Social Drugs Vs. Solitary Drugs

[chemical brother]

Which drugs do your SWIMs feel are the best drugs for being around a bigger group of people and the best for being alone or with a couple chill homies

HAL 9000 wrote me an email saying

"I have analyzed Adderall, coke, e, alcohol, prescription opiates and benzos, shrooms, and copious amounts of cannabis. Of these adderall, coke, alcohol, and e are the best for parties and other larger social situations, while opiates, shrooms, and benzos are better for a more low-key situation. And of course cannabis transcends all classifications "

Any disagreements or additions to this computer analyzed statement?
What would be the best drug for when completely alone?

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Good question. Now open the pod bay doors HAL.

[SuprSonik]

SWIM believes most of those substances can be good in all cases. SWIM says the exception would be E (MDMA), which should definitely be used around people. Stimulants generally go better for small parties/groups with no more than 3 or 4 friends, as it's fun to go do things. More than 3 or 4 people can make it hard to do much together in some cases, though.

SWIM thinks that it is really dose dependent with many of those drugs. Adderall is great when used in lower doses alone to study, but fun with people at higher, more euphoric doses. Alcohol can be great at lower doses to relax around people, or at moderate doses to relieve anxiety and help sleep, or at high doses to get drunk and have a good time with some friends.

Opioids would probably be more enjoyable alone than with a group of people, but with just 2, maybe 3 people, they can be even more comforting and euphoric. Benzos are extremely useful in lower doses for relieving anxiety in daily life, and also to help sleep at higher doses. Shrooms (also LSD and DXM) are a fun time at lower doses with a few good friends, yet you can always find something interesting to do even alone. Higher doses are probably best kept to yourself or maybe in the comfort of 1 other person.

SWIM thinks the best drug to do when alone would be a powerful opioid, although using them every time you're alone would be a bad habit to have. Maybe an opioid at night, and a psychedelic during the day.

[psyche]

While SWIM thinks this kind of classification is very hard to do, because there isn't very major consensus on any substances as to whether it suits better taken alone or among people. And even when one thinks for himself, he can find it very difficult to choose, because the reasons one would choose to take them in group or alone are so different that they are hard to weigh against each other, not to talk about how different doses of the same drug result in effects like two different drugs.

That being said, if SWIM would had to do the list of preferences, he would've done it pretty much like SWIY did. Only difference is that SWIM would definately take benzos with other people and strangers.

[chemical brother]

SWIM has about 5 .5mg clonazepam and maybe 2 or 3 percocets and he is wondering whether to take them all for himself or get a chill friend to share.
is the lesser high worth it for the companionship? what should I do that could be fun on those if all alone?

[Coconut]

SWIM believes alcohol is a good social drug. Others, such as cannabis and psychedelics, are best experienced alone.

[old hippie 56]

Since swim quit partying years ago, all of his substances are done in solitary with the exception of sharing a bowl with friends.

[Mr. Giraffe]

My cat would like to add that the social aspect of cannabis largely depends on what you're having. Heavily sativa = empathetic, conversational, stimulating; heavily indica = dead to the outside world, floating around inside your own head.

[angela20377]

oddly enough, cocaine has always been a solitary drug for swim. in the past she has only used it for when she is craving an upper and speed etc. is unavailable, but coke has always made her want to be alone and quite irritable
come to think of it...swim isnt sure why she ever did cocaine as it wasn't very pleasureable (sp?) for her
adderall and other various forms of speed are good in both solitary and social situations, depending on what swiy is wanting to achieve from the high (productivity or pleasure etc.)
cannabis could really go either way for swim, she enjoys a good bowl by herself before bed or sitting around with friends

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by chemical brother

"I have analyzed Adderall, coke, e, alcohol, prescription opiates and benzos, shrooms, and copious amounts of cannabis. Of these adderall, coke, alcohol, and e are the best for parties and other larger social situations, while opiates, shrooms, and benzos are better for a more low-key situation. And of course cannabis transcends all classifications "

Any disagreements or additions to this computer analyzed statement?
What would be the best drug for when completely alone?

I think that sums it up reasonably well.

I guess the ideal party drug is the one most people are using at any given party. Ecstasy or alcohol can both be great social lubricants. Even a full-blown cannabis party can work. Often, being extremely stoned at a largely alcohol-fuelled session can make one feel a little out of place. If everyone's stoned however, they'll fit right in. Like for like I suppose.

Drugs like opiates and shrooms are probably best left for smaller groups however. To be honest, opiate sessions probably need no more than two partcipants top. Opiates are not socially acceptable therefore it's difficult to arrange an opiate party unless one happens to have a very unique group.

[SuprSonik]

Originally Posted by chemical brother

SWIM has about 5 .5mg clonazepam and maybe 2 or 3 percocets and he is wondering whether to take them all for himself or get a chill friend to share.
is the lesser high worth it for the companionship? what should I do that could be fun on those if all alone?

How much oxycodone is in the percs that SWIY has? If SWIY and his friend have no opioid tolerance, 10 or 15mg with .5mg clonazepam would probably be pretty enjoyable with a close friend. SWIM wouldn't go much higher with the clonazepam, otherwise the sedation might be too overwhelming for hanging out with a friend.

If SWIY only has 10 or 15mg oxycodone total however, you're probably best to keep it all to yourself. It won't really matter what you do when you're alone or with people, you'll have a great time anyway. Just listen to music or watch a movie; even resting in bed will be enjoyable. That's SWIM's opinion, anyway.

[chemical brother]

SWIM decided to do it alone because he didn't have much percocet, but he only did about 1.5 mg of clonies. SWIM was also thinking of using LSD or DXM for a big outdoor concert festival but has no experience with either. Are they both good for music and people?

[SuprSonik]

Originally Posted by chemical brother

SWIM decided to do it alone because he didn't have much percocet, but he only did about 1.5 mg of clonies. SWIM was also thinking of using LSD or DXM for a big outdoor concert festival but has no experience with either. Are they both good for music and people?

If it's someone's first time, it's probably best to avoid something as intense as a concert. But if you do decide to do it, keep the dosage low. 1 tab (50-100ug) of LSD or 240mg DXM would be the limit, SWIM thinks. A low dose of DXM would probably be more suitable than LSD simply because it's not as powerful. But to answer your question, both are great with music, but can be weird with people unless they're all on something too. SWIM thinks it would be a very good idea to try them before using them at a situation like that.

[RaverHippie]

SWIM would have to fervently say that all psychedelics he has encountered thus far are amazing when with a group of people that are on the same or other psychedelic drugs.

[Powder_Reality]

It all depends on many different factors, including (but not limited to) set/setting, dosage, the individual, etc.

When it comes to mushroom, SWIM prefers tripping by himself over tripping around other people. He enjoys being able to focus on his trip without any distractions. However, he also enjoys sharing the trip with the company of a close friend and co-tripper. Being around people he didn't know while tripping was a definite no-no.

On the other hand, MDMA has always been a social thing for SWIM. He has never rolled by himself and couldn't imagine ever doing so. Whether it be close friends, casual acquaintances, complete strangers, or just some person who's willing to listen to arbitrary E chatter, SWIM just plain prefers being around other people while under the influence of MDMA.

As far as cannabis consumption, SWIM prefers toking alone (contrary to most people's preferences). He used to solely enojy smoking with friends when he was younger, but these days he prefers smoking a bowl late at night by himself (mostly out of boredom), relaxing, and watching a movie before passing out. Of course, SWIM tends to quit and start smoking cannabis pretty regularly (on a weed sober streak at the moment), and I guess he'll see whether or not he feels like being a social toker or solitary toker the next time around.

Assorted depressants such as benzos, alcohol, opiates, etc. are kind of a toss up. SWIM enjoys the anxiety-killing effects of such drugs (which can be great when going out), but also enjoys relaxing at home by himself after a long day with a couple beers and/or benzos to aid the process.

Ketamine appears to be a very dosage-related drug. SWIM has never done ketamine while around other people, but could see it being fun at a low dose in the right environment (rave, club, etc). However, it can probably be agreed upon that large doses of ketamine are best left for solitary confinement. SWIM can't imagine that he would have much fun being at a party surrounded by bellowing drunk people while floating through K-space.

As far as stimulants go, SWIM enjoys being around other people.

I could go on, but I think I'll just leave it at that. As you can see, the preference varies from person to person and is dependent on a number of different circumstances.

[sweetsugar]

Originally Posted by c0c0nut

and psychedelics, are best experienced alone.

Swim would need someone just incase it were a 'bad trip' and feels much more comfortable when in company of others when dabbaling in psychedelics, i guess its down to the individual with which drug is comfortable taking alone and which are socially accepted!
Swim only smokes weed when alone, always likes to experience drug taking & drinking when with company(except when dropping a few benzo's when one cant sleep & HAS to get up early) and i guess it depends on the company as to which drug will be taken... makes sence?

[psyche]

Psychedelics are definately more valued by SWIM in solitude. He prefers being alone and able to concentrate entirely on his own world, exploring the vaults of his mind and the miracle of perception and awareness generated by complex system of relations of physical world. He has also tripped with his brother several times, but usually they spent the most intense part inside their own heads. He has tripped once with a couple of close friends, but he had tolerance and only ate 30g fresh mexicana. The effects were felt, but nothing like his friend who had 5 hours of flying 3d-objects in front of his eyes. SWIM will be tripping with his friends sometime soon he thinks.

[Britannia]

SWIM definitely agrees that marijuana is a good social drug, as is alcohol, and occasionally cocaine (depends on the situation, though)...

SWIM doesn't have much experience with drugs outside of those listed above, but SWIM does cocaine alone just about every day.

[moda00]

Swim feels marijuana is wonderful in most contexts- alone ia always fun, small group situations take an entirely new direction when weed is thrown in the mix, and large groups are good if everyone is smoking as a good way to socialize and meet people- but swim agrees if one is the only stoner among drunks it is a bit obnoxious and confusing.

With opiates, swim agrees with Nature Boy that in large group settings, it is difficult to openly use opies. Swim's used heroin or oxys with groups of up to three or four, and that was fine in the sense that everyone was getting high and on the same wavelength, but honestly not that great anyways. And swim's first time shooting up, she was picked up from her best friend's house/party, drove around the block and shot up, and was deposited on her friend's doorstep two minutes later. She stumbled in and sat on the couch and couldn't move for like an hour, nor did she want to. Way too intense for a party- especially when everyone thinks heroin is bad (but all other drugs are good, don't ask me) and one has to hide their needle marks and/or pinned eyes and/or scratchiness.. no good at all. Swim thinks that both the social unacceptability and the sedating and dreamy nature of the opioid family make it best suited for alone time.. However, the habit of using opies alone, once one crosses that line, could lead to excessive use among some, so proceed with caution. And OD prevention often relies on having someone available to administer naloxone and/or call the paramedics, so perhaps best to use in a small group and then go home and chill with your high..

Swim has used lsd alone, in small (2-3) pairs/groups of very close long time friends, and once in a group of five- swim, one close friend, one long time acquaintance/casual friend, and two people she met that night. It was actually a really fun trip for swim but there was a strange tension underlying all the interaction between the two guys she didn't know (they too had just met that night) and also a bit of sexual tension in the co-ed group. Swim has also used mushrooms alone and with others, mainly with others, but feels alone could also be great now (her first and only "bad trip" was her first time tripping alone, and she hasn't done mush alone since.. not a conscious choice, but hasn't happened. But she has tripped plenty more times with close friends, and alone on other psychedelics, so she is looking forward to exploring that again in a well planned setting (ie. when the snow melts) as swim recently came across some boomies for the first time in awhile and decided she best stock up in preparation for springtime

Salvia, she thinks a sitter is important, but NOT a person who will mess with you, or a group of people who will be talking/laughing/interfering (as in those stupid youtube videos.. how not to do salvia, although those crazy kids don't seem to care)

Benzos can go either way.. swim used to use benzos with groups (well, she used benzos, sometimes one or two others, not usually the whole group) but in those days everyone was drinking alcohol and/or smoking bud and then "to each their own" above and beyond that (benzos, opies, coke, etc.), so it was quite a hodgepodge of intoxication although none but the weed and alkie were deliberately or verbally acknowledged in the big group setting- there were kind of subgroups that did their own thing, drug-wise, within the greater group in which everyone smoked and drank together.

[Ikku]

Low doses of psychedelics are great with other people even if no one else is tripping. Higher doses should be reserved for small groups or alone time. Dissociatives also have very little social value at higher doses. Like others have said opiates are definitely a solitary drug. MDMA and alcohol require groups, only somewhat fun alone, but the size of the group does not matter, can be anything from a small gathering to a huge party, as long as there are other people. MDMA is not fun if SWIM is rolling and everyone else is drinking, mainly because unlike cannabis, one who is rolling must abstain from the alcoholic fun.

But cannabis is really a solitary drug, mellowing and demotivating, which really just isn't great for parties. Small groups are sometimes acceptable but really inferior to smoking alone. SWIM definitely disagrees with "of course cannabis transcends all classification" and is kind of bothered with the way a lot of drug users put cannabis on a pedestal like that. He thinks it's just because cannabis is the first drug most people are introduced to and because of that holds a special place in their mind, but tbh it's a really overrated drug.

If anything transcends the social/solitary classification completely it's speed and the like, because such drugs are good for recreation as well as productivity. And cocaine, which although doesn't really do much for SWIM as far as productivity is concerned, is very recreational both socially and alone.

[chemical brother]

Maybe it is just swim then because (in swim's opinion) swim could smoke weed then go to a party, smoke at home by myself, before family dinners, before during and after school, before and after cross-country practice, before and during a concert, of course when watching movies at home or the theatre, right before bed to get a good nights sleep, etc.. I could go on but I think I you understand my opinion of weed

[Tranquil Toad]

SWIM finds cannabis to be a very unsocial drug unless you are smoking with just one or 2 other very close friends. With a larger group or people you don't know, he finds it makes him far too introverted and introspective with no real desire to socialize. Often times people will try to strike up conversations with him while hes baked, and all he can really think of are one word answers (yeah, thats cool, ect.) However if its with someone he knows really well, it can fuel some good philosophy.

Psychedelics at high dosages are always more intense/ rewarding alone, but if you are with a good tripping buddy who is at the same level you are, you can both just go off into your own world and not worry too much about the lack of any real conversation. SWIM has found however that LSD goes quite well in a rave/festival setting, even at higher dosages. Being out on the dancefloor on acid can be an amazing experience.

Opiates are one of the few drugs SWIM must do alone. He finds he gets very irritable if anyone disrupts his nod (selfish, I know). He doesn't want to talk or interact with anyone else, just wants to lie down with his eyes closed listening to quite music hehe. It calls to mind a scene from trainspotting where they are all laying around their appartment just before the baby dies, don't remember the exact quote but something to the effect of "no one had said anything for hours, or maybe it was days..."

[chemlove]

Being in big groups of people Tobacco, alcohol, Bud.

In small groups of people Mushrooms, acid, 2ci, psychedelics in general, and blow. SWIM said being in large groups of people on blow makes him really paranoid.

[experimenter]

SWIM doesn't enjoy any drugs by him self.

SWIM has had some of his best psychedelic drug experiences in a bar type setting. He finds watching all the drunks very entertaining. It can be overwhelming if you're not an experienced drug user.
But having just a few select group of friends to enjoy you experience on any drug is always a lot of fun.

[moda00]

Originally Posted by experimenter

SWIM doesn't enjoy any drugs by him self.

SWIM has had some of his best psychedelic drug experiences in a bar type setting. He finds watching all the drunks very entertaining. It can be overwhelming if you're not an experienced drug user.
But having just a few select group of friends to enjoy you experience on any drug is always a lot of fun.

Hmm interesting thoughts. Swim cringes just thinking abot it, and thinks that would be way too intense for her. But on the other hand, she just recalled that one of her earlier psilocybin experiences was at her best friend's house and they threw a house party. Swim and one close friend each took an eighth of some very strong mushrooms. It was probably her most intense mush trip- she was pretty much blasted into another world. She does remember spending much of their time alone (just the two of them) in other parts of the house, but also had some interactions with friends who were drunk in smaller groups- the two trippers and two drinkers went in the hot tub for awhile, and one of swim's drunker friends came into the bathroom and joined the trip for awhile (swim and tripper buddy were in the bathtub, watching the waves change from the center of the boat). So that actually worked out okay. But she thinks being in a public place, or among strangers who are drunk, would not be all tha great. That said, much of it is probably one's comfort zone, sense of humor, and mind state. SwiY probably knows this is something s/he enjoys/can handle and therefore s/he does. Whereas swim cringes just thinking about it; thus, she probably wouldn't enjoy it just because she doesn't believe she would. Not sure if this is just her knowing herself well enough to predict this, or making a judgment beforehand that would likely become a "self-fulfilling prophecy," or a li'l of both, but for now she'll avoid finding out Thanks for sharing..

[JKLJKLJKL]

Ket is good as a sociable drug always makes swim quite active.
Pills are good if swim only does 1 or 2, more than that he will jsut want to mong. same with mdma.
coke is a good sociable drug, well for swim's friends swim doesn't enjoy it.
weed is for one joint, but more than that and it becmes the bes isolated drug.