Opinions - Coke or Meth

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by JaWill88

yes swim knows it's not good idea to inject adderall he has done it but doesn't do it. btw swim knows that adderall is a racemic mixture (d and l) and all that stuff. swim just finds it weird to him that there isn't methamphetamine just amphetamine being that it's not all that hard to go to meth from amp. plus swims never been out of US besides canada so he's never seen amphetamine powder unless it's crushed adderall lol. are there a lot of people who inject amphetamine over there? that would be like injecting adderall just without all the binders and shit in it.

It is illegally made amphetamine sulphate and looks like crystally, putty. Alot of chronic users inject it.

[zera]

I wonder how much of the attribution of a "dirty" high to meth and a general euphoria to cocaine is due to actual differences in the substances reputation and how that affects the user's mind set. If you sell someone a very expensive wine they will tell you it unequivocally tastes better than a cheap wine, yet often times in double-blind taste tests people say there is no difference. I remember a Penn & Teller episode where they fill up very fancy bottles with hose water and tell people its premium bottle water, and everyone was saying they could taste the difference.

The power of suggestion is very powerful. If meth was associated with chic parties in Park Avenue brownstones and all-night orgies in trendy LA clubs, and coke was associated with sketchy trailer park tweakers who look like they should be on Jerry Springer, would people's assessment be the same? Hell in an experiment people couldn't tell in a double-blind test the difference between mushrooms and ritalin, do you really think the subjective difference between meth and coke is that much?

In swims experience, all of the talk of "dirtiness" associated with meth in this thread is little more than placebo and the power of suggestion.

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exactly

[Swimster]

but from the substance itself.

Not true. It's due to reduced saliva, which causes tooth decay. a user should brush teeth good. Same goes for the "looks", take care of swiys self.

[ImSoHappy]

o okay my fault, well either way SWIM using meth will still make him much more prone to tooth decay where as cocaine will not. And looks wise meth spurs things in some users that can't be avoided such as dramatically oily/acne covered skin and the intense urge to pick at ones skin resulting in a "meth sore".

[Britannia]

I've always thought of meth as a dirty drug, and I will never do it.

Coke is often referred to as the champagne of drugs, and SWIM definitely agrees with such a moniker.

Coke > meth, always.

[merecat]

Parrot wishes to re-iterate those who advise coke before meth. Meth is like visiting pluto; while coke is like a trip to the moon.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by merecat

Parrot wishes to re-iterate those who advise coke before meth. Meth is like visiting pluto; while coke is like a trip to the moon.

And coming down off cocaine is like crashing back to Earth from the moon, coming down from methamphetamine is like crashing back from pluto.

[desperado]

dont eva do meth mate

or do it as long as you know u wont be able to get it again

[Benga]

this thread is starting to loop. Especially since there's a similar one in the amphetamine forum....

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[Longsleeves]

MOD DELETED for self incrimination, to be reposted by op in ths thread. read the rules.
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[Archenemy]

To the poster above, Don't self Incriminate! Use SWIM.

[sashamotto]

A Meth Addict: Likely homeless, poor family ties, no job, no sleep, no girls, EI cheques, etc. Oh and poor hygiene and not to mention lack of social acceptance. No rock star does meth, it's all about the class. It's like a cheap whore fix, it will do the job and last you longer because it TWEAKS you OUT OF YOUR MIND BIG TIME.

A Cokehead: Classy, symbolizes wealth and living the life, lots of cultural significance etc. Oh and it's Gonzo's drug of choice. You love to love it. It will consume you with it's constant need for attention. It doesn't make you feel dirty after you use, as much as meth. Comedown is smoother. Cost also helps you keep moderation (on a day-to-day basis at least, but not when binging). Bad things? It requires a lot of time to keep oneself high for the time it gets you high. You have to rack lines every 15-45 minutes and that takes like 5 mins each time, but that's because playing with 'em lines is so hypnotic. SWIM likes the numbs with smokes, but sometimes its annoying especially if SWIM should be eating a family meal when all the food tastes like cardboard.

Anyways, I ramble.

[sweetsweetmary]

No rock star does meth, it's all about the class. It's like a cheap whore fix, it will do the job and last you longer because it TWEAKS you OUT OF YOUR MIND BIG TIME.

Ha ha, What about britney spears? I'm sure lots of Rock stars have done meth. Meth doesn't crush all users. It crushes the ones with no will power or with addiction issues. Most users can use meth for a night, have a great time and not do it again for another couple months or so. SWIM used it 6 or 7 times in a year, then never touched it again because SWIM thought cocaine is better, at least for the one night binders. Also for SWIM, after 5 years of every weekend cocaine use, SWIM had no problem quitting. sWIm would call it zero addiction. That's just SWIM.

[zera]

Originally Posted by sashamotto

A Meth Addict: Likely homeless, poor family ties, no job, no sleep, no girls, EI cheques, etc. Oh and poor hygiene and not to mention lack of social acceptance...

A Cokehead: Classy, symbolizes wealth and living the life, lots of cultural significance etc. Oh and it's Gonzo's drug of choice. You love to love it. It will consume you with it's constant need for attention...

Banker's Club Vodka: Likely homeless, a loser, drunk all the time, no money, no girls, etc.

Johnny Walker Blue Label: Classy guy, has a lot of money to spend and living the life, highly regarded as a very fine Scotch.

Conclusion: Banker's Club Vodka will fuck you up and ruin your life! If you stick to Johnny Walker Blue Label, you'll be alright and have positive effects.

[Swimster]

What is known: Meth is more powerfull in duration and euphoria. It has a difference in action compared to cocaine. Think of this comparison: SSRI's to MDMA ! (excluding additional effects of MDMA, but as far as Serotonin increase goes.) MDMA deffinatrly wins. So, partialy, Cocaine:Methamphetamine is like ssri's:MDMA.

[PHARM] Cocaine Keeps dopamine in Synaptic gaps longer, where as Methamphetamine forces out dopamine from neurons projecting the dopamine, AND is also said to "have DRI effects" (which is coke's main action)

So, think about cocaine, but with an additional effect (forcing out dopamine)

heres a great link: http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchRepo...methamph3.html

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by Swimster

What is known: Meth is more powerfull in duration and euphoria. It has a difference in action compared to cocaine. Think of this comparison: SSRI's to MDMA ! (excluding additional effects of MDMA, but as far as Serotonin increase goes.) MDMA deffinatrly wins. So, partialy, Cocaine:Methamphetamine is like ssri's:MDMA.

[http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchRepo...methamph3.html

Off topic sorry: I was always under the impression SSRI type anti depressants do not release serotonin but stop the reuptake of serotonin that was already there, and that MDMA actually does cause the release of serotonin, in large amounts.

Back on topic, methamphetamine releases more units of dopamine than cocaine so in that way it is 'better'.

However SWIM finds amphetamines have a 'dirty' feeling in the general, pure motor driven stimulation accompanied by paranoia. It is all a matter of opinion I suppose.

[jcjcsoccerkid]

just take 6 or 7 adderall, you'll feel fine

and you will have wasted less money.

[Teenage Dirtbag]

It all depends on what you're using it for. Swim usually uses cola when she is partying because the euphoria is much more intense, but uses meth when she wants to get some real work done because it lasts longer and it's easier to hide the fact that she's spun out

[metalhd702]

ok this is coming from someone who has done his fare share of coke, good and bad, and was just recently introduced to meth. (done probably 3 all-dayers)
And like most post in this thread yes, swim DID think of meth as a "dirty" drug and said swim would never do it because swim hates the come down off of ecstacy-which is the leftover meth. or amp. BUT my curiousity got the better of swim and one day swi tried it.
Comparison:
Ok, swims only smoked meth, and people say it much different the snorting it, so this about smoked meth vs. snorted coke
METH: after taking a puff of meth you get this chilled-out feeling, like you just sat down after a hard day at work, and a CLEAN euphoria. But after not taking another puff for about 5 mins you start to feel like your getting amped up but once you hit the pipe again, its "chills you back out" and your good for another couple of mins.
this is why its so addictive because the next hit always makes you more CALM and gives more euphoria than the last so all you want to do is sit there and take more puffs from the pipe. but if you can't you don't freak out like not having a next line of cola.

All i can say is if you haven't tryed it then don't, because you WILL like it better than coke...

[anony]

Swim's oppnion:
Stay well away from meth. DO NOT TOUCH THIS SUBSTANCE!!

[Dexyfiend]

The way SWIM sees it, it's all about bang for your buck.

Meth over coke any day. It's cheaper, the high lasts about 15 times longer. Yeah the high from coke is slightly better but it's also more egocentric... you'll love talking about yourself on coke but on meth you'll do things that you might want to do and you can do ANYTHING for hours and hours.

SWIM keeps noticing ppl refering to meth as a 'dirty' drug. This makes little sense to SWIM he loves the high from amphetamines he sees nothing 'dirty' about it.

[Omalley]

Methamphetamine is partly responsible for hitler's part in WW2.
it is the same drug that made Nazi's capable of putting people into a furnace, throw babies into the air and shoot them, and also stick babies onto the end of their bayonets, if they were just sniffing coke i think things may have gone differently.

[metalhd702]

whats all this about meth is cheaper?
swim can get more snow for a hamilton ( good snow) then good meth.
but the meth is always the better "feeling"

i forgot what the rules say about prices but if your aloud post a range for a both.

[vantranist]

For weight Crystal may be more expensive but hit for hit, day for day, meth is a much cheaper addiction.

[raven3davis]

Although SWIM doesn't plan on touching either of these drugs in the foreseeable future, he was always supposedly a bigger fan of the yayo. Meth just lasted way too long and benzos didn't help bring him down at all. A few beers and some lines and he was good to go. The comedown really wasn't too bad for him either.

The high......meh. He much prefers heroine.

Once SWIM found out how to wash his coke with acetone he never touched uncleaned coke again. For little effort, SWIMs can make their coke a lot better and take out some of those nasty cuts.

The first time SWIM did meth it was amazing. He felt like superman and started doing push ups. The comedown wasn't bad either. Every time he tried it after that, the high was nowhere near as good as that first time and the comedowns were a lot worse.

SWIM wouldn't say meth is a dirty drug, thats all subjective. It makes him feel dirty though. Face gets all oily and shit. It's like the shit was seeping through his pores. If SWIM were a tweaker there is no way he would neglect his personal hygiene. If anything, he would be showering incessantly. It boils down to personal preference.

SWIM just ain't an upper kinda guy.

Stay safe everyone.