Loss Of MDMA "Magic"

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

Hello!

I've read some about MDMA, and loss of magic on erowid. This is just one person, and not a general statistic, so no conclutions can be drawn from his statement

Note on Using MDMA Many Times:
Most users of MDMA who have taken the drug many times report that after some number of sessions, varying by person from a few to a few dozen, the desirable effects of the drug are no longer as pronounced. Said one, "it loses its magic." Another person who used MDMA perhaps a dozen times (separated by weeks to months) noted the dropoff, waited three years (!), tried an ordinary dose of high-quality MDMA again, and found that the annoyance of the physical side effects outweighed the greatly diminished positive effects. He has sadly given up the drug. Others who have had fifty or more MDMA sessions still find them to be worthwhile on balance.

I would really appriciate SWIY's experiences with MDMA and loss of magic.

e.g. How many times your lab monkey has been fed MDMA, time spaced in between and how was the dosing

there is much variation on info on the subject, and people's (or monkey's ) own experences is really the best info one can get

cheers!

and by the way, do SWIY still feed the monkey once in a while?

Reputation Comments on this post:

you sparked a great discussion. hopefully this will help other people from losing the magic by being careful with how of...

[Jatelka]

SWIJ has never experienced a loss of magic.

She has been taking MDMA for 10 years (or thereabouts). Now she has access to molly, she knows that she takes 100-150mg followed (at 2 to 3 hours) by 75-100mg: NB: Many would find that the anxiety inducing effects of this dosing are significant!

She has (nearly always) spaced the doses at minimum of 4-6 weeks. She has always taken care to "mix-up" the experiences, so one time she's taking it out in a sweaty psy-trance club and the next, she's in a field with the sun coming up, or possibly dancing round the living room to an accompaniment of David Attenborough.

SWIY has to bear in mind that "chasing the high" doesn't work with MDMA. SWIY will never re-achieve that previous state. SWIY has to take each time as it comes, and work with the experience.

She knows people who have taken a year or more off and returned to "the magic": It's not the drugs boys n girls: It's you!

The reason that "pills are crap" these days is that people take far too many of them!

Reputation Comments on this post:

mixing up the experience,. I found that very interesting. thanks for a good answer

[Powder_Reality]

SWIM has done MDMA roughly 10 or 11 times, and his last dose was still just as "magical" as ever. Personally, SWIM thinks that the "magic" might be lost if someone was dosing every weekend, just for the sake of getting high. SWIM thinks that the trick is not to view it as just a cheap high, but a profound experience.

If someone was dropping a plethera of pills every weekend to get high, of course the experience might start to lose the "magic". But if the same person limited his/her use to special occasions, it would most likely retain it's "magic"; at least this is true in SWIM's experience.

SWIM noticed that when he would just drop pills to get high and have fun on the weekend, the experience was not that rewarding. But if SWIM took MDMA during a special event such as a music festival, a birthday, etc. and tried to gain some insight from it, he would usually have a very rewarding experience; something that sticks with him long after the drug wears off.

In SWIM's opinion, it's really all in the way that you look at the substance. If you respect the substance and try to learn something from it, then it will be rewarding. If it's just another beer to get you more intoxicated, then you won't get anything out of it. Of course this is just SWIM's experience, and other people may not have the same reaction/attitude towards the subject as SWIM does.

Reputation Comments on this post:

thanks for a good long answer. interesting thoughts about how to looko upon it

[Nature Boy]

MDMA was never "magic" for SWIM in the first place but did do pills pretty regularly at a stage until he basically got sick of them. Now he will only do MDMA once every few months at the most in order to not to spoil it. I don't believe MDMA is a drug that can be done very regularly without building up some kind of tolerance whether physical or psychological.

[Akewstick]

SWIM has done ecstacy on average just more than once a week for about 6 months, and he has reported absoloutely no loss of magic whatsoever, for him, it's as good as it ever was, and all the people he talks to have had the same thing.

[podge]

swim wouldnt consider losing the magic a tolerance issue.....unless ones takes it every weekend.swim thinks that mdma is a drug best used occasionaly or the effects wont be as "special".swim lost the initial magic after 4 or 5 uses but has rediscovered it at later dates when he waited longer to take it.

[hyperlite]

Originally Posted by WrtngCocaineTutorial

Hello!

I've read some about MDMA, and loss of magic on erowid. This is just one person, and not a general statistic, so no conclutions can be drawn from his statement

Note on Using MDMA Many Times:
Most users of MDMA who have taken the drug many times report that after some number of sessions, varying by person from a few to a few dozen, the desirable effects of the drug are no longer as pronounced. Said one, "it loses its magic." Another person who used MDMA perhaps a dozen times (separated by weeks to months) noted the dropoff, waited three years (!), tried an ordinary dose of high-quality MDMA again, and found that the annoyance of the physical side effects outweighed the greatly diminished positive effects. He has sadly given up the drug. Others who have had fifty or more MDMA sessions still find them to be worthwhile on balance.

I would really appriciate SWIY's experiences with MDMA and loss of magic.

e.g. How many times your lab monkey has been fed MDMA, time spaced in between and how was the dosing

there is much variation on info on the subject, and people's (or monkey's ) own experences is really the best info one can get

cheers!

and by the way, do SWIY still feed the monkey once in a while?

I'm willing to bet that the writer of that report may have quit MDMA, BUT still did other stuff that effects the dopamine, serotonin, etc. systems in the brain and allowing everything to repair itself and get back to homeostasis........

Reputation Comments on this post:

interesting thoughts

[jouni]

Or could it be as simple as crappy pills instead of losing the magic..?
Swim has always had unique experience with "ecstacy".As someone said here;don't chase the high.

[podge]

Originally Posted by jouni

Or could it be as simple as crappy pills instead of losing the magic..?
Swim has always had unique experience with "ecstacy".As someone said here;don't chase the high.

crappy pills are one thing.....but just getting bored of a drugs effects is another thing.and it seems for a lot of people that mdma can get boring very quickly.but if a sufficent break is given between uses then mdma is a beautiful drug according to my monkey.

[Bajeda]

I've posted this comment by swim before, but will quote it here. Swim still hasn't lost the magic.

As Swim has experiment with more than enough drugs over the years, Swim has rules when it comes to MDMA for safety and enjoyment.

1. Try to keep to one pill per roll. Exception is when pill hits and it isn't as strong as it should be, then ingest one more. Be careful it isnt PMA though!!

2. Wait at least 3 weeks between each usage, preferably 4.

3. Try to avoid using cocaine or other drugs that will extend the rush as that will further deplete the seratonin.

By keeping to these guidelines Swim has enjoyed MDMA on numerous occaisions without discomfort or decreased effect.

It is true that the set and setting are part of the magic as well though.

Who you are and why you are taking the substance affects how it effects you. If you are not expecting much you may get less effects than you would normally. If you expect a huge transcendental spirtual awakening of empathy and life then you may feel more effects than people around you. The human brain is an amazing thing, and mind set does wonders to effect how drugs effect you.

Also, another explanation for losing the magic is that the novelty has worn off. It simply doesn't feel new anymore. Just like when you listen to an amazing song for the first time. It sounds so amazing and fresh. If you listen to that song over and over it starts to lose some of its magic, even though its still an amazing song. And eventually you may even start to grow tired of it if you listen to it enough.

The setting in which you take MDMA also plays a great role in the magic. I don't really believe it should be taken at raves often. A few times is nice for the experience, but MDMA is an empathogen, and it works best while interacting with people on numerous levels, not just dancing besides them and hugging strangers and acting like a lovey-dovey idiot. This could also tie in to the novelty factor, as the music sounds simply amazing, but like the "new song" analogy above, the sheer strength of the sensation of listening to the music on E wanes with time, and loses its substance, so part of the magic is gone. If you use E primarily at home with friends and a good sound system its more magical, as you interact more with people and the experience is more multi-faceted and less likely to get old as it is quite different every time.

Finally, there is the possibility of changes in your neurochemistry that make the drug effect you less. Possibly burning out of seratonin receptors or maybe the brain develops a resistance of sorts to the drug, or simply doesn't process it as well. Whatever it possibly could be, this is something to consider, and frequent use of MDMA isn't to be taken lightly.


The quote at the beginning of this post can help you if you feel the magic is fading, though by then it may already be too late. Don't binge with MDMA, don't take it at raves for the hell of it. Treat it with respect. Thats what swim has always done and he still feels the love and sheer power of the substance each time he takes it, though he still can't match the '++++' he got when he first tried it

Just goes to show the power of set and setting in influencing the effects of mind-altering substances.

May the magic never fade....

Reputation Comments on this post:

interesting comparation to a new song. SWIM has had much of the same thoughts, but thought of it like kissing was much m...

[jardo]

SWIM used to be a fairly intense pill popper back in the day when he was an iiresponsible teenager; able to get his hands on pure MDMA from a very reliable source (SWIM never did enjoy the dirty pills) . Once every weekend at the very least, ingesting 2-3 pills a night (sometimes 4+). Some weekends SWIM would binge 3 days straight with very little noticeable decline in effects.

Over the course of several months however, SWIM's "magic" began to decline, as expected. SWIM then smartened up and took a 'long' month or so break before he dosed again, and the effects, while not as intense as the first few times, were back to the strength they once were.

Nowadays, SWIM has much more respect for MDMA, and will only dose once every 6-10 months or so, if that. The magic is still there, but SWIM says it will never be anything like the first time.

[AceOvArts]

SWIM used to eat MDMA like it was going out of fashion, since about 1989 and the 2nd summer of love un the UK. He was very heavy into it until about 1996 from which time his useage dropped gradually. Although he would agree that the magic is never as good as it was in those early years he recently took some and that good old buzz came rushing back. He didnt need huge doses or any special administration, he just enjoyed the ride. I guess SWIMS previous last time on MDMA would have been 6-8 months ago.

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

SWIM can't find it again, but he read on erowid about when you do MDMA with a "MDMA virgin", the first Magic can be recaptured.

has anyone experienced such thing? or can back that statement up?

[podge]

Originally Posted by WrtngCocaineTutorial

SWIM can't find it again, but he read on erowid about when you do MDMA with a "MDMA virgin", the first Magic can be recaptured.

has anyone experienced such thing? or can back that statement up?

so swiy wants to pop some mdma virgins cherry is it?lol. sounds a bit hocus pocus to me. maybe if the mdma virgin is a very close friend of swiys it might work as there would be so much to talk about it might rekindle the old feeling......but otherwise swim highly doubts it.

Reputation Comments on this post:

thanks for some input!

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by podge

so swiy wants to pop some mdma virgins cherry is it?lol. sounds a bit hocus pocus to me. maybe if the mdma virgin is a very close friend of swiys it might work as there would be so much to talk about it might rekindle the old feeling......but otherwise swim highly doubts it.

Swim thinks it may be possible, though its more likely if the "MDMA Virgin" in case is a good friend.

Also its probably not likely if taking way too many pills is the cause of the loss of magic, rather than simple loss of novelty.


Introducing someone to a new experience and guiding them through it can enhance your own experiene quite a bit.

Reputation Comments on this post:

good

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

maybe it's the empathy, like you feel what they feel

[mfrieze]

Swim hasn't done ecstacy much, but swim feels that nothing can compare to his first experience.

[ponygirl]

SWIM has done X spaced out over no more than two weeks for about 4 months straight. She was taking upwards to 10 pills a night and would roll the entire weekend, taking lots more. Turns out SWIM had a digestive tract disorder that wouldn't let her body absorb anything!! So...SWIM's data will not work for this thing. SWIM has done a cleanse and keeps a very strict diet, suppliments with 5-HTP and now SWIM things things work better than ever, 2 pills max and she rolls hard. I think people need to look at everything they are putting into their body.

[non_existence]

Originally Posted by mfrieze

Swim hasn't done ecstacy much, but swim feels that nothing can compare to his first experience.

yeah, same here.
the first time was pure magic, then even with taking the same pills after that it just felt different somehow.

[buster]

from swims experience the loss off magic isnt permanent... when swim was younger he stopped using xtc for 18 months and upon starting again felt that 1st pill feeling from a measley half(why did i ever stop was the question he asked himself)

it's different nowadays.. swim finds he can capture the magic within the 1st 6/7 pills, any after that just dont have the high... although he can still really enjoy the smashed feeling and the random conversation and be stimulated to the same level of high it's not the xtc high. it's a drugged up smashedness with a high thats brought on by ones own mood and the enviroment..

personally i think the magic is inside the user not inside the pill...
ever noticed that you can decide whether your gonna have a good night or not before you have the pill...

[Bez]

My pet monkey has found that after doing pure MDMA almost every weekend this year that he still gets wasted every time, he thinks this is because he also treats his body with respect by excercising regularly and taking doses of 100 mg 5htp for 3-4 days after his experience.

The threshold dose for Mr Monkey is only 150mg which has admittedly increased from the original 100mg threshold. Maybe he needs a bit of a break as although the rushing is good he misses the love.....

1st post by the way Hi everyone

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

wow. that's like 50 times, and it still works..

does swiy redose? or use in a hot envirnoment?

[Akewstick]

My pet monkey has found that after doing pure MDMA almost every weekend this year that he still gets wasted every time, he thinks this is because he also treats his body with respect by excercising regularly and taking doses of 100 mg 5htp for 3-4 days after his experience.

"Getting pretty wasted" is not the same as the "magic" still being there, if you've lost the magic and you take 5 pills, you're still going to gurn and talk nonsense and jump around. This "loss of magic" does not mean SWIY can do loads of pills and be perfectly sober.

[halftone]

SWIMs 2 cents:

SWIM did mdma occasionally (approx. every month or two) for a period of time from late 90's until 2002. Was clean for over 3 years (only marijuana consumed over this time)...then had a chance to try some pills early this year (lab tested, clean, 110mg mdma). It was nice, SWIM had a really good time - but the magic was definitely NOT there, something was missing...On another occasion a few months ago, got ahold of some pills (not tested, but seemed very clean...) and it was the same thing. Good time, but a little something was missing.

Reputation Comments on this post:

3years clean.. very interesting input

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Bez

My pet monkey has found that after doing pure MDMA almost every weekend this year that he still gets wasted every time, he thinks this is because he also treats his body with respect by excercising regularly and taking doses of 100 mg 5htp for 3-4 days after his experience.

The threshold dose for Mr Monkey is only 150mg which has admittedly increased from the original 100mg threshold. Maybe he needs a bit of a break as although the rushing is good he misses the love.....

Thats the loss of magic right there.