Dried San Pedro pot pourri

[jose1]

I've been interested in taking a spiritual journey ever since I had a small taste of mescaline my friend had given to me a few years ago.

My interest has peaked even greater since then. In the last year I've read some carlos castaneda's books as well as Huxleys doors of perception. I have also had some vivid dreams that were religous in tone, and I am not religous. These dreams had connections to the afterlife and worlds I know nothing about. I think something is unfolding in front of us and calling me to it. However, if I do not follow up on it I might miss out. So, you can see my excitement. Through my reading I know that certain cacti might be able to get me to a state where I can experience more of these insites.

I no longer know where said friend who supplied me last time is anymore. So, I have been trying to find an on-line source to purchase cacti. I am willing to take the risk. However, on my first attempt I was sent a dried cacti in the form of pot pouri. The company did not make it clear that it was not consumable. All the on line stores seem to say the same ambiguous statement. I know that they probably have to say that to avoid any legal involvement. To someone new it seems frustrating Edited by: Alfa

[nortyrascal]

All of the cacti suppliers send out dried Peruvian Torch or San Pedro
in that (pot pourri) form. It is the dried skin of the cactus.

I cannot understand how you cannot find a supplier of mescaline bearing cactus as they are all over the place.

The San Pedro is actually indiginous to parts of Mexico.

Just type 'san pedro cuttings' into google. It should chuck out quite a few suppliers.

[jose1]

Did not know that was the case. I did do a search and found alot
of places. However, they all sold it in the pot pourri
form. I did not know that it was edible it that form. My
bad!. Thanks.

[nortyrascal]

Hello jose1



It is not your "bad" at all.

There is no problem with asking a question.

IMHO you need to do some research.

Read up on what you want to do.

The 'pot pourri' can be ground and encapasulated or made into a snotty tea.

Its potency depends upon the source.



nortyrascal

[Nitrate]

The 'pot pourri" is not a waste. It may not be as easy to
prepare. Find insturctions to extract the mescalin from it.
It may save your stomach but be more wrok, & less natural.



San Pedro and Peruvian Tourch are not illegal in most countries.
the arguably more potent mescal buttons that come from the cactus that
grows in the southern USA usually requires permits. I got my San
Pedro at a garden shop next to the lemon basil! it was 15$ for a
foot long, healthy, living, rooted sucker. Some southern states
use san pedro as a staple cactus.

[Dr_H]

Take your pot pouri (about 100 grams dried if san pedro) and put in a large pot with about twice the amount of water. Boil for about an hour to hour and a half, strain, save liquid and repeat. Do this untill the mush nolonger tastes bitter. Combine the liquids and boil down to a cup or two. It is really nasty tasting but consider it a test to see if you are worthy or not! I have found that grapefruit juice is the best chaser. I do not like grapefruit juice but it removes the bitter cactus taste pretty well. 100grams dried is a good starting dose for san pedro, 30-50grams dried if you have peruvian torch and about 20-30 if you have peoyte. I have not weighed the fresh dose of san pedro but in my experience it is about 12-14" lon and 4-5" thick. If you have fresh san pedro, start by cutting it up into smaller pieces put into a blender and then follow directions for dried above. Once the mush is no longer bitter you have all the alkaloids.

[GDxCAT]

i found that the best method for consuming the dried cactus flesh is to grind it up and put it into capsules.

What kind of cactus you have will determine the dosage.

Peruvian torch (trichocereus peruvianus) dosage would be 30-40 grams for ~300-400mg mescaline.

Trichocereus Cuzcoensis would only require about 10-15 grams

T. terschekki dose is the same as peruvianus but the main alkaloid in
terschekki is N-mono methyl mescaline as opposed to the traditional
mescaline.

And the classic San Pedro dose (T. pachanoi) is stated above.

Be sure to know which cactus you have becauser eating 100 grams of peruvianus would be anything but fun.

be safe. have fun.

peace.

[jose1]

I grounded some Peruvuian torch in one of those little electric coffee
grinders. Worked perfectly! The coffee grinder shreds into
a fine powder.

[GDxCAT]

What dose did you take and how was the trip?

[Nitrate]

Rather than putting 100g of crap into 50 capsules (a guess at the number) you could parachute the mess with toilet paper. It would be allot less work and TP is allot easier to find.

[nortyrascal]

I think it is 'horses for courses' as far as how it is taken.

If you are going to take a reasonable dose of mescaline you can expect to be 'altered' for quite a few hours.

Personally speaking I cannot stand cactus snot.

I much prefer to painstakingly pack all of the very fine green dust into the caps.

After that is done I can casually drop them over the next hour or so.

There is nothing wrong with halving your total dose and taking each half an hour or two apart.

I think with the use of the caps and the staggered dose you can have your trip with minimum belly rolls.



FWIW

regards

[Dr_H]

As far as parachuting is concerned. . .100grams is about a 1/4lb and that is a lot to be cramming up your butt. If you want to go that route I think you could do the normal tea way and then use an enema to put in in your butt as a liquid. It would probably be absorbed better as a liquid. If you put it in your butt as a dry powder you are having your ass do the extraction. I imagine if you farted it would be like whistling with a mouth full of crackers!


The pill method works but unless you have one of those pill loaders it is gonna take you hours to stuff that much powder in those caps. If you are lucky you will get about a 1/2 gram per capsule and that is around 200caps for 100grams of cactus (using san pedro). Lots of work but then again nothing tastes quite like cactus tea!

[Nitrate]

Umm, maybe I have a misunderstanding here. I though parachuting
was swallowing something wrapped in TP. Sorry, A 1/4lb
suppositry is a little desparate. Sounds more like a border
smuggleing gone bad.

[nortyrascal]

I don't agree with the recommendation of a 100g dose of Trichocereus pachanoi/peruvanius.

By that I mean the 'pot pourri' as it has been called.

The skin is the most potent part of the plant and contains the majority of the mescaline.

If that is the part of the plant that we are talking about then taking
100g, either in encapasulated or 'snot soup'form is irresponsible.

[Dr_H]

Swim has tried this dosage (100 grams dried san pedro skin)many times and has even doubled it on 3 occasions.


Nortyrascal you say that this is irresponsible but give no explination why. Do you feel that it is a dangerous dose or life threatening? Even 400grams of san pedro skin would not be close to a lethal dose. Please explain the irresponsible part.

[nortyrascal]

I don't mean dangerous in the physical sense.

Sorry, I should have expanded on my statement.

Firstly, we are not dealing with standardised material and the potency can vary enormously.

80g of potent dried cactus skin has the ability to shoot you into a trip with complete disassociation and loss of ego.

All well and good, if that is what you are seeking but probably too much for someone who is experimenting.

The standard advice to start small and work up applies very much to cactus because of the variability.



Regards

nortyrascal

[jose1]

I took about 30 grams of torch. The minute it hit I felt myself
become numb. Felt like I was being sucked into myself.
However, I did not experience anything when I closed my eyes. No
colors or introspection. When It first hit I kind of knew
that I wasn't going to go real deep. This sort of bummed me out.
I was looking forward to an introspective trip. This is the main
reasons I wanted to try it.



I am part of an Native American council, and I have been wanting
to expand on my experiences that are normaly not available to man in
his regular conscious state. I have had dreams where I know for a
fact that I am inside them with full body. I read that cacti
produces the same effect.



My indian brother tells me in order to commune with
other diemensions or the unkown one must be egoless. The
one way to do this is with peyote. Alot of what my indian
brothers belive comes from centuries of experimenting with cacti.



If anyone knows what doseage, which kind of cacti can get me to this state or has had this kind of experience, contact me.

[jose1]

Heavy dosages should probably be worked up to, I agree. </span><br style="font-weight: bold;">






I have just begun experimenting myself, but my native american
brother always warns me of going to far to fast. He jokes about
people who consume alot of cacti at once and are not prepared for
it. But, he has never told me any stories of anyone who has died
from too much at once, just freaked out by it. He always
says they go to places they might not come back from if they are not
prepared. I think he means that some might end up in fright
induced pyschosis from what they see. However, I think that
situation would only crop up in an individual who is destined for tha
state with out the use of mescaline:ie someone who already has mental
illness.



You also loose some of your motor functions when you do high dosages. So, be prepared for that.





I know it sounds like mystical scare tatics handed down to screw
with you, however I do know that Native Americans take the use of
peyote very seriously and have practiced it's use for spiritual
connections for centuries. Over time it's use will change
you, not chemically but mind spiritly. This happens with out much
realization from the person. Read Calos Castaneda's he explains
it pretty well. One day you wake up and your perception of
the world around you has changed. It happens over a long amount
of time.



The idea that mescaline should be treated with respect has been handed
down through generations in the native american community.

[seanferguson]

cuzcoensis IMHO is not worth anybodys money... i may have just eaten it wrong... (just ate the dried flesh) but i felt more poison sans trip than anything.... just imho

[genaro]

if you think the taste is that bad (which I agree) why don't you people extract the cactii just like you would extract LSA seeds.
Boil the finely crushed cacti for 2 hours in drinkable alcohol (white rhum). Filter. Repeat until the mush nolonger tastes bitter as said DR_H
Combine the liquids and evaporate until you have a cup or two and then allow this liquid to evaporate at room temperature in a dark & dry place.
You should get a residue which you would just have to swallow (put into gellcaps or parachute)
I think evaporating to a residue might loose some alcaloids, but I don't think the potency would really suffer from it as this method works very good for LSA seeds so there's no reason for it not to work with cactus.
And the trip should feel just as natural as the whole cactus, but there will probably be much less digestive related nausea (if any)