Can Amp Kill Swim?

[rainstripe]

If it is smoked only once in awhile - maybe 3 or 4 times a year - can this eventually kill swim? swim is an extremely youthful 55. any doctors in the house?

[bloot]

Of course this could kill someone. But anything can kill someone. But dying plainly from amphetamine use, four times a year doesn't really show any harm.

[razorwiredildo]

if swim was 55 he would definately make sure his heart could handle it.
Amphetamine addiction is probably much more taxing on the body at that age, so obviously swiy needs to be sure he has the self control to not become an addict. I'm not saying that swiy will get addicted, but that possibility should be considered, as it probably wouldn't last too long.

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by razorwiredildo

if swim was 55 he would definately make sure his heart could handle it.

swim agrees that swir should seek an echocardiogram procedure with his doctor before deciding wether to continue with his occasional indulgences. Assuming all is in tip-top-ticking-condition, swithem has nothing to worry about.

[bloot]

This is true. But based on what he says the conditions are he'll be fine.

[chemlove]

These statistics came from the Office of National Drug Control Policy

According to the 2006 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), an estimated 5.77% of the U.S. population aged 12 or older used methamphetamine at least once in their lifetimes for nonmedical purposes. Further data indicate that past year methamphetamine use was higher in the West (1.6%) than in the Northeast (0.3%), Midwest (0.5%) or South (0.7%) in 2006. The rates of past year use in 2006 were similar to those in 2002 in each respective region.3
In 2006 there were an estimated 731,000 current users of methamphetamine, aged 12 or older, representing 0.3% of the population. Among persons aged 12 or older, there were 259,000 recent, new users of methamphetamine taken for nonmedical purposes during 2006. These estimates do not differ significantly from estimates for 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005.

This Tells me that their hundreds of thousands of users around the world, Maybe even millions. Yes could something bad happen of course, and a plane could loose an engine and it could fall on you. Its all about risk and reward the only person that can answer that question is SWIM him or her self.

If your really worried about death or a brutal addiction my suggestion is to go to a rehab, or open forum clinic and talk to a few of the different users and try to get an idea of what your getting yourself into. I'd only suggest that though if your worried if your not i wouldn't go to that type of environment. cause it always has a way of bringing SWIM down.

Reputation Comments on this post:

irrelevant, bad advice. addictions doesn't stem from occasional use, it stems from ABUSE

[Virbius]

Originally Posted by rainstripe

If it is smoked only once in awhile - maybe 3 or 4 times a year - can this eventually kill swim? swim is an extremely youthful 55. any doctors in the house?

Highly doubtful as long as there is no preexisting heart complication and no high blood pressure. There was no mention of how much is taken each of those times, but considering it is reasonable, there should be nothing to worry about... often smokers will reach a certain high and actually want to put the pipe down, whereas injection and oral administration can more easily result in overdose.

An overdoes amount will be different for different people, but I would say that on average, 1 gram of pure product at one time can be deadly toxic to just about anyone.

As long as usage is done responsibly, then there should be no worries.

[merecat]

Originally Posted by Virbius

... often smokers will reach a certain high and actually want to put the pipe down...

Never once when smoking meth did my dog want to put down the pipe. my dog only stopped when she passed out from days of not sleeping, or because she ran out of product.

Cardiovascular problems are the most of your worries if you're 55.

[Virbius]

Originally Posted by merecat

Never once when smoking meth did my dog want to put down the pipe. my dog only stopped when she passed out from days of not sleeping, or because she ran out of product.

Never did I insinuate that it was an absolute, I said it often happens that when a user reaches a good high from good meth, they will want to put the pipe down... (even if its just until they loose the high). I mentioned this primarily in contrast to injecting or taking orally, in which overdose can more easily happen.

[The Dmachine]

I used Meth once, it was a terrible friggin experience. Worse than any other drug I have ever used. Left me in a friggin daze for 4 days... terrible, evil substance. If someone is 55 they should have enough wisdom to know that Meth is for white trash.

[The Dmachine]

And no it probably wont hurt you if you used it infrequently, but yes it is POSSIBLE it could kill you at 55. At 55 your arteries and blood vessels are thinner, more brittle, even if you are healthy you have some plaque build up due to cholesterol.
I would say smoking meth, causing a drastic increase in heart rate for an extended period of time, increasing blood pressure would put even a healthy 55 year old at risk for stroke or possibly heart attack.
Really a 55 year old should have much more wisdom. How can smoking meth help you mentaly, spiritualy, or physicaly? It can't. It dosn't add to your life, it only takes from it, and when you are 55 you should be looking to find real happiness and a connection with God.

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	No one is here to bash eachothers views on 'worthwhile' substances. Stop being a flagrantly insulting poster just becaus...
	white trash?

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by The Dmachine

Really a 55 year old should have much more wisdom. How can smoking meth help you mentaly, spiritualy, or physicaly? It can't. It dosn't add to your life, it only takes from it, and when you are 55 you should be looking to find real happiness and a connection with God.

While swim would tend to agree that his personal experience with amphetamines has been less than enlightening, the intentions and outcomes of swiyour experiences are not of his determination. Methamphetamine can help swiy mentally as a recreational substance, just as other substances can facilitate a positive recreational experience without the grandeur of spiritual awakening or cognitive exploration. It is difficult to make such assumptions about the lifestyle and intentions of another swimmer, just as it is difficult for them to understand swiyour intentions in their personal endeavors. There is no requirement that the altered-state experience be used to facilitate health, education, or spirituality, and certainly no assumed destinational relationship with God.

To each swimmer their own.

Please do not pass judgement on the intentions of others by making blanket statements about their recreational, spiritual, or medical substance use.

[The Dmachine]

Originally Posted by Shampoo

While swim would tend to agree that his personal experience with amphetamines has been less than enlightening, the intentions and outcomes of swiyour experiences are not of his determination. Methamphetamine can help swiy mentally as a recreational substance, just as other substances can facilitate a positive recreational experience without the grandeur of spiritual awakening or cognitive exploration. It is difficult to make such assumptions about the lifestyle and intentions of another swimmer, just as it is difficult for them to understand swiyour intentions in their personal endeavors. There is no requirement that the altered-state experience be used to facilitate health, education, or spirituality, and certainly no assumed destinational relationship with God.

To each swimmer their own.

Please do not pass judgement on the intentions of others by making blanket statements about their recreational, spiritual, or medical substance use.

We can use common sense to determine that Methamphetamine use is not good. I have tried meth (as well as many other substances) so I do not condemn those who are curious... But I think it is fairly obvious that certain substances, like Meth, have very little value in society or in one's life. I have yet to meet a meth head who uses meth to get in touch with God, though I have met many meth heads who live a life of torment.

By your same argument, if I told someone to have more wisdom than to drink lysol, or huff inhalents, one could say not to pass judgement. And my response to you would be that I have not passed judgement, I am just offering advice that should be obvious, especially to a grown adult.

I believe that everyone should have the right to choose what they put into their bodies, it is not for the government to decide, but at the same time
we should personally have enough wisdom, as adults, to know what substances are worthwhile and which aren't. And I'm sorry friend but meth is one substance that is obviously not worthwhile.

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by The Dmachine

We can use common sense to determine that Methamphetamine use is not good. I have tried meth (as well as many other substances) so I do not condemn those who are curious... But I think it is fairly obvious that certain substances, like Meth, have very little value in society or in one's life. I have yet to meet a meth head who uses meth to get in touch with God, though I have met many meth heads who live a life of torment.

By your same argument, if I told someone to have more wisdom than to drink lysol, or huff inhalents, one could say not to pass judgement. And my response to you would be that I have not passed judgement, I am just offering advice that should be obvious, especially to a grown adult.

I believe that everyone should have the right to choose what they put into their bodies, it is not for the government to decide, but at the same time
we should personally have enough wisdom, as adults, to know what substances are worthwhile and which aren't. And I'm sorry friend but meth is one substance that is obviously not worthwhile.

First of all, learn to SWIM.

I'm glad that Someone Who Isnt You was able to make a rational decision based on empirical experimentation through cognitively exploring the substance at hand. While swim has as well met more 'meth-heads' trudgning through their lives with a permanent sulking anxiety and sense of self-loathing, swim has also met many who use methamphetamines to potentiate other experiences, creating what McKenna refers to as a 'Peak Experience', which he specifies as being 'substance-blind' (meaning that which chemical or action creates the experience is not a factor in determining its validity). He explains that the content of the experience is valid regardless of the means of assertion. He uses this to justify reaching planes of existence ascertained through tryptamine ingestion that were earlier considered exclusively attainable through dedicated meditation and spiritual devotion. To invalidate cognitive exploration via any substance is pious, regardless of swiyour personal experience. Swim has never found cognitive exploration via 2c-I to be fruitful, though his very best friends swears by it.

swim and swiy agree that in their experience, methamphetamine has little (if anything) to offer, though another swimmers recreational substance of choice is not of their concern, rather, the topic of the thread (HEALTH) is the primary facet of concern. As it has been well determined that swiR should most likely avoid dabbling in methamphetamine recreation at their age, this thread seems satisfactorily complete.

Rainstripe, please update us on the choices your friend makes, and the deciding and resulting factors therein.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Yes. Amphetamines can put a huge strain on the heart, even if SWIY is in good shape generally.

It can cause some severe cardiovascular complications, even death.