard to say what, but patterns and shapes are becoming quite interesting and might seem to pulsate. Although this may be placebo. Definately off baseline now. Clearly in stage one or A.

23:15 - Definately in level 2 but not profoundly. Certain objects such as the lamp light on the wall seem extrmely flat and two dimensional.

Going to make a second package and transfer a new one for the current one.

23:20 - Nothing to report.

23:25 - Removed old package and put new, slightly larger one into mouth.

23:40 - Chewing the package harder seems to bring slightly stronger effects. Slight movement in complex patterns. Nothing profound.

23:45 - Swim spat out second package. No substatial effects.


Conclusion:

Ingestion of approx 0.5g of 10x extract enchanced salvia divinorum leaf (from a reliable source, Swim previously smoked extract from the same supply and experienced very strong effects) induced only mild effects amounting to a slight pulsating of complex patterns and a slight prickling of the scalp.

Hopefully this experiment will be of some use by letting others know that it is not worth repeating!

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[x cynic x]

Salvia is metabolized way too fast to be taken any other way besides smoking. Maybe Swiy wants to extract some of his Salvinorin A and proceed to dilute a .005 mg sample in a small amount of propylene glycol for IV/IM experimentation. Since this would be a rather enormous pain in the ass, maybe Swiy should just stick to smoking.

[Salvinorin A]

Originally Posted by x cynic x

Salvia is metabolized way too fast to be taken any other way besides smoking. Maybe Swiy wants to extract some of his Salvinorin A, wash it with acetone, and proceed to dilute a .005 mg sample in a small amount of propylene glycol for IV/IM experimentation. Since this would be a rather enormous pain in the ass, maybe Swiy should just stick to smoking.

First of all, there are hundreds of reports about the quid method that can produce effects (and for people really sensitive, just as strong as smoking). It never really worked for SWIM (but SWIM is a hardhead of sorts).

Second of all.

Washing salvinorin A with acetone??? that makes no sense. Sal-A is highly soluble in acetone. Acetone is used to extract it out of the leaf....there's almost no way to wash it with acetone (at least without destroying the Sal-A itself).


Thanks for the trip report. SWIM is glad to see that sublingual use of extracts is just as potent as leaves (SWIM has seen reports speaking otherwise, which never made any sense to him).

EDIT: BTW, that tea bag idea is good one. SWIM always had nasty cut up dried leaf (it was incredibly disgusting). Thanks for the tip.

Sal-A

[Bajeda]

Please don't do real-time trip reports as they make for a cluttered and hard to read thread. Editing the same post to update the information could work, but I think it would be easier to just write your thoughts / observations on a piece of paper and then transcribe them or paraphrase them on the site, like this report for example.

I merged all your posts together for better accessibility and took out the commercial link you included in one of them (I assumed it was an honest mistake). Thanks for the report.

[JCJC]

Thanks that is much neater. I can't figure out how to edit my posts. The option is probably right there in front of me but I can't seem to find it.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by JCJC

Thanks that is much neater. I can't figure out how to edit my posts. The option is probably right there in front of me but I can't seem to find it.

A user can't edit his or her own posts until they are no longer of "newbie" status unfortunately. One's status will be changed by higher powers when one's posts are judged to be of a relevant and quality nature to the topics discussed in the thread.

[Salvinorin A]

Theoretically, it should still work (if not, better)....it will just be pretty disgusting. Tincture is also an option, but that's if swiy can get over the burning (for a lot of people, it can get pretty unbearable).

Sal-A