USA - Which research chemicals are legal in the USA?

[MarkJ]

I've been wondering whether all these research chemicals are legal too buy, i thought they where but i dont wanna get into trouble about this incase its classed as dealing or whatever but if its legal, doe's anyone know any sites to buy them from? Its just i've wanted to try alot of them for a while.

Any replys will be appreciated!

[fnord]

noone here can give you any site names,its against the rules : http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...aqnruleslinkss

but yes they are legal just as long as the chemical isnt scheduled,its legality can be found out by a simple google search or on erowid.

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good answer

[MarkJ]

Oh thats alright then, thanks alot for the reply.

[trptamene]

The legality of many of these compounds is not clearly defined. While some are specifically scheduled like 2c-b, 5-meo-dipt, & 2c-t-7 others are not. Considering many of these compounds have similar structures they can be prosecuted under the analog act...but this would take place in a court of law and one would need to get chemical experts for both the defense and prosecutor to explain it to a jury/judge. They would likely not go through this much troube to prosecute ~1g of the substance...particularly if seized in the mail, if it is caught in the mail one is likely not to face much other than getting a love letter from the fda.

[Zaprenz]

Also even if not controlled (or not covered by an analogue act) there are likely many other laws (health & safety, sale for intended human consumption, medicines acts, COSH) etc which (IN THEORY) could possibly be used to try to take legal action (in some form) or at least add to the general "greyness" or their legality. [Well SWIM would predict]

[fnord]

yes,if your selling/buying for human consumption it would be considered a violation of some? law. anyone know the exact law?

[chemlove]

Lawmakers and Gov have done an interesting job of making it about impossible to classify the legality of these compounds. Are they illegal (in most cases) NO. But the problem lies in the analog laws which in many countries provides lawmakers / Gov with an opportunity to punish someone if they are moving in any these compounds could be considered an illegal analog. I believe and many in my city of life believe this is no accident. It give them the power at any time to attack the assumed problem at whatever level they want. Today they could only want dealers, tomorrow they could only want sites selling (see opt. web trypt if i spelled that right). Or they could just wake up tomorrow and decide they want anyone they can get their hands on. From what SWIM was also told, once you put most of these compounds in a pill for or capsule that most authorities will look to charge you. (can anyone attest to the truth to that matter Thanks!)

[chemlove]

The Federal Analog Act is a controversial section of the United States Controlled Substances Act, allowing any chemical "substantially similar" to an illegal drug (in Schedule I or II) to be treated as if it were also in Schedule I, but only if it is intended for human consumption. The banned substances are often called designer drugs.

• (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (C), the term controlled substance analogue means a substance -
  • (i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
  • (ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
  • (iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.
• (B) The designation of gamma butyrolactone or any other chemical as a listed chemical pursuant to paragraph (34) or (35) does not preclude a finding pursuant to subparagraph (A) of this paragraph that the chemical is a controlled substance analogue.
• (C) Such term does not include -
  • (i) a controlled substance;
  • (ii) any substance for which there is an approved new drug application;
  • (iii) with respect to a particular person any substance, if an exemption is in effect for investigational use, for that person, under section 355 of this title to the extent conduct with respect to such substance is pursuant to such exemption; or
  • (iv) any substance to the extent not intended for human consumption before such an exemption takes effect with respect to that substance.
  THANKS WIKI.

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	good info
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[JaWill88]

anyone want to list at least a few research chemicals which are not considered flat out illegal? not asking for sources or anything just imformation. if anyone wants to do so it would probably be greatly appreciated by many.

[Bajeda]

Read chemlove's posts very closely and you will realize why this is so hard to do. There are some chems that aren't on the gov's radar perhaps, and many wouldn't be noticed, but its pretty much impossible to say that one is completely 100% legal as the laws are so murky.

[JDreaming]

It is probably safest to assume that buying research chemicals is NOT legal, especially in the UK or the USA. People involved with research chemicals have been arrested before in these countries, and the US/UK governments have stated pretty clearly that they consider 'research chemicals' no different from scheduled psychedelics or stimulants.

[cosmicruler]

If you are unsure then DONT ORDER!!!!!!!!

you obviously havent done your homework yet, so my advice is to get reading and researching....

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Good advice.

[JaWill88]

swim still remebers years ago when all these chems were for sale everywhere and had these advertisements "replica of psilocybin!/methamphetamine/whatever and anyone could buy them assuming they were over 18. swim finally got the hunderds of dollars saved up he wanted to spend and BAM! lol. all the sites were gone and couldn't sell these things anymore. they were selling 2cb, 5 meo dmt?, and a whole crap load of other things. was this the analogue act the thing that happened that made all this happen? a few years back right like maybe 3 or 4?

[RaverHippie]

The analog act and the fact that deaths have happened from wares distributed in this manner, also many have been busted so others are forced to be secretive to remain in business at all.

[raven3davis]

Think about it like this? Do you think it matters if RCs are technically legal when some cop wants to take you away for the vial of white powder which could be anything.....of course you do the smart thing and keep your mouth shut. Even if you avoid heavy penaltys, it will be one hell of an en devour.

[aionsan]

Originally Posted by trptamene

particularly if seized in the mail, if it is caught in the mail one is likely not to face much other than getting a love letter from the fda.

Who the hell still puts a return adress on mail ?

Newsflash: If it was sent to you, you can claim it's a mistake or act all "WTF" and play dumb. Good luck to try and prove you REQUESTED it to be sent to you.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by aionsan

Who the hell still puts a return adress on mail ?

Newsflash: If it was sent to you, you can claim it's a mistake or act all "WTF" and play dumb. Good luck to try and prove you REQUESTED it to be sent to you.

Computer seizures are very easy for the FDA, also they could subpoena payment info from the company methinks.

[trptamene]

Originally Posted by aionsan

Who the hell still puts a return adress on mail ?

Newsflash: If it was sent to you, you can claim it's a mistake or act all "WTF" and play dumb. Good luck to try and prove you REQUESTED it to be sent to you.

What the hell does a return address have to do with anything?

Yes you can claim it was a mistake and act dumb all you want, people aren't stupid and know what is up, but like said it is a matter of proving it and then evaluating whether the time investment is worth it to them.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

I've been wondering whether all these research chemicals are legal too buy, i thought they where but i dont wanna get into trouble about this incase its classed as dealing or whatever but if its legal, doe's anyone know any sites to buy them from? Its just i've wanted to try alot of them for a while.

Any replys will be appreciated!

The world doesn't have one universal law system, every country has it's own. Since your location on the top-right of your post doesn't show SWIY's country, it is of no use asking SWIY's country if we don't know where SWIY lives.

[johnaddison]

This is a good subject to talk about. How can SWIM trust a site like google or erwoid and the legal disclamer? If the substance is Un-scheduled, on Erowid is can say that its A likely anologe, a possible anologe or it totally n-scheduled. Does Any know the difference? Please let me know. SWIM who's from Wisconsin checked there state laws and there's alot of RC's that our not Sheduled. SWIM is still and worried about buying RC's and has been scared since 2005. One of the persons this forum said you can buy it if its Un-scheduled can SWIM trust you, and what I mean is, have you ever done it? What SWIM's opinion is, is if SWIM may buy RC's on the internet but every state law is different and one should take that into consideration but it's just an opinion. SWIM also thinks you won't know till you try it. Just like When you first tried a drug, you really don't know what its like till you try it. Hope I used the SWIM thing right cuz the is my first post.

[johnaddison]

Go on erowid,click on the Reserch Chemical then click on law. Some RC's say likely anologe, possible anologe and Unsceduled. SWIM's opinion would be the ones that our Possible and Totally unsceduled you might be able to get away with. The 5-MeO-MIPT valt leave SWIM with question, It says its unscheduled but undernieth It says it is in the federal microgram issue. FYI 4-Acetoxy-DiPT is totally unscheduled SWIM is sure theres more that are Unscheduled. To know for sure, SWIM would talk to a laywer if you live in the USA. SWIM thinks all the good RC'c should be legal, because achol is legal, and I't the worst Drug for the humanbody health wise.

[trptamene]

People must understand this is not clear cut and in the world of RC legality there is a n incredibly huge grey area. All of these drugs are not without some risk of legal investigations (IMO), but every person must weigh their own information/location/background as well as their desire to research these substances and whether it is worth the inherent legal and health risks.

Originally Posted by Fraters Illuminati Boy, Et Al.

Deciding Whether to Become a Researcher:

So you have read up on some of the compounds referred to as ‘Research Chemicals,’ you have brushed up on your basic chemistry and biology, and you have started to seriously study what you can in the area of psychopharmacology. You have read up on your local laws and you have checked your bank balances. You are now ready to sit down and do an educated risk / benefit analysis. Only you can decide what an acceptable/manageable level of risk is. Below are some focus questions that you should consider.

Legal / Residential:

In many parts of the world non-institutional / non-approved research in psychoactive drugs can get you in a lot of trouble. The situation currently with regard to non-sanctioned direct research into the human mind is very much like the situation with regard to the non-sanctioned research into the human body and other sciences that occurred 500 years ago. During that time the Church and many principalities had taboos and prohibitions about direct examination of human corpses. Medical schools would often have to hire lookouts to keep watch when a dissection was about to take place. Some schools even had trap doors installed that would allow the bodies to be quickly cached in the event of a ‘bust.’ As late as the late 1500’s / 1600’s “calculing” (calculating) was considered sorcery and books on the subject were burned by the Tudor authorities. Looking through Galileo’s telescope was feared to cause the viewer to be deluded or go crazy. Johannes Kepler had to frequently move in order to find the optimal political environment in which to conduct his research. In short, doing research outside of mainstream sensibilities has historically been risky business. It is no less so today.

Some questions to consider:

What are the current laws regarding various ‘Research Chemicals’ and their possession in my home country?

Am I willing to move to another country/state/province/municipality that has more favorable laws regarding such research?

How negatively would my life be impacted by an arrest? (Would it result in loss of employment? Would paying for legal representation bankrupt you? Could you loose professional licenses and the like? Etc.)

How negatively would my life be impacted by a conviction / serving time in prison?

Are you ready to flush your chemicals, burn your journal, and drill your hard drive at a moment’s notice?

Physical Health:

If you are considering self-experimentation you must consider how physically fit you are. Do you have any heart/cardiac concerns that could be exacerbated if you took a stimulant or had a panic reaction? How is your blood pressure? How bothered are you by smoke or dust (if you are considering pyrolyzing or insufflating compounds)? Do you have any seizure disorders? Do you know if you have an abnormal liver that may complicate how drugs are metabolized in vivo? Do you have multiple allergies? Do you have any metabolic disorder? Do you have any rare, unusual, or named after your family illnesses of any kind? Does the thought of taking a few flights of stairs give you pause? How many years do you think experimenting with ‘Research Chemicals’ might add or take away from your life?

Mental Health:

If you are possibly considering self-experimentation you must take into account how mentally stable and psychologically healthy you are at the present time. Have you ever had treatment for any psychological, psychiatric, or substance use problems? Do you have an ‘addictive personality?’ Do you have a family history that is positive for mental illness, suicide, alcoholism, or ‘nervous breakdowns?’ How well do you handle or react to stressful situations? How well do you react to novel situations? Are you open to questioning your fundamental personal, philosophical, and religious beliefs? Do you get angry easily? Do you get anxious often? Do you fear loss of control?

Social Risk / Embarrassment:

What would happen if your family found out you were ‘using drugs?’ What would your neighbors or community do if information got out about your research? Would your family disown you if you were charged with a crime? Do you embarrass easily? Do you react poorly to humiliation? How much do you care about what others think of you?

Economic Issues:

Becoming seriously involved with ‘Research Chemicals’ can run into the thousands of dollars. At a minimum there is the procuring of the compounds themselves which can be costly, especially if one is getting a very obscure compound or having a custom synthesis done. If you are going to research these compounds you will want to get a balance capable of accurately measuring to the 1-2 mg. range or better. These scales can sometimes be found cheaply by bargain shopping at internet auction and science resale sites, but be prepared to spend a minimum of $100 or considerably more in order to acquire a scale sufficiently accurate and precise. Depending on how seriously you are taking your research you may want to consider investing in a blood pressure cuff, EpiPen, and possibly some other research accoutrements.

Time Issues:

This is not an endeavor for the cavalier or impatient. If you are seriously interested in investigating these compounds you should be willing to spend time in learning as much as you can about them specifically and the actions of drugs and the human nervous system generally. Just the education piece can take a considerable amount of time if you do not already have a grounding in chemistry, psychology, pharmacology, or medicine. It can also take some time to titrate up on dosing so as to be safe. Further, some of the compounds may last over 24 hours and/or have significant after-effects. Unless you have some disposable time on your hands investigating ‘Research Chemicals’ may not be for you.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14744

[Alfa]

Please note the research chemicals legality tag at the bottom of each related thread.

Although it is pretty hard to define how far the analogue law is going to be stretched, it is reasonable to say that any compound that is not related to a scheduled substance can be considered legal. However with the US you never know, because the government is known for bizarre (ab)use of vague laws.

So to define what is legal while knowing that the definition will be a relative one,we can say that any substance that:

1. does not fall in the same class as a scheduled drug.
2. is not closely related to a scheduled drug.

will likely be considered a legal substance.

When reasoning from this point, which substances would be considered relatively legal then?

[Ididnotinhale]

Originally Posted by fnord

noone here can give you any site names,its against the rules : http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...aqnruleslinkss

but yes they are legal just as long as the chemical isnt scheduled,its legality can be found out by a simple google search or on erowid.

THis is off topic, but:

Just curious, after you said you couldn't suggest websites you suggested erowid. Why does that not count? (As a side note swim has read the rules) Also, links to journals are okay right? Would it be okay to offer a specific url in erowid. Sorry that this is the wrong place to ask this, it just came up so swim thought he'd chime in for readers who may be confused like swim.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by yowhatupU

THis is off topic, but:

Just curious, after you said you couldn't suggest websites you suggested erowid. Why does that not count? (As a side note swim has read the rules) Also, links to journals are okay right? Would it be okay to offer a specific url in erowid. Sorry that this is the wrong place to ask this, it just came up so swim thought he'd chime in for readers who may be confused like swim.

The OP was asking for a commercial site where he would be able to purchase illegal research chemicals. That was the reason for Fnord's comment. Site's such as journalistic sites of good reputation, wikipedia, erowid, pubmed, etc are routinely sited for informational purposes.