Red Vein (Thai) kratom

[spatchcock86]

Swim up until now has been using the standard Bali X15 extract with good results. Just recently swim decided to try some of the other products on offer and purchased some Thai Red Vein leaf. Unlike the last supplier, swim noticed it doesn't come with recommended dosages.

What is an effective/strong dose for this strain of Kratom?? Swim is guessing it's less than you'd need of the premium Bali leaf, but more than the 15X Bali extract.

Any ideas???

Along with that swim has a kind of extract. This also has no dosage instructions. See Below VVV

"28 grams / one ounce
Special proprietary blend of ground leaf infused with Kratom extracts for a very concentrated product."

"Over 2,420mg of alkaloids per oz!
of that over 500mg is Mitragynine!
plus lots of 7-0H-Mitragynine"

"It takes nearly 250g of premium kratom leaf to make each ounce of this product!"

What would be a medium/strong dose of this???