Out Of The Body...Is this it????

[Darkotic]

Ever have that thing where you're lying in bed... half-awake,
half-asleep, and you can't move! Like, you're paralyzed, scared, and
slightly hallucinating? It's known as Sleep Paralysis by the "experts",
but the other night, this happened and I just let myself go. I saw
myself lying on the bed and completely FROKE OUT! Is this truly an OBE?




Anyone here have this thing at night?



Should I keep doing it?

[Dualpower]

Sleep paralysis can also be a symptom of narcolepsy, but if you don't
have that there's no harm will come from engaging the experience.



Here's a cool page I found with some stuff from the "experts" on it -



Main page:

http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html



Out of Body Experiences page:

http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/ube.html#obe



You should consider yourself lucky. Most people would looove to have these kinds of experiences naturally.

[Dualpower]

Oh and yes .. if you see your body lieing on your bed and you're not in it - that's an OBE.



Swim has gotten OBE's with mushrooms before. They weren't in reference
to their person (i.e. not watching themselves), rather they were flying
through outerspace - completely gone from the human world.

[Darkotic]

I'm sober when it happens... Never had it happen on anything good.
Thing is, I seem to have no control over it. Usually, I just want to
sleep and it will happen spontaneously, and often.



I'll check out those links.



Also, what other things can you have OBE's while your on?

[Dualpower]

Well, it's too bad that you don't neccesarily want it to happen. But
seriously, some people practice meditating for years to achieve that
sort of ability. Whether you like it or not is another question I
suppose.



You can get OBE's off just about anything you can trip off.



From swim's experience: lsd, mushrooms, marijuanna (if intolerant), salvia, dxm, dmt



But probably more.



Someone in your situation might have a great time with weed if it makes
you sleepy. I imagine those OBE's in combination with weed would lead
to some psychedellic fun.

[cyalume]

wow that is some interesting stuff. The one link talked about people who suffer from the sleep paralysis off hallucinate and find themselves being attacked by a malevolent being for several moments until they come back to this world... fuckin creepy

[billyloner]

have experienced sleep paralysis occasionally. the first time i did in fact experience myself being attacked (chased) by a malevolent being! i was being chased by it, kinda in a dream, then suddenyl found myself in my room, unable to move, and i just knew the being was just out of sight. was kinda scary. in the morning after i woke up i realised it was sleep paralysis. the few occasions ive had it since then, i havent been chased but just found myself in my room unable to move. its kinda cool now im used to it. bit weird though, specially that first time.

[sunyata]

You lucky bastard, I try to achieve this every night by self-hypnosis. Haven't had any luck going out of my body yet, but I'm getting better at sleep-paralysis. Sometimes it feels like something is going on, like there's something out there, but I don't get any visuals. For some reason I seem to be unable to break the barrier between ordinary consciousness and dream consciousness, unless I fall asleep. Does anyone have any tips on how to brak through, besides continued practice of course? I'd be very grateful.

[RoboCop]

I always wondered about this! Thank you for bringing it up, I get this on a monthly basis. I used to always get this "sleep paralysis" and never knew what it was. Usually when I used to sleep in school, I'd be half asleep but aware of my sleeping, try to wake/look up but I couldn't I couldn't move at all, but was trying to get up, the first time this happened to me was pretty scary. Eventually I got control and was able to look up and awaken from my partial sleep. I always am sober when this happens and it has happened a lot since then. Never much of a problem but I always wondered what it was.

[29skidoo]

I found it interesting that your sleep paralysis occured while sleeping in class.



While in college I worked as a night watchman. Often the shift would
get so boring that I allowed myself to drift off to sleep. That is when
I'd frequently awaken, but find myself completely paralyzed. I'd hear
voices and feel the presence of other people. It usually took intense
concentration for my mind to link back to my motor functions. Of
course, when I came back to normal consciousness, there was nobody
there.



I've often wondered whether there is a link between sleep paralysis and
going to sleep under conditions where part of the mind needs to remain
vigilant. Both sleeping in class and while at work seem to fit this
condition. If there is such a link, one might expect soldiers under
combat conditions to experience a high rate of sleep paralysis.



I've only had one bona fide OBE. I was stone cold sober and don't
recall any transition. One moment I was awake, and the next moment I
was hovering over my body and drifting away. Once I realized what was
happening, I freaked and snapped back into my body. Felt really weird
for about an hour after that.

[xctico]

Originally Posted by Dualpower

marijuanna (if intolerant)

what do you mean intolerant to weed? what are the effects?



As for OBE's, I've got a few, sober, on weed and on peyote. Very nice
expirience once you get over the initial fear and just let go. I had
one that was very intense a few days ago when I was sleeping. I did
some taoist meditation for a while before going to sleep, moving
energie throught the chakras and stuff [it feels GOOD, it's like x
without the drugs], then I lay down and go to sleep. Soon afterwards I
woke up in a totally different room, got saw the world from other
people's eyes. Very nice expierience.

is better no to be affraid of it, but just flow with it. Once you learn
to control your spirit while out of your body, you can have a good
time.

[xctico]

Originally Posted by sunyata

You lucky bastard, I try to achieve this every night by
self-hypnosis. Haven't had any luck going out of my body yet, but I'm
getting better at sleep-paralysis. Sometimes it feels like something is
going on, like there's something out there, but I don't get any
visuals. For some reason I seem to be unable to break the barrier
between ordinary consciousness and dream consciousness, unless I fall
asleep. Does anyone have any tips on how to brak through, besides
continued practice of course? I'd be very grateful.

You're
trying too hard.
In order to have an OBE the body needs to be asleep, unless you're
really good [I'm taking shaolin here]. You just need to go to sleep
while focusing on leaving your body. Then there is the part of
realizing that you're no longer awake, going into lucid dreaming. It
helps to ask yourself several times a day wether or not you're awake,
and trully look for evidence around you that tells you that you are.

One you get to be lucid in your dreams you can either trip inside your body - play God- or go out for an OBE.

[sunyata]

Thanks, I'll keep trying. I am starting to remember my dreams a lot more, I tell myself "tonight, I will be conscious in my dream", and it seems help me remember them at least. Had a weird dream in which i died a week ago, I die often in my dreams, but this time I didn't wake up, I just lay there until I got bored and got up, in the dream. It felt really euphoric, being dead, but still able to walk around in the dream. I felt real good the next day.


I've been smoking huge amounts of cannabis every day for many years, and I don't dream much when I'm stoned. But the past couple of months I've only been smoking in the weekends and my dreams are becoming more and more clear and frequent. Fascinating, to say the least.

[Dualpower]

what do you mean intolerant to weed? what are the effects?

When I was younger I couldn't handle weed at all. If I even had one
toke I would be very quickly paralyzed and almost completely unable to
speak.



Once I actually fell down to my knees and "shot" out of this
world - I could hear voices of people around me but the were very
distant. It sounded like they were talking to me from the other end of
a very long tunnel. I only noticed the voices because I was trying very
hard to come back to reality. I was blasting through twisting geometric
landscapes that churned out heavy electronic sounding music and noise.
When I came back I was bleeding where my knees had skidded across the
carpet and people were surrounding me asking me if I was allright. I
proceeded to crawl mechanically to a nearby couch to lie down and trip
out hardcore.



I don't get this effect anymore, dissapointingly, but small amounts of
weed still take me too far away from reality to be enjoyable in a
social setting (which is the only place I ever get it since I don't
actively go buying it).



So by "intolerant" I mean people who have disproportionately strong
reactions to weed can experience OBE's with it fairly easily.

[antizero]

I've felt paralyzed like that before, but usually in the parts of my body that I had fallen asleep on. (usually my arms)

[antizero]

I'm not sure if this is an out of body experience... but one time I was
on a 'vacation' in upstate NY... and as I was going to bed, I was
comfortable... listening to some music and laying in bed... and I sort
of drifted to sleep, woke up and looked around.. then layed back
down... as soon as I layed down a sharp chill traveled throughout my
spine and the rest of my body... and I closed my eyes. I opened
them and what I saw and felt when I opened them is something I cannot
fully describe with words...



I was no longer with my body, but my mind was seemingly in a space full
of a sortof neon white glow... and the sound which I could only compare
to a nuclear bomb going off over and over again... I thought I had died
and I was in some sort of... afterlife, but it was more like another
spectrum of physical space that was made from pure energy, and nothing
existed but my mind and this space. I then realised to myself
that I was dead, and then I seemed to be back in my body, I blinked my
eyes and shuddered in my bed, turned off my music and went back to
sleep... all the time thinking that I had just witnessed something
incomprehensible.



Has anyone ever felt anything like this?



I wasn't on anything when this happened by the way.

[sunyata]

I've heard you can do these sort of things in deep meditation or deep hypnosis(pretty much same state of mind), a lot of people do these kind of things spontaneously for some reason. Maybe you were a sjaman or a mystic in your previous life. I've had some strange experiences when going into sleep, but they fade as quickly as I become aware of them, sadly.


Keep posting these kind of experiences people, I love reading about them, whether they were drug-induced or not. Drugs are just triggers, the content of such experiences are within us and can also be triggered by other techniques than drugs, or spontaneously.

[antizero]

Yeah, I don't entirely believe in past/next lives. I'm also
agnostic so I don't really believe that there is a god, but I do
believe in a sort of soul... like who we are is some sort of energy
which resonates and is attracted to like energies.



(I'd get into my philosophical beliefs in detail, but right now i'm tired and I have to piss, maybe tomorrow)

[xctico]

I've had a several of outer body experiences, but I've never actually
been fully lucid during them, though it happen mostly without any
substances, I felt as if I where druged out on valium, not able to be
fully awake.

A few days ago I meditated for a while before going to sleep and woke
up in a different place, but I thought if I moved I would wake up my
body, so I didn't realy move around, but I just percieved that place
from a lying down position.

I've had a couple of OBE with drugs, once with peyote and at least once with weed [high quantitie and high quality].

I frecuently have a feeling like I'm moving my spiritual arms and legs
out of their pshisical counterparts, I get this by meditating on it a
few seconds, I feel as if I could percieve on a higher than phisical
level.

[xctico]

Originally Posted by Dualpower

When I was younger I couldn't handle weed at all. If I even had one
toke I would be very quickly paralyzed and almost completely unable to
speak.



Once I actually fell down to my knees and "shot" out of this
world - I could hear voices of people around me but the were very
distant. It sounded like they were talking to me from the other end of
a very long tunnel. I only noticed the voices because I was trying very
hard to come back to reality. I was blasting through twisting geometric
landscapes that churned out heavy electronic sounding music and noise.
When I came back I was bleeding where my knees had skidded across the
carpet and people were surrounding me asking me if I was allright. I
proceeded to crawl mechanically to a nearby couch to lie down and trip
out hardcore.



I don't get this effect anymore, dissapointingly, but small amounts of
weed still take me too far away from reality to be enjoyable in a
social setting (which is the only place I ever get it since I don't
actively go buying it).



So by "intolerant" I mean people who have disproportionately strong
reactions to weed can experience OBE's with it fairly easily.

Good, so Im not the only one who trips hardcore with a little bid of pot.
Though I usually look for this kind of experience by not smolking
regularly and doing it so in specific ways when I do smoke [e.g. with a
vaporizer].

cool.

[dastardlymonkey]

It happens to me on lots of opiates, and by lots I mean lots.

[VincentVan]

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<LABEL id=HbSession SessionId="1837142476" SessionId="1513546806">I´ve wandered for years what could be wrong with me.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476">For some time , some years ago, I lied paralized on a couch or bed unable to move or say anything until somebody (nearly always my wife, my girl friend then) Would say something. A word would be enough to free me from that horrible situation.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476">One of the scariest experiences of my life has been lyng on a Singapore hotel room alone , paralized for hours until she came back. I´ll never ever forget it. It was one of the first times it happened to me and I thought I was gonna be paralized forever.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476">It was a period I just kicked cold turkey an horrible H habit I had got living in Goa (India); and I had been clean for a couple of months. These horrible experiences went on for 4 or 5 years , until I started to be able to anticipate the outset or make a low droning noise so that my wife could shake me out of it.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476">Twice I saw myself lyng down. Once from the top and once from the left side. But I´ll tell you another time about it because I have to go to work.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476">I never met anybody who had the same experiences , and besides my wife I never spoke to anybody about it, Let me know if you tried something similar.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476"> So long.</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476"> "Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven" Milton. "Paradise Lost".</LABEL>


<LABEL SessionId="1837142476"></LABEL>Edited by: elio

[bowlingforcindy]

damn this happened to me other night. a couple weeks after my last ket trip. i was trying to get to sleep, completely detoxacated aswel, not sure if i was totally sleep. but it was like i was dreaming and still awake. and i just saw my self falling on the doorstep really bloody slowly. i was dying i think. i freaked out and lost control and just shook and flew outa my bed. was proper scary. out of body experience. was nothin like the k hole experience when you feel like your out of your body and dead, much worse. was sweating rate bad after.

[brooklyn718]

Sleep paraliyses is totally natural and happens to everyone. The only thing i noticed strange is it occures more with daily pot use.

[Alfa]

Opiates have a tendency toward OBE, but most of them will not be very conscious. I like OBE on psychedelics the most. Here's a litle game for you: Do this with a friend in a relaxed environment, if posible on the first floor or higher. Lay belly down, on the floor, arms in front of you. Keep your eyes closed. Your friend will grab your hands and will lift you until your torso is almost upright. Then your friend will let you hang there for a while and at some point drop you down just a few centimeters. It is important to decrease this altitude of these few centimeters/inches at once. Then your friend will let your hang there for a while again and will drop you a bit more again. Your friend will proceed to drop you a bit like mentioned above until the floor is reached. He/she will take as much time as possible. Say high to your downstairs neigbours from me. This has worked best for me with acid, various psychedelic amphetamines or combination of the former.


Edited by: Alfa