Opinions - Why would some that work for a large group of long timers not work for two newbies?

[Moose08]

Hypothetical question:

Tweedledum and Tweedledee were at a huge party filled with people who had taken pills many times before. They were both very, very excited and had been waiting for weeks. Both were fit, active people with normal diets other than unusually large intakes of flavoured milk (a LOT), and both tended to sleep during the day and stay up all night for work. (Trying to give all the details I can)

The pills turned out to be quite strong, and for all the seasoned pros they were very nice indeed...not very loved up but extremely euphoric, giving lots of energy for dancing.

However T & T didn't feel any effects of their first ones at all. While everyone else was off their nut dancing and loving everything, with a very quick come on, T & T were sitting by the dance floor looking very dissapointed.

After 2 hours, and once the others were onto their seconds and feeling GREAT, it was suggested to T & T that they try another each. They did, and after 30mins started to feel it, but to nowhere NEAR the degree that anyone else did. They definately felt happy and more energetic, but seeing as by this stage everyone else was needing to lie down from the rushes, they were still far from getting the full effects. In the end they did enjoy their experiences, but looking back their descriptions of the day were nothing compared to everyone elses.

Everyone at the party was the same age, there were women and men of all sizes, everyone had been eating the same things and doing the same activities. Neither T nor T was on anti depressents or any other drug, or was sick in any way.

In this situation, does ANYONE know what on earth could have caused this? Surely even though there was so much anticipation, the strength of the pills would have overwhelmed their nervousness????

Please help with any info you may have.

[Nature Boy]

Inconsistency of dosage in the batch of pills perhaps. Either that or T&T were expecting too much. SWIM doesn't find the MDMA experience to be very profound.

[fnord]

SWIM doesn't find the MDMA experience to be very profound.

yeah grandma dosent either,she must take alot more then her friends to feel the same as she thinks her friends are feeling.

also grandma and 2 friends each took a pill,1 person was bouncing off the walls while the other 2 fell asleep.

who knows?

[Mint boi]

a seasoned mdma user knows exactly what to look for after ingesting a pill, for a first time user the some of the effects could possibly be overlooked, maybe.. Although ... with a strong pill this probably wouldnt be an issue. My ferret agrees with the above posts that mdma is not very profound, and the effects can be greatly lessened or enhanced ,in my ferrets experience, depending on how the user is "feeling" the atmosphere.

[6chr0nic4]

pressed pills are made in large batches, ingredients are thrown together and mixed than pressed, one pill can have 90% mdma and 10% speed or caffine or w.e (unlikely just an example)
while another can have 30%mdma 70%filler

depending on mdma dosage, sometimes it can be low, so for first timers, its best to find guranteed good pills or pure mdma, if they are doing pressed pills, do a few

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good statement

[Mint boi]

Originally Posted by 6chr0nic4

if they are doing pressed pills, do a few

recommending first timers to do multiple pills is hardly a good idea

[RaverHippie]

This exact situation happened to SWIM and Friends. Swim had been away from MDMA unfortunately for about 4 months and at his first rave at college SWIM's friend found e and offered him one. SWIM rolled very hard off one pill and both of SWIM's friends with much less experience with e complained of sickness and lack of effects.

My opinion is that state of mind probably had a large part to do with it. Seretonin is released with sitmulation and so if your mindset is to have a good time and accept the stimuli around you then you should have a better time then someone that just sits there and waits for it to hit them.

[chemlove]

The only thing SWIM can think is maybe T and T had too much food in their body, or had maybe a bad pill, but to think that two people got a bad one don't make much since.

[6chr0nic4]

let me rephrase, if its not hitting them, take a few, so if its actually the pill itself, taking another half or 1 1/2 will elminate the chance of not getting mdma

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bad call. do not give information like this to anybody without experience or the wisdom to know that it is incorrect.

[Powder_Reality]

let me rephrase, if its not hitting them, take a few, so if its actually the pill itself, taking another half or 1 1/2 will elminate the chance of not getting mdma

Or increase the chance of overdosing on a much more toxic adulterant. This is exactly how people die from PMA pills that have been sold as ecstasy.

PMA is a very toxic psychedelic stimulant, and has a recreational dosage dangerously close to the lethal dosage. PMA also takes longer to kick in than MDMA, which can prompt a user to ingest multiple pills. Obviously this can easily lead to a lethal overdose. SWIM suggests that SWIY should always test their pills with a testing kit before consuming them (especially if they are planning on ingesting more than one pill).

[6chr0nic4]

than dont do pressed pills
man u guys are picky

ok, if the pills dont work

than pop more, possibly from a different source, after a safe and extended period of time under supervision and use with caution

[Micklemouse]

We are picky because we believe that safety is important & good, clear information on safety is essential. Any questionable advice should & will be challenged, often by entities with many years experience.

[N0ly]

Patience goes along way, if you don't feel anything the safest thing to do is wait a long time, maybe even wait till the next night. remember time does not exist except in your mind so waiting till another day should be easy.

I hear alot that dairy products can be detrimental to psychoactive substances. not sure if this is 100% true haven't done the research myself. so maybe swiy should cut back on the milk.

try hemp milk you can find it at organic grocery stores.

[MrG]

Originally Posted by N0ly

maybe swiy should cut back on the milk.

Absolutely right. If SWIY had a load of milk in his stomach then the contents off the pill would pretty much get bound up in it and would end up travelling through his digestive system instead of being absorbed in his stomach. The body actually finds it quite hard to digest cow's milk.

Originally Posted by N0ly

try hemp milk you can find it at organic grocery stores.

Ewwwwwww!

[sknkv2]

Happened to SWIM's mate. Both SWIM and SWIM's mate dropped the same pills and yet his mate didn't feel anything for a while. Finally he came up but SWIM and his friend got in a fight (the pills obviously weren't pure) and this brang SWIM's friend down massively to the point he became almost reclusive while SWIM was pinging off his absolute nut. Set and setting mean everything.

[Moose08]

Just to specify - suppose T & T generally drink a LOT of milk, but not a particularly large amount on that day.

Also its important to note that it wasnt a normal party, it was part of a huge holiday at the beach and both T & T were in the best of spirits.

Not sure if this makes a difference, just trying to be as specific as possible!

[spatchcock86]

Swim didn't really feel anything profound until his 5th MDMA experience. Swim knows for a fact this had nothing to do with poor quality. For swim It was more a psychological thing. It's almost as if you have to search for the magic of MDMA the first few times, and only after you've found it will they come on automatically in future experiments. At least for swim anyway.