Co codamol effervescent

[robshaka]

Swim stupidly bought co codamol effervesent by mistake and is wandering if he can do a CWE. Previous posts from other forums suggest A BIG NO from rather bullish posters.
They say the paracetamol dissolves in the water but surely if you chilled it the Para would settle to the bottom allowing a CWE? On the back of the pack it says it also contains sodium and sorbitol (E420), are these toxic in large doses, could anyone please give SWIM a bit of advice on this as Swim is doing it in a few hours. SWIM will do a rough measurement of the paracetamol (if there is any) and if it's much the same as SWIM'S previous CWEs(i.e alot) SWIM will swallow it.

[Pondlife]

Originally Posted by robshaka

Swim stupidly bought co codamol effervesent by mistake and is wandering if he can do a CWE. Previous posts from other forums suggest A BIG NO from rather bullish posters.
They say the paracetamol dissolves in the water but surely if you chilled it the Para would settle to the bottom allowing a CWE?

I can't see any reason why I CWE couldn't be done. Sure, the paracetamol will dissolve in the water if you use one tablet in a whole glass of water (approx. 200ml) like the instructions doubtless say, but you wouldn't do that for a CWE. Also, as you say you'd chill it to get the paracetamol to drop out of solution.

On the back of the pack it says it also contains sodium and sorbitol (E420), are these toxic in large doses

It won't contain elemental sodium. It will be a sodium salt, i.e. sodium something.

Sorbitol has laxative effects at high doses. It is freely soluble in water, so this will remain after the CWE.

[darkglobe]

Firstly SWIM would like to thank SWIY for at least posting detailed info!

SWIM actually posted pretty much exactly the same thread as this a while back (maybe SWIY could use the forum search function next time, honestly - there's a LOT of info available already).

As far as the solubility of Paracetamol in effervescent tablets: well, it's the same. Paracetamol is Paracetamol, no matter what form. As long as the Paracetamol is just pure Paracetamol, its solubility will remain the same. SWIY is correct in assuming it will come out of solution at a low enough temperature.

As far as the Sodium and E numbers are concerned, that may be a different story. SWIM doesn't know a great deal about the toxicity of Sodium or E numbers, but an educated guess would be that the amounts present in the tablets will NOT present a huge risk to SWIY, but please please get a second (and even third) opinion on this. NOTE: Sodium IS toxic in large doses, but probably not the doses concerned here.

Just a bit of advice.... If SWIY isn't sure about something, it's not a good idea to "do it in a few hours" if SWIY hasn't really assured themselves about safety. Just think before doing, yeah?

And another thing - "measuring paracetamol"? Errr - no. Gauging how much white shit left over at the end is definitely not a measurement of how much para is left. Okay, it's a VERY general rough guide, but not to be relied upon. The white crap left over at the end is also made up largely of fillers & binders used to keep the pill in shape.

SWIM hopes he doesn't sound too whiny, he's just making sure things are done safely and SWIY doesn't hurt yourself.

EDIT: Damn ya bastard. Beat me to it.
EDIT II: The Return Of The Edit Button: Forgot bout the ol' laxative effects - can be quite naaaaasty if Sorbitol is consumed in very large doses.

[robshaka]

SWIM much appreciates the advice. SWIM has just looked at the leaflet inside the box which states extra ingredients that are not on the back of the box. They are sorbitol, saccharin sodium, sodium lauryl sulphate, citric acid, sodium carbonate, sodium bicarbonate, povidone and dimeticone. Swim is in the process of filtering but has now decided that the pub may be a better bet as a codeine high should never amount to this much bother and worry. Swim is cursing the damn chemist as he did not state effervescent.

[Ale]

Originally Posted by robshaka

SWIM much appreciates the advice. SWIM has just looked at the leaflet inside the box which states extra ingredients that are not on the back of the box. They are sorbitol, saccharin sodium, sodium lauryl sulphate, citric acid, sodium carbonate, sodium bicarbonate, povidone and dimeticone. Swim is in the process of filtering but has now decided that the pub may be a better bet as a codeine high should never amount to this much bother and worry. Swim is cursing the damn chemist as he did not state effervescent.

Swiy'll be just fine with a regular CWE.there's really nothing to be concerned about.

[darkglobe]

Also, the ingredients SWIY listed in SWIY's last post robshaka, they're INactive ingredients, and will not adversely affect the CWE in any significant way.

[Tortoise]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but just as a matter of safety I believe that the same rules don't apply to soluble aspirin. Apparently efferverscent codeine/aspirin tablets should be avoided as the aspirin does somehow dissolve in solution and hence will end up in the final product.

Can anybody confirm this? Does anybody know the chemical mechanics involved?

[darkglobe]

Most effervescent Aspirin/Codeine pills contain:

Codeine Phosphate Hemihydrate
Magnesium Hydroxide
Aspirin
Other inactives

A CWE won't work because the Magnesium from the Magnesium Hydroxide will react with the Aspirin creating a soluble Magnesium salt of Aspirin. The method SWIM uses for getting rid of Aspirin from pills like the above is fairly simple:

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#1. Dissolve pills in approx. 5ml water per pill, and filter:
Well they are soluble, after all. At least it means no damn crushing! Once dissolved, filter the solids out (use the same method as a standard CWE)

#2. Add a little 30% HCl:
Do this SLOWLY. Once "white stuff" starts precipitating out of solution, watch it carefully as SWIY adds HCl. Stop adding HCl when no more precipitate is formed.

#2. Filter off insoubles again:
This time 'round it's the Aspirin we're looking to wave goodbye to. Be very careful and meticulous with this bit, just as with a CWE.

#3. Neutralise with Na2CO3:
You CANNOT skip this step. Before the addition of Na2CO3 SWIY's lovely, harmless-looking solution is strong acid which would be very dangerous to consume.
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Hope that helps. SWIM is fairly sure it's correct, although the effects were much weaker than that of SWIM's Paracetamol/Codeine CWE results.

Anyhop - to Robshaka: How did SWIY's CWE go? Post an update? If anymore tips are need please post them to a CWE thread (there are many)

[geezaman]

Originally Posted by darkglobe

.....A CWE won't work because the Magnesium from the Magnesium Hydroxide will react with the Aspirin creating a soluble Magnesium salt of Aspirin...

SWIM has found elsewhere in this subfora that;
- "Aspirin will dissolve at a rate of 1000mg per 100ml water at 37 degrees C" and
- "Paracetamol will dissolve at a rate of 14mg per 1ml water at 20 degrees C"

Is there a similar measure describing the solubility of the magnesium salt of aspirin mentioned by SWIdarkglobe? Also If the pills contain paracetamol rather than aspirin, is it likely magnesium will be used to form a soluble paracetamol salt (solubility measure of this would also be useful).

Although there is a great amount of info here on the CWE method, there are variations in the details between them and between the pills the poster has used, so please be kind to SWIM and don't send him off to the search engine (He has already spent much time following its leads).

The info is requested in relation to effervescent co-codamol 8/500 codeine/paracetamol pills.
thanks
Geezaman

PS -SWIM is in no rush with the above Qs and will not proceed until sure of solubility rates.

[Nucking Futs]

SWIM plans a (first ever) extraction of codine from soldol (not real name) effervescent 30/500. first some water will be used to disolve the tabs which will then be put into the fridge until it reaches the ambiant temp 3oc.The total amount of tabs used will be guaged as soon as swim has read the post on doses for opiates. This will be left for 15 mins to settle and strained through a filter. SWIM says the result will be a liquid low in para and high in codine. This is swims first trial of codine and she said she will post the results of this experiment as soon as they are available.

VERY IMPORTANT.
This activity is both dangerous, and could lead to massive organ failure or death or both or neither. Please do it safely or not at all.

Regards

me.

[Nucking Futs]

EDIT-- IMA proper noob sometimes !

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[Nucking Futs]

Hi
I have just spoken to swim and apparently the liquid is ready to drink ! 6 tabs in xxxxx much water ? lol 2 mouthfulls ? This dosnt instill faith does it. first filter through a football t shirt. Sludge didnt filter liquid did (very slowly). Double filtered for that cool refreshing taste (brits should get it). So this is a 180mgish dose but having not tried codine before and still slightly concerned about the para (none visable at the bottom) swim drank half and not a bad taste either with orange squash.

FYI the remains of the first filtering was a white almost putty like substance which went strait in the bin.

Regards

Me.

[phillylocal]

SWIM gets effervescent Paracetamol/Codeine 500/30mgs (per tab) here in Spain. He's done 3 CWE's with it, not taking more than 5 tab's at once (after CWE of course), and has had good results with lots of gross white sludge at the bottom when finished.

He puts the mixture in the freezer and waits till a little ice forms around the waterline of the glass, then filters with coffee filter.

There should be no reason that the Paracetamol does not precipitate to the bottom, but if anyone has a friend who knows otherwise please advise my flamingo.

[Nucking Futs]

Originally Posted by phillylocal

SWIM gets effervescent Paracetamol/Codeine 500/30mgs (per tab) here in Spain. He's done 3 CWE's with it, not taking more than 5 tab's at once (after CWE of course), and has had good results with lots of gross white sludge at the bottom when finished.

He puts the mixture in the freezer and waits till a little ice forms around the waterline of the glass, then filters with coffee filter.

There should be no reason that the Paracetamol does not precipitate to the bottom, but if anyone has a friend who knows otherwise please advise my flamingo.

Hi,

Swim has given up on codine. After 2 attempts, #1 180mg no effective results and #2 a few days later 210mg same result. He says his next test subject will be benzos.

Regards,

Cai.

[phillylocal]

Interesting. Sorry to hear that; SWIY must have a special tolerance to Opiates. Eitehr way, Benzos should work...SWIM likes to parachute...but it's nice either way!...hopefully you can get 2mg Alprozolam bars (usually yellow, I think)....blue "footballs" (1mg) are great too...though some people seem to like valium more....SWIM wouldn't know. Clonazepam hasnt worked for this swimmer, but lots like it too.

[Nucking Futs]

Originally Posted by phillylocal

Interesting. Sorry to hear that; SWIY must have a special tolerance to Opiates. Eitehr way, Benzos should work...SWIM likes to parachute...but it's nice either way!...hopefully you can get 2mg Alprozolam bars (usually yellow, I think)....blue "footballs" (1mg) are great too...though some people seem to like valium more....SWIM wouldn't know. Clonazepam hasnt worked for this swimmer, but lots like it too.

Hi,

Thanks for the advise, I personaly won't be getting anything but I will inform swim about your suggestions.

Regards


ME.

[phillylocal]

of course YOU won't be getting anything...my pet flamingo took some adderall (he's prescribed...that damn flamingo), and forgot the forum rules.

Sincerely,
El BORACHO

[phillylocal]

Are there any Swimmers who can confirm that Effervescent Solutions are suitable for standard CWE? Anyone with a chemical background who can confirm this/give any hints for this?

My friend really doesn't want to hurt his liver at all, if possible!!! He has Cod-Effervalgan 30/500mg COD/APAP effervescent tablets.

I guess he can stick to lower doses but it would be nice to know that he's not getting any crap along with codeine...

[geezaman]

a simple solution may be get an accurate mg (1000th of a gram) set of scales, then do not consume more than say 1500mg of suposed extract (that would be equivelent to 3 500mg regular paracetamol tablets) if the extraction had not worked at all SWIY would have only consumed 1/2 more than the recomended paracetamol dose. SWIM would trust darkglobes post as to how to do it prperly though as SWIDarkglobe has high rep and no contradictory posts have been made.
peace

[phillylocal]

thanks.

Swim did it yesterday with two coffee filters, and found that his solution was pretty damn transparent when finished....always a good sign.

[amre]

Hey Im all new to this forum and i have been reading up quite a bit.

Anyway. AFOAF tryed following a few guilelines she found to Extract The codine from the Fizzy 8/500 para tabs.
She used a dolomo bottle 1/2 full with water then poked we holes in the lid, put a very thin sock over it to use as the
fliter.

She used 40 tabs (8/500) and got some gunky white shit of it. She ran it thru the fiter 4 times (2 dolomo bottles)
But theres about 1/3 of the water left, mabye more. Its in the frige now. theres a thin line off clear wite stuff at
the top. but still quite a bit of white stuff at the bottom. anyway my question is if she drinks it how much of the
20000 para did she get? Cuss thats a LOT of para and she really doesnt want to drink that!

She has worked it out as

320mgs Codien

20000 para

she usely has kapac tabs that are 30/500.
so my HER bad math she now has around 290 mgs of codine that smell fantily of dolomo.
and HOPEfully about 1000 ish para?

Please help b4 she drinks this crap!

amre added 32 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

frick it. i used a straw and drank the clear stuff at the top!

[davestate]

Originally Posted by phillylocal

Are there any Swimmers who can confirm that Effervescent Solutions are suitable for standard CWE? Anyone with a chemical background who can confirm this/give any hints for this?

My friend really doesn't want to hurt his liver at all, if possible!!! He has Cod-Effervalgan 30/500mg COD/APAP effervescent tablets.

I guess he can stick to lower doses but it would be nice to know that he's not getting any crap along with codeine...

They contain insane amounts of sodium per tablet, which cannot be filtered and will fuck SWiyour kidneys. I keep harping on about this over and over, but most people overlook it.

davestate added 3 Minutes and 44 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by amre

Hey Im all new to this forum and i have been reading up quite a bit.

Anyway. AFOAF tryed following a few guilelines she found to Extract The codine from the Fizzy 8/500 para tabs.
She used a dolomo bottle 1/2 full with water then poked we holes in the lid, put a very thin sock over it to use as the
fliter.

She used 40 tabs (8/500) and got some gunky white shit of it. She ran it thru the fiter 4 times (2 dolomo bottles)
But theres about 1/3 of the water left, mabye more. Its in the frige now. theres a thin line off clear wite stuff at
the top. but still quite a bit of white stuff at the bottom. anyway my question is if she drinks it how much of the
20000 para did she get? Cuss thats a LOT of para and she really doesnt want to drink that!

She has worked it out as

320mgs Codien

20000 para

she usely has kapac tabs that are 30/500.
so my HER bad math she now has around 290 mgs of codine that smell fantily of dolomo.
and HOPEfully about 1000 ish para?

Please help b4 she drinks this crap!

amre added 32 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

frick it. i used a straw and drank the clear stuff at the top!

Shit, 40 tablets...from various websites (google "sodium content co codamol effervescent") each tablet contains 420mg's of sodium, which means that solution will contain upto 16800mg's of sodium. Don't do it again, that'll be very bad for SWIyour heart and kidneys

[amre]

shite! im really glad i just had 2 mouth fulls :S and binned the rest.
Thanks man.