Out Of The Body...Is this it????

[hazeinmybong2]

I love getting put in the floor. I wouldn't call that an OBE though. I naturally dream lucidly and an OBE is much different. I once ate 7.5g of mush and I felt like my brain/mind/soul did a summersault out of my third eye threw the floor and I was floating in this space and saw an island oasis with a man stranded on it, I gravitated towards it and it was me in the recliner I was sitting in. When I saw my startled looking face I was promptly sucked back into my normal paradigm. I was back, sitting in this chair, looking at my friends who had some strange looks on their faces. They said all of the sudden I just screamed at the top of my lungs. I don't recall screaming so I think it was my body releasing my being.

[Alfa]

It's a start though. Can't expect to go summersaulting right away. At least not everybody can. If you do that on psychedelics, chances are good thatyou can see how to go further.

[hazeinmybong2]

Juxtapose your disposition.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by HazeInMyBong

Juxtapose your disposition.

No comprende!

[hazeinmybong2]

Juxtapose: To place side by side, especially for comparison or contrast. An OBE is to juxtapose your mind/soul to adifferent frame of reference.

[max17]

Many religions beleive that all people have souls and when you see yourself lying on the bed it's actually your soul got "separated" from your body and wondering around. Some people also beleive that it's dangereous because thare is a chance that you wouldn't be able to return back to your body.

[yuval]

supposedly you can have OBE quite easily in a sense depravation tank e.g. www.samadhitank.com


physics nobel prize winnerfeynmann used to do that a lot - it was easier when he was stoned. he'd shift his point of view to other points in his body e.g. his heels- and then outside altogether.


you can read about it in his autobiography, "surely you're joking", or on the net e.g. http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2783.html:


"While experimenting with his mind and memories in Lilly's tanks, Feynman also met Baba Ram Das, formerly Professor Richard Alpert of Harvard, friend of Timothy Leary and author of Be Here Now. Das instructed Feynman in how to achieve out of body experiences, which Feynman accomplished while in the tank"

[korky8097]

that is a very good state to produce a OBE. Just read up on
astral projection and OBE and stuff, read how to's and stuff. If
you feel that kinda body buzz deal that comes with it, you are prime to
have an astral projection. And in order to return to your body,
all you have to do is think about it and you are there. It is
believed by some that, you know when you are half asleep and you feel
you are falling and then that snap at the end? Well many believe
this is your astral body reconnecting to your real body. Real
interesting stuff, it is easier to acheive an OBE on a drug, but you
cannot reach higher plains when on drugs. I had a time in my life
where i was totally into these things, read a shit load about it all so
if yall have any questions i will probably be able to answer it.

[yuval]

korky8097:


did you have many OBEs? were they rare or could you have them by will if the setting was right?


what technique would you recommend for a beginner?


peace


yuval

[korky8097]

Ive had a few, i know i could if i wanted to on most all of them, and
some i get really close but i cant quite pull out of my body. For
a beginner something you might want to try is meditation to get your
charkas charged, i think that thing on dextroverse that you listen to
on dxm charges charkas maybe. Isnt neccisary but a good
idea. Then when you find yourself in this state, relax, once you
are completely relaxed you should feel a weird buzzing kinda thing
going on, at this point you have to find a way to get out of your
body. A few ways are pretending a magnet is on your celing and it
is pulling you, another is trying to roll out like try to roll out of
your bed, or try to climb an pretend rope up. This is by far the
hardest part, once you are out and away from your body (your body is
like a magnet pulling your astral body in so the further away you get
from it the easier and more lucid things are), get away from your body
and explore. Think about your astral body as having eyes on every
inch of your head, you have more than a 360 degree view, so in some
cases you will open doors they will lead to different rooms that door
normaly wouldnt go to. So try to keep a sense of direction
strait, you can usually just go through walls though. To get back
to your body, just think about it and bam, you are there. Let me
know how it goes, good luck, and if you see things that are scary,
remember that they cannot harm you in any way.

[Mezza]

have experienced sleep paralysis occasionally. the first time i did in fact experience myself being attacked (chased) by a malevolent being! i

My kid brother had several of these experiences. During periods of high-stress in his life (he was a Marine), he'd wake up but couldn't move. He described a couple of experiences where he saw 'demons' comming toward him - in fact a couple times they even attacked and started biting him.


One of the most disturbing instances - a black shadow demon outlined in blue ran toward him - he snapped out of the sleep paralysis the instant it was over him and he grabbed 'it' in a spontaneous self-defense reflex. The demon disappeared and he came to sexually aroused and nauseated.


They say sleep paralysis runs in families and I do remember getting it when I was a kid - but nothing like that.


Mezza

[korky8097]

yeah, it can be many things, sometimes even a dream. THat sounds like a
horrific experience to go through, he might have even been in the
astral world(sp) and the demons were astral demons or even people who
died and are stuck in the astral world. Theres many theories on
this stuff, it could have been a dream, but who knows. Just
remember they can scare you all they want, but they cant hurt you or
posses your body.

[[azu]]

I used to have this 2-3 times a week between the ages of about 5 yeras old to 12 years old. Scary as hell the first couple of times but after a while you know that if you just wait the feeling will come back, beginning with your finger tips and toes and eventually you are able to get up agein. Haven't had it ever since though. Did experience something else in my sleep, sort of a lucid dream kind of thing, where I found myself floating about two feet above my bed and slowly moving towards a light in the window. In retrospect, must have been the street light or something. Anyway, Mezza is right, it runs in the family, my uncle used to have it too.

[yuval]

recently went through 3 OBEs and wanted to share:



first 2 were last month in a meditation festival here in israel. there
was a booth demonstrating a "tachyon energy" (god only knows what that
is) cocoon, where you are partly wrapped with silicon discs that are
supposedly charged with this tachyon energy. you lie on a mattress for
30 minutes. i tried to meditate, kinda wondered off, and when they told
me to come out i realized i wasn't in my body. there was a sense of
coziness and comfort and fluffiness but these are all words that
describe physical qualities and in fact there was no sense of physique
involved at all. i then thought of my body and snapped back into it.



it was so cool i came back the next day, and the same thing happened:
tried to meditate, mind wondered off, when they told me to come out i
realized i wasn't in my body.



they wanted $400 for the charged discs set, too bad it's pretty stiff in local currency, looks like a cool buy.



"Lying down in the cocoon, one will almost immediately
slip into a deep trance state, regardless of whether you are 'trying' to
meditate"

http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmak...yon%20Energy.h tml

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then yesterday tripping on some 400mg i meditate lying down, just
breath awareness nothing fancy. in 2 minutes i was pure consciousness
with no awareness to my body, and sustained that state for a few
minutes.

[Jatelka]

SWIM has had both sleep paralysis and "night terrors": A sensation of a malevolant being sitting on her chest (if only SWIM was a boy and that being had been a sexy succubus! Somehow my incubus wasn't quite the same!) These have only ever happened WITHOUT the influence of any mind-altering substances, although interestingly they alsohave onlyoccurred when she finally got to bed after being sleep-deprived for a long period.


Recently SWIM had had a heavy night, having taken more drugs than she has has ever taken in her life in a single session: MDMA powder, LSD and 120mg Valium, she had also drunk a significant (although unknown, quantity of rum), and had smoked an unknown number of spliffs.


She found herself wrapped in a coccoon of light, and was then aware of herself drifting away from her physical body (her partner who was also present reports that she was lying quietly, but still able to talk, and he was in no way worried re her safety) she very clearly recalls looking down at her physical body, and looking down at her partner and friends who were present. Everything seemed ultra-clear to her. She then moved out of the room andfound herself outside. She has to stress that she was at all times aware of her physical body but was never really aware of her "astral" body. She was enveloped in starlight, and felt as if the wind and starlight were merging with her, this state seemed to last a very long time/no time at all. She then felt very energised when she returned to her physical body, and proceeded to dance for some hours.(Partner recalls SWIM being very "subdued" for approx 30 mins)


SWIM has had similar experiences with the combination of LSD, MDMA and Valium before, but recalls this one far more vividly. Other experiences have been vague recollections, no more.


On this occasion SWIM had drunk a large quantitiy of alcohol, which she realises is a particularly unsafe thing to do with benzos on-board, and which is not something she would normally do. Maybe this effected the experience.


The idea of meditation inducing similar states is fascinating for SWIM, but she feels that somehow she lacks the attention span. All credit to those who can though

[~lostgurl~]

SWIM had sleep paralysis about 24 hours after taking prescribed Xanax for the first time, she was babysitting and the baby was taking a nap too, it totally freaked SWIM out. There was no OBE on this occasion.

On another occasion SWIM had OBE after injecting ketamine. It felt like a NDE but through research SWIM has learned that many people take ketamine for this purpose and it is supposedly quite safe. SWIM wont touch ketamine again now.

It is strange that some people (like SWIM) totally freak out with such experiences while others get so much pleasure out of it that they search for ways to repeat their experience. I wonder what factors lead to such different reactions?

[VincentVan]

I´ve read this thread with extreme interest because SWIM has experienced some similar phenomena but I´m not really sure that we are talking about the same thing.
I have been wondering for years what had happened to SWIM in those moments but I have never reached a definitive conclusion.
I would like to try to tell you SWIM´s story and to know if this is what you call sleep paralysis or OBE.

SWIM had been living and working in India for about 10 months. He and his wife (she was his girl friend at the time) had a beautiful house about 10 meters from a idyllic beach in Goa, a nice motorbike, a little dog and a job he loved.
SWIM was such a jerk that even in this conditions he managed to get a record breaking addiction to heroin, that there he found cheap, plentyful and of very good quality.
You can imagine how upset poor SWIM got when he learned that his indian job was over and that he would soon be moved to another location.
He thought about every possible option including getting lost and dying in India, but his girl told him that she would´nt stay with him if he did that and that we just had to get away and fight it out together.
So SWIM bought a big bottle of Valium in drops and with his girl flew over to the Maldives, taking his last shot of H in the plane between Trivandrum and Male.
To make a long story short they managed to find a beautiful lagoon with all necessary comforts to fight the beast before it hit .
And the day after hit it did.
It was awful, terrible, undescribeble,his girl got so scared that she radioed the flying ambulance, an hydroplane used for emergencies between the islands,(He managed to call back to say not to come).
SWIM clearly remembers that during an infernal night on a tropical paradise he squeezed some of his Valium drops in an apple juice and crashed on his sweaty bed.
He did´nt feel any better but fell in a curious state of cathalepsys in which he could not move or talk and all the room seemed to move around him.
He repeatedly tried to stand up or just to move and when he realized that it was impossible he just tried to call for help, but not a sound came out of his lips ,actually his lips did´nt move at all.
He new that his lips were´nt moving because he was looking directly at them.
He was looking at his pityful stinking body while standing right between the door of the bungalow and the table at the feet of the bed.
I say standing, but he reports of being aware that his feet did´nt really tough the floor . He´s quite sure of that, because when he moved to the side of the bed, better to look at his face trough the mosquito net , he did´nt need to walk.
He does´nt know how much time went by. He stayed there staring a for a while and then looked at the door left ajar and felt tempted to get out of the room ; but something told him not to do that, not to live that miserable clump of flash there on his own. He felt he needed him and at the same time felt compassion and sympathy for that poor disgusting thing on the bed and stayed at his side.
After an indefinible space of time, he is sure to remember hearing his girl approaching the room , he tried again to call or to move but there was no way of doing that. He saw her coming in; she called him but still he could not answer.
Only when she sat on the bed beside him , passed her fingers through his sticky hair and called him again he felt whole again .
The paralysis, or whatever it was, was gone ; and from that day he slowly started to feel better.
In those days a violent coup d´état was attempted in the Maldives.
There was kalashnikov´s fire in the streets of Male, and the airport was closed for nearly a month.
By the time it opened again I felt healthy and happy and was ready to take over my new job position , but the strange symptoms did´nt stop there.


I´m sorry but now I really have to run.
I will finish this story and tell you how those symptoms evolved tomorrow, as soon as I have the time .
I really would like to know what you think about it.
Your
VV.

[Alfa]

We will be waiting in suspense...

[VincentVan]

I´m sorry for the interruption .
Here´s what happened next.

Swim´s body proved surprisingly resilient; soon he was scuba diving, windsurfing and truly enjoying the excellent foods and his newfound sense of freedom.
Not only that. SWIM also found himself in that rare situation, envied by all his collegues : he was the only professional in a place where news were happening and that was unreacheable by the external world, as the only airport had been sabotaged and was closed for nearly a month.
SWIM was making money, his career prospects were bright, he was healthy and happy.
Still he could´nt stop thinking about that weird night. Those sensations never experienced before; and specially that almost ridicolous feeling of love, pity and empathy for his own person, for his own suffering body in need of help and comprehension.
He did´nt know exactly how or why, but somehow he felt that his present state of bliss and well being was in some indefinible way related, even tied , to the sensations of that calm night of fear, pain and full moon.

We next find SWIM in Sri Lanka.
The city of Colombo was under curfew from dusk to down . A particularly vicious civil war was bleeding a beautiful country SWIM already knew and had learned to love.
SWIM was working with an australian photographer he found particularly interesting and entertraining. SWIM always loved to be in the company of people he could learn something from.
This guy was about 20 years older than SWIM.
SWIM had heard of him before as he had made quite a name for himself in his field.
This Aussie had been in many interesting places during interesting times, including wartime Vietnam; and talking about that period, during a long car drive on nonexistent roads, the conversation turned to how basically everybody did drugs in those times; and how, yes, he too occasionally, still liked to "chase the dragon".
SWIM had never tried that way of smoking heroin, he was young, curious and he had an unbounded respect for that particular aussie; that same evening the two of them were inhaling the fumes of bliss and SWIM was back to square one.

When, after a couple of days , SWIM went back to his girl who had waited for him in the safety of a western hotel, he realized immediatly that he could´nt confess his shameful weakness.
Not to the only person who always belived in him, who constantly encouraged him, trusted him, loved him.
SWIM knew that from that time it was going to be necessary to lie.
And he did. And he felt bad about it. Very bad. Sometimes unbeareably bad.
Once as he was lying by a swimming pool thinking of what a mean, shallow,lieing parasite he was , it happened again.
SWIM was paralyzed.
He was´nt stoned; actually he had´nt touched any drugs in about a week, possibly more, apart maybe, for the occasional drop of Valium to sleep at night.
SWIM could´nt move a muscle. He was perfectly aware of where he was and what he was doing there, but he just could´nt do anything: neither call for help nor produce the slightest sound nor to change the expression on his face.
He remembers seeing a white jacketed waiter passing by, but still he was too far to be of any help and he did´nt have any possibility of attracting anybody´s attention to his plight.
It was terribly scary.
SWIM still does´nt know how long he had been liyng there but he knows it was a long time.
Again he was saved by his girl.
He still wanders if these are the kind of situations behind the stories of sleeping beauties and charming princes, although he finds it difficult to figure himself in the sleeping beauty´s role.
Anyway, as soon as she touched him and talked directly to him the spell was broken and the paralysis vanished.
SWIM thanked his girl and much relived tried to explain to her from what a frightening situation she had just saved him.
He still remembers her deep blue eyes, her serious but sweet expression and her sincere words: - You worry me.-

After that, these strange paralysis became a more common occourrence.
SWIM never tried again those unforgettable sensations of that night of full moon in the Maldives, but even though he managed to stay away from drugs (more or less) for the following three years or so , those paralysis became an integral part of his life, specially during periods in which he felt guilty,unworthy and inadequate.

Sorry guys.
I must run again . I´ll finish to tell SWIM´s weird story in a few hours time.
I hope I´m not boring you.
VV.

[Alfa]

Yes, this is what you call Out of body experiences and a form of sleep paralysis.
OBE is a perfectly normal phenomenon, which happens to all people frequently while asleep / dreaming. Certain psychoactives provoke OBE. Especially morphine & opiates. It is no coincidence that morphine was named after morpheus, the god of sleep. But you know all about that.

Sleep paralysis is a symptom. A way the psyche handles issues. The psyche has a most remarkable way of transforming issues that are to hot to handle, into other forms. Express them in another way. (As a side note: this is how ticks & most psychological illnesses are formed)

OBE does not have negative consequences. A harsh and sudden return to the body (also known as shellshock) can have negative consequences. But this is generally in the form of a decrease in well being for a short while. Do you know the feeling where you where dozing and all of the sudden you shock awake, like you fell into your body?

So why did this happen to SWIY? I think that SWIY already knows, but want confirmation to be sure. Why would SWIY detach from himself in such a way while his girl is the only one who can relieve him from this state?

Originally Posted by VincentVan

SWIM knew that from that time it was going to be necessary to lie.
And he did. And he felt bad about it. Very bad. Sometimes unbeareably bad.

Originally Posted by VincentVan

Anyway, as soon as she touched him and talked directly to him the spell was broken and the paralysis vanished.

My bet is that at all of the times that these experiences occured, the same or simular feelings of guilt towards SWIY's girl where at issue. Further heroin has without a doubt been a contributing factor.

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Something, probably my misconceived sense of pride, dont like this explanation,but until now is the only one that makes ...

[Nagognog2]

A Simian Bongo was familiar with some years ago related an experience he underwent. It involved the i.v. use of cocaine.

His girlfriend was a nurse at a local hospital, and he asked her to snatch a few syringes, which she did. He wanted to see for himself the euphoria he'd heard about from the i.v. administration of cocaine. So they set about getting things ready. Let's suffice to say he really, really, really liked the effect. And he kept on going like the Energizer-Bunny with a needle in his arm. The nurse abstained and told him to cool it - or it might kill him. But he wanted "just one more." He got that, and then some.

This time he dumped a large amount of the cocaine into the syringe. no measuring, just dumped it. And he shot it up. He blacked out and found himself outside the apartment by the bedroom window where he had been injecting himself. Then he looked in the window and saw his girlfriend doing what looked like CPR on some person laying on the bed. There was another girl as well. He wondered what the hell was going on. Then he realized the person on the bed was himself. He (or whatever he was at this point) began pounding on the window and yelling. The two women looked up towards the window with startled (!) expressions. One came to the window and opened it.

The next thing he knew he was sitting up in the bed. The two women (the other was a neighbor who heard the nurse scream for help) told him they saw something at the window, but they couldn't say what. It was like a light in the shape of an egg. And they just felt that they should open the window. The nurse explained to my Simian associate that after he shot up the last load, his eyes rolled up in his head and fell beck on the bed. She took his pulse and found none. He was, for all purposes, clinically dead. She screamed for help and began CPR. The neighbor came in and called an ambulance in this time. All told, about 4 or 5 minutes had transpired from the time of the injection, and the Simian sitting up again. So they say. I asked all parties to this to repeat the story for me - separately. They were the same.

Don't ask me. I wasn't there.

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great read

[podge]

ya iv had sleep paralysis but never any visuals.just a weird kinda helpless feeling.

[VincentVan]

Ok.
I just read Nagong ´s story and re-read SWIM´s and basically that´s it.
SWIMS moved around to quite a few more places but for the next 7 or eight years sometimes he just fell in that frightening state of cathalepsis until someone,( actually it was always the same person), shook him out of his misery.
With time the intervals between one episode and another one became longer and longer and during the last period he became able , when paralyzed, to produce a low , droning , guttural noise, so that his wife knew that she had to intervene.
The last of these episode must have happened at least 8 years ago and SWIM really hopes he has seen the last of them.
He does´nt like to talk about it much, so he tried to get some informations here and there to try to understand what happened to him and why, but he never arrived to any satisfing explanations.
If you have any theory he ´ll be glad to hear it.

Nagong´s story is extremely spooky; but notwithstanding a few similarities I´m not sure that it´s related to SWIM´s .
The first difference is that for what I understood Nagong´s episode was kind of isolated, while SWIM was convinced ( and maybe still is) that his maldivian full moon night had an important significance in what happened to him and the way he felt for the following many months maybe years.
The second is that even if in different form and in an extremely attenuated intensity, the "episodes" (as he calls them) continued for many years; and even though he might be wrong about this, he has no doubt that the subsequent "paralysis" were somehow intimately related with that first scary night in the tropics.
The third difference is that , from the account Nagong gives, he did´nt seem to have been neither unnecessarily worried nor excessively shaken by his experience; at least no more than you would expect from someone who nearly escapes death for overdose. On the contrary , for many years, not a day went by without SWIM wandering what on earth had happened to him.

I understand that probably in these kind of things no two stories are the same, and that different people react differently when they happen to them, but, if you had the patience to read all three installement of SWIM´s story, please tell me: is this what you call OBE and sleep paralysis? Why do this happen? And lastly: does it have any consequences?
Thanks for the attention
VV.

[Nagognog2]

I am sure it had an effect on the Simian. He was very strung out on drugs when this happened to him, and I'm sure that even the drugs he was using couldn't mask needing someone to open a window so he could get back in his body from having an effect on his psyche. However about a year after this, he committed himself to a hospital for treatment of multiple drug dependencies. His parents were ecstatic that he did this. So happy were they that they took away his address book and he was never allowed to call any of his old friend's again - aside from one phone call to tell those who knew him that he could never be our friend again, and that he was under a doctor's care. He was 26 at the time.

He's probably at the airport selling flowers for the Moonies now, and popping some debilitating psychiatric medication.

[desolated000]

I get that feeling when I'm half awake all the time. Especially when I'm having a vivid dream, and I wake up, but dont get up, I'm like dreaming awake and beleive everything that I'm imagineing is actually happening. I can even hear my concious mind talking to the part of me thats asleep. "Get up, get up" it says, but the side of me that is asleep just wants to continue dreaming. Sometimes, I'll be so into it, that I move in my dream, and I do that same motion subconciously, usually waking me up.

All that btw, has is under no influence of drugs.