Drug info - MeTHedrone [?distinct from mephedrone] - bk-PMMA ?

[Zaprenz]

More potential confusion:
[Theoretical discussion on the naming of actual molecules not what any suppliers may or may not be selling]

SWIMs understanding discussed in this thread http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42323) is that

Mephedrone = 4-Methyl,N-MethylCathinone or para-methyl, N-Methylcathinone.

Logic: 4-Methyl-EPHEDRONE = Mephedrone

Most people seem to agree => No particular problem

Methedrone (note the T not P) According to wikipedia [?Could be incorrect?]

Methoxyphedrine[Methedrone] = bk-PMMA [article accessed 15/01/07]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methoxyphedrine

Anyone know the potential naming logic for methedrone (I.e bk-PMMA, two structures shown below)? [If true that is, it could well be a wiki error?]. Some were complaining of confusing methylone with mephedrone but this is definately one potential confusion. (only one letter p replaced with t)

[enquirewithin]

The effects are said to include confusion, feeling of euphoria, and interest in things that wouldn't usually interest you.

Is this the same as : 1-(4-methoxyphenyl)-2-methylaminopropan-1-one?

An opinion is that:

...pmma is said to be fun unlike pma and this wouldn't be as dangerous IMO cuz it's bk amphetamine which are usually not too strong
Actually it would be bk-pMe-MA. There is a 4-Me, not a 4-MeO.

Sounds like it could be of some interest to researchers, but is the relationship to PMMA a health concern? No one seems to know. (Wish they would use their bk- prefixes instead of rather similar adopted names.)

[Richard_smoker]

also, this drug would have to be taken only on occasion as it appears to be one of the serotoninergic stimulants that causes pulmonary hypertension and heart valve damage.

for a recent media shit-storm on this very topic, look up "Fen-Phen permanent heart damage."

Seriously though, pulmonary hypertension is a very difficult disease to treat. It is associated with cardiac arrhythmias, pulmonary edema, coughing up blood, and sudden cardiac death. It basically consists of the RIGHT side of your heart building up muscle mass and performing the strongest PUSH of blood, but being that it's on the RIGHT side, this high-speed rush of blood only travels up pulmonary arteries that are a few inches long and terminate in your lungs...this is hardly a system that is conducive to a high pressure / high-flow environment.

Just for sake of completeness, consider the LEFT side of the heart. This is the 'exit' ventricle where blood is sent back out into the body after being loaded-up with fresh oxygen. In normal, healthy people, the left ventricle is much stronger and has more muscle tissue compared to the right ventricle. -DICK

[foxydoe]

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

also, this drug would have to be taken only on occasion as it appears to be one of the serotoninergic stimulants that causes pulmonary hypertension and heart valve damage.

for a recent media shit-storm on this very topic, look up "Fen-Phen permanent heart damage."

Seriously though, pulmonary hypertension is a very difficult disease to treat. It is associated with cardiac arrhythmias, pulmonary edema, coughing up blood, and sudden cardiac death. It basically consists of the RIGHT side of your heart building up muscle mass and performing the strongest PUSH of blood, but being that it's on the RIGHT side, this high-speed rush of blood only travels up pulmonary arteries that are a few inches long and terminate in your lungs...this is hardly a system that is conducive to a high pressure / high-flow environment.

Just for sake of completeness, consider the LEFT side of the heart. This is the 'exit' ventricle where blood is sent back out into the body after being loaded-up with fresh oxygen. In normal, healthy people, the left ventricle is much stronger and has more muscle tissue compared to the right ventricle. -DICK

How do you know this drug causes similar damage? Have a reference. Do you have any references to other drugs that cause fen-phen heart?

[enquirewithin]

What is the relationship between Fen-Phen and this material?

[polidelaiko]

I guess the relationship is the pulmonary hypertension and heart valve damage that they both supposedly can cause. Well at least fen-phen does it.

[enquirewithin]

With PMA a dangerous increase in blood pressure was observed by Shulgin. How does fen-phen relate to PMA and this compound, if I'm not asking an over obvious question?

[Abrad]

Reports of deaths in Sweden from this compound. I'll post more info as it becomes available.

Here's an article in Swedish if anyone can translate?

And another.

[Alfa]

http://translate.google.com/translat...natet-1.954466
http://translate.google.com/translat...istory_state0=



Green methedrone? WTF?

[terrapinzflyer]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Green methedrone? WTF?

assume your speaking of the bag in the back held in his right hand? Wondering if its just a trick of the light/background colors? looks like lots of blues/grays in the room. They descripe the powder as yellowish. The big bag in front in his left hand looks to have bluee light on the lower portion. If I remember correctly blue+yellow=green.

just a thought...

[KoBe]

Hello, I have interest in this product, because it is very available at the moment for cheap price.

What could stop me from buying me a 2000 milligrams, for special occasions?

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Please be more aware of self incrimination because this is a violation of the site rules

[Combination]

Originally Posted by KoBe

Hello, I have interest in this product, because it is very available at the moment for cheap price.

What could stop me from buying me a 2000 milligrams, for special occasions?

Sanity.

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This post is really quite useless without you expanding on it