Experiences - How to change the Salvia Divinorum experience?

[ProphetBaron]

I have recently tried salvia 4 times

1st time with 40x/& some 10X in the same hit, through a waterbong

2nd the same but with a pipe

3rd just pure 40x

last time with some dried leaves & a lot of 10x in the bowl & we turned the lights off

Now this is the same salvia that made one of my friends feel like they were in a building, another feel like they were flying and the whole " Each direction you move you feel like in a different zone ", another one flew and felt like the world was a puzzle, and another went through the ground.

Point is, it's good stuff(at least for everyone else).... Now for my question & experiences. Each time, I forget who I am right after the hit & im messed up and I remember how awkwardly familiar it feels each time I do it. Like it feels like I'm really high + the fact that I don't know who I am & have to remember things like " Oh yah I have legs " ect... and it really only lasts 2 min where I feel dumb and a loss of who I am....with more thoughts of randomness & throwing in some laughter in there. Like when I'm messed up, I have no sence of logic and feel a way in salvia land, it's nothing close any trippy experience, more like if I am with someone, everyone is waiting for a re-action and I'm waiting for something to happen & all I get is remember thinking " Oh yah I feel like this again..." or " Oh back in salvia land where im a stupid **** " lol, I mean sometimes I felt like the room was shaped like a V, but most the time I just think of dumb things like " the chair coming apart " basically my thought process is really awkward and random and it goes with how I feel. Also the smell makes it all even more familiar.

Now my question is... I feel like I get the cruddy side effects out of salvia rather than getting a great experience or a experience at all, my friend mentioned I should maybe try taking a bigger hit than everyone else or smoke more than 1 hit, but I am kinda nervous about that since everything of who I am goes down the drain on salvia.... I wished I knew who I was and I was just on some great visual or trippy journey...but its not that like...

so should I try bigger/more hits or just test around with different strains of salvia or maybe try it outside ( I was thinking I should try one outside and hope for different results)... or should I just give up on salvia since I'd probably get the same results? Any opinions?

[shagra]

swim's experiences are the exact same as yours. swim hopes to find some resolution to these issues as his housemates are avid salvia fans and he would love to trip with them.

[ProphetBaron]

Originally Posted by shagra

swim's experiences are the exact same as yours. swim hopes to find some resolution to these issues as his housemates are avid salvia fans and he would love to trip with them.

Hi shagra someone posted this to my thread on another forums I posted the same thread about and heres what he said:

" Some suggestions.
1. Lay off the 10x-40x. Drop to 5x and plain leaf.
2. Quid method.
3. Tincture.

The methods (Plain leaf, tincture, quid) that ease you into it a bit more may give you time to adjust and change the mood and mentality you're in by the time you get to salvia land, as opposed to just being thrust deep into it.
Repeatedly going in slower may change the final result, so that future uses of strong extracts that put you right in the middle of whatthef_ckworld will change along with it, sort of train you into it.

For example, do one hit of plain leaf, and see where you are.
Let any effect you feel wear off, then go with 2 hits.
You may just feel the onset effects, and may or may not wind up "there" in familiar nothingland.
Let the effects wear off one way or the other.
You can even keep in the zone, by doing a couple full hits, maybe 3-4, or until you forgot you were doing salvia, then as you come back to normality, take another hit or two and see if it takes you back there.
I would expect this can make for a more comforting ease into it, so your mind is more relaxed or takes on a new mood as you are dropped in.

Also, make sure the setting isn't the same. Try slightly different lighting, mild sounds, quiet, outdoors if possible(not in a car please)

edit: one last thing, when going into it slower, try to go in with an EXPECTATION of what you want from it. Literally visualize it best you can. "

So perhaps try some of these methods to help SWIY. SWIM's going to try some plain leaves tonight only and a small amount and work my way up and see how it goes. I'm also glad to know SWIM's not the only one having experiences like these.

Also anymore opinions from members of these forums is much helpful, thank you!

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	that was great information
	Very nicely helped to change perspective

[Salvinorin A]

First of all. Do not self incriminate yourself. Use SWIM (Someone who isn't me) instead of saying you did everything. It's probably legal for you, but not everyone.

Now,

The advice you received is pretty much correct. SWIY should start working SWIY's way up so swiy becomes more acclimated to the effects of salvia, that way it's not so overwhelming. However, keep in mind.....People say that salvia is an ego-killer (like most dissociatives). SWIY will most likely forget who SWIY is during an intense trip....this is normal, and one of the unique experiences with salvia. Sometimes the most beautiful trips occur when one's own human mind is unable to poison it. If SWIY gets an intense enough experience, swiy could lose all sense of humanness completely, as in.....SWIY wouldn't know emotion, fear, life, confusion....or anything....a very mystical experience.

But once again, work swiy's way up. It took swim over a year of crummy experiences (SWIM didn't even get visuals...just a voice condescending to him in a different language). Take SWIY's time, Salvia demands respect....unlike a lot of other drugs.

Good luck,
Sal-A

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Liked sal sharing his monkey's experience, and the suggestion to imagine where swim wants to go.

[podge]

If you lose all sense of self on salvia (like swim) then why would taking a bigger dose help to make the experience more enjoyable ? Salvia is what it is. Dont expect to be able to change it to something else. Stronger dose doesnt translate as more fun dose.

Remember, salvia is a shamanic plant - its not meant for partying.

[RaverHippie]

Also make changes to your setting. That could greatly influence the trip and could possibly bring about unexpected trips.

[Female]

Just a quick tip, try it by yourself, with no music, no sound. Pure quiet. SWIM finds that she gets little to no visuals when she is around people, like she can't focus on the trip just because there are other presences around. Try this, and lower your extracts. The higher extracts (at least for swim) are more of a body load than an actual "experience" like 5x and 10x are for her. Remember to hold the smoke in for a good 20 seconds or more.

Good luck.

[JCJC]

Swim suggests that swiy stops trying to impose a trip on himself. With salvia swiy just has to let go and let Salvia lead the way. Expectations usually just mean that swiy will end up feeling very aggitated, paranoid, and sometimes paniced and paranoid... it sounds like this is swiy's problem.

[Dark_Man_Of_Peace]

When traveling the the Salvia Space many things should be taken into consideration: setting, lighting, audio(noise), current mood, and of course shamanic intent.

[cra$h]

go to the woods, when you can see where you are, walk around. in one spot in the woods you can sit in a different spot and see things completely different. nature doesnt get old.

[Euthanatos93420]

'Enjoyable' was never something Swim thought of as even being relevent to a sally description. Nor was 'unpleasant'. In fact, swim finds it perplexing that people try to derive a 'high' and/or joy from an enthogen that is supposed to deliver a SPIRITUAL experience. If you want a PLEASANT spiritual experience, go smoke some weed or shoot some herion. I hear many have described heroin as pleasant and religious (Including the (in)famed A. Crowley).

Sally is something else entirely. To swim it is a 5 minute journey that fills him with incomprehensible insights and knowledge about the universe that filters into meaningfulness and understanding through epiphanies over the next six months.

If you get a real grip on what sally was intended for you will understand it more. I can only explain it as 'being more open'. Attune your mind to allow for perceptions and ideas one would not normally consider.

'Everything is permitted.' -A.Crowley

Sally turns ones mind inside out and destroys the ego and any sense of real existence. This can seriously scare people who are mentally unprepared. Those who fight this and attempt to retain identity will be in for a frightful experience at worst. At best, you'll just feel stupid. Understand that %90 of the salvia experience takes place unconsciously.

With this in mind perhaps you may be more open to the Qualities of a salvia trip. IDK why swiy wants to smoke with his roomies or his buds. Swim never found sally to be a social entho.

All that said, Swim takes his sally experience to the max with Dex. roughly an upper second plateau with potentiators (GFJ, etc.). Or Mary, Swim has yet to try it with both though he intends to do exactly that next time he trips.

Swim started with 40x and typically uses 50x now. (Change in potency due to sources and quality) Purple Sticky SUCKS and STINKS.