!Urgent: Your favorite, most euphoric oral prescription drug.

[mikebobjohn]

swim wants to know what your favorite prescrition drug is to take orally. It doesn't have to be an opiate; it doesn't have to kill pain. Just list anything that isn't a psychadelic (the more opiate specific part of this post comes at the end).

Please list the drugs you find most euphoric and enjoyable when taking orally (as in don't list drugs that are great when snorted, but not when taken orally).

Here are some other questions that would be very helpful to swim, and i think a lot of others, if they were answered by someone who knows their stuff (as, ive noticed in my time here on the board, most of you do)
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What oral prescription drug gives the most similar effect to heroin? And why?

What oral precription drug gives the most similar effect to ecstasy? (methamphetamine) (if there even is any drug that gives a similar effect. swims doc said there really wasnt one, and the only one close is ridilin. i hope that's not the case though. thoughts?) And why?

What oral perscription drug gives the most similar effect to cocaine? And why?

What oral perscription drug is best for when one is extremely depressed and cannot cope with reality, and wants nothing more to forget there is a world out there? And why? (All the "Why's" just mean please post some information on the drug, and how it compares to the drug it's "closest too," like heroin or ecstasy for instance, depending on which question you answered).

What is your favorite prescription drug, period? And why?


Just answer the top part of this post if you must, because it's the most important and i think most beneficial to everyone here. but, here are a few more personal questions that swim could really use answering as well, if you have time.

Swim has (all dosages listed were taken *orally*) already gotten to try oxycodone, morphine, vicodin, tramadol, buphrenorphine, fentanyl, and methadone. So far he has been very disappointed with the morphine (15mg time released MS Contin), the oxycodone (15mg immediate release), the vicodin, and the fentanyl (12.5 mcg duragesic patch), though the tramadol is pretty consistent in relieving swim's pain, and the methadone (15-20mg immediate release) actually gives him better pain relief than any of the other drugs, as well as a sense of being extremely relaxed, and a warmth to the body. so far swim's favorite is the methadone at 20mg (immediate release), but swim still doesn't understand why the 15mg (immediate release) oxycodone isn't doing more for him than the methadone, considering that everything he hears about oxycodone is like "you get such euphoria, it's almost like heroin, etc etc." So, Swim still doesn't understand. is 15mg oxy just not enough? How does it compare to 20mg methadone? Do you only get the heroin like effects from oxy when you snort it? Or am i just not taking enough orally? Im asking because i saw leo dicaprio take 3 oxyCONTIN pills in the departed, which (i know its just a movie, but) is probably way more than swim takes (because swims taking oxycodone). plus i know a lot of people who get really high and they take at least 25mg at once, even with no opiate tolerance just like swim. so, im wondering if its actually really dangers to take 30mg with no tolerance (of oxycodone), or if there's still no way anyone would OD on that low of a dose... and if doubling the dose from 15mg to 30mg would make that much of a difference anyway (the doc cames upping the dose only increases side effects). Anyway, if someone could please clear that up for swim, it would be very helpful.

[samuraigecko]

Dosage can only "up the chances" of side effects and not actually "up" the side effects at all, only make the chance of it higher. Of course a higher dose is going to do more but as the dosage goes up so do the chances of a side effect occurring. this is why SWIyour doctor told you that slight bit of "truthful misinformation". Check the other post for a more comprehensive insight into this.

P.S. Oxycontin at certain dosages has been found to be SWIM's weapon of choice at times but does not beat a well made flake. (His opinion only).

Hope this has helped.

[bloot]

You don't need to find a drug similar to methamphetamine. Methamphetamine HCl is sold under the brand name, Desoxyn. The only reason that a drug would give similar effects to heroin is because it was an opioid. Some say l-amphetamine holds effects similar to cocaine, but I'm not one to say so. A lot of anti-anxiety medications being benzodiazepines when taken in larger than therapeutic doses can turn someone into a zombie. Hope this could help.

[chemlove]

SWIM loves soma, but wonders if his friend even knows how to spell it.

[bloot]

Soma is Carisoprodol

[jason07_123]

1. The closest to heroin would most likely be morphine. Heroin is derived and synthesized from morphine. The chemical name for morphine is Diacetylmorphine. When heroin is taken aorally the acetylized morphine is processed through your liver and turned into just plain old morphine.
2. SWIM has done aot of prescription drugs in his life and hasn't tried anything that acts similar to ecstasy. The closest would probably be your SSRI antidepressants. SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) block the reuptake of the neurotransmitter serotonin into the synaptic cleft and thus increases the levels of serotonin in the CNS. This is about the closest to ecstasy because ecstasy releases extracellular serotonin into the synapsis along with blocking the reuptake of the neurotransmitter.
3. Most likely Adderall. Adderall is an amphetamine and increases the levels of dopamine in your brain. It also increases Norepinephrine. Cocaine increases dopamine also. This is how they act in the same way. The effects of cocaine are alot stronger though. And adderall is alot more chill than coke.
4. I don't really know any prescription drugs but ecstasy would do good for depression. Maybe Antidepressants that increase dopamine like NDRIs (Norepinephrine-Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitors) or SSRIs. Opiates also work too for SWIM.

[bloot]

Originally Posted by jason07_123

1. The closest to heroin would most likely be morphine. Heroin is derived and synthesized from morphine. The chemical name for morphine is Diacetylmorphine. When heroin is taken aorally the acetylized morphine is processed through your liver and turned into just plain old morphine.
2. SWIM has done aot of prescription drugs in his life and hasn't tried anything that acts similar to ecstasy. The closest would probably be your SSRI antidepressants. SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) block the reuptake of the neurotransmitter serotonin into the synaptic cleft and thus increases the levels of serotonin in the CNS. This is about the closest to ecstasy because ecstasy releases extracellular serotonin into the synapsis along with blocking the reuptake of the neurotransmitter.
3. Most likely Adderall. Adderall is an amphetamine and increases the levels of dopamine in your brain. It also increases Norepinephrine. Cocaine increases dopamine also. This is how they act in the same way. The effects of cocaine are alot stronger though. And adderall is alot more chill than coke.
4. I don't really know any prescription drugs but ecstasy would do good for depression. Maybe Antidepressants that increase dopamine like NDRIs (Norepinephrine-Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitors) or SSRIs. Opiates also work too for SWIM.

Adderall is not an amphetamine is a collection of Levo-Amphetamine and Dextro-Amphetamine salts.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by mikebobjohn

swim wants to know what your favorite prescrition drug is to take orally. It doesn't have to be an opiate; it doesn't have to kill pain. Just list anything that isn't a psychadelic (the more opiate specific part of this post comes at the end).

Please list the drugs you find most euphoric and enjoyable when taking orally (as in don't list drugs that are great when snorted, but not when taken orally).

Here are some other questions that would be very helpful to swim, and i think a lot of others, if they were answered by someone who knows their stuff (as, ive noticed in my time here on the board, most of you do)

Which drugs and which isn't euphoric are both just subjective opinions, they differ with each person. Some people find benzo's euphoric, while other don't even regard them as relaxing. Some find opioids very euphoric, while other find them merely relaxing, or not even relaxing at all. SWIY should remember that the opinion of other members about what is and what isn't euphoric, it's just subjective, and may be different for SWIY.
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Originally Posted by mikebobjohn

What oral prescription drug gives the most similar effect to heroin? And why?

Most of the opioids don't resemble Heroin's effects in the majority of people, and most regard Heroin's effects as pretty different and distinguishable from other opioids, this is something to remember as well. SWIM has tried a whole range of opioids, and none came close to Heroin when taken orally. BUT, SWIM has also never taken Heroin orally, and certainly no oral opioid will come close to smoker of IV Heroin, this is another thing to be aware of. Oral Heroin is probaply not that special, certainly not as good as via other routes of administration.

Originally Posted by mikebobjohn

What oral precription drug gives the most similar effect to ecstasy? (methamphetamine) (if there even is any drug that gives a similar effect. swims doc said there really wasnt one, and the only one close is ridilin. i hope that's not the case though. thoughts?) And why?

Ecstacy is the name given to MDMA, and nowaday's and in most parts of the world, to any tablet which resembles MDMA in it's effects. Which goes for Heroin goes for MDMA as well, there aren't any oral prescription drugs that resemble it in it's effects, MDMA is even more different from any prescription drug than Heroin.

Originally Posted by mikebobjohn

What oral perscription drug gives the most similar effect to cocaine? And why?

Same here again, cocaine is never taken orally, so don't expect any oral prescription drug to resemble nasal, let alone smoked or IV cocaine. Generally either amphetamine preperations or methylphenidate(Ritalin) will resemble nasal cocaine the most of all prescription drugs, but they are still different when taken orally, compared to nasal cocaine.

Originally Posted by mikebobjohn

What oral perscription drug is best for when one is extremely depressed and cannot cope with reality, and wants nothing more to forget there is a world out there? And why? (All the "Why's" just mean please post some information on the drug, and how it compares to the drug it's "closest too," like heroin or ecstasy for instance, depending on which question you answered).

I hope SWIY knows that taking drugs to supress depression and avoiding reality is not the right option, and can even make it worse. Try and tackle the problem at it's source, and do it under guidance of a therapist or doctor. Using Heroin to avoid having to cope with reality is the worst idea possible, SWIY is almost guaranteed to end up heavilly addicted. Ecstacy isn't an option either, it will only be effective if used on rare occasions, using it on several occasions with short intervals will greatly diminish it's effects. It takes a long time to replenish serotonin levels in SWIY's brain, only dopamine levels are quickly replenished, taking MDMA often will cause it to feel just like amphetamine, losing it's magical effect only MDMA has. It will also raise tolerance like mad, which makes it even more useless. Please seek a therapist or doctor for SWIY's depresssion, drugs are not the way out.

Originally Posted by mikebobjohn

What is your favorite prescription drug, period? And why?

For harm reductions sake, I think this question should go unanswered, because of what I wrote about this sentence.

Originally Posted by mikebobjohn

Just answer the top part of this post if you must, because it's the most important and i think most beneficial to everyone here. but, here are a few more personal questions that swim could really use answering as well, if you have time.

Swim has (all dosages listed were taken *orally*) already gotten to try oxycodone, morphine, vicodin, tramadol, buphrenorphine, fentanyl, and methadone. So far he has been very disappointed with the morphine (15mg time released MS Contin), the oxycodone (15mg immediate release), the vicodin, and the fentanyl (12.5 mcg duragesic patch), though the tramadol is pretty consistent in relieving swim's pain, and the methadone (15-20mg immediate release) actually gives him better pain relief than any of the other drugs, as well as a sense of being extremely relaxed, and a warmth to the body. so far swim's favorite is the methadone at 20mg (immediate release), but swim still doesn't understand why the 15mg (immediate release) oxycodone isn't doing more for him than the methadone, considering that everything he hears about oxycodone is like "you get such euphoria, it's almost like heroin, etc etc." So, Swim still doesn't understand. is 15mg oxy just not enough? How does it compare to 20mg methadone? Do you only get the heroin like effects from oxy when you snort it? Or am i just not taking enough orally? Im asking because i saw leo dicaprio take 3 oxyCONTIN pills in the departed, which (i know its just a movie, but) is probably way more than swim takes (because swims taking oxycodone). plus i know a lot of people who get really high and they take at least 25mg at once, even with no opiate tolerance just like swim. so, im wondering if its actually really dangers to take 30mg with no tolerance (of oxycodone), or if there's still no way anyone would OD on that low of a dose... and if doubling the dose from 15mg to 30mg would make that much of a difference anyway (the doc cames upping the dose only increases side effects). Anyway, if someone could please clear that up for swim, it would be very helpful.

Again, for harm reductions sake, please follow my advice in the sentences above, seek a therapist or doctor, don't use drugs as an escape for SWIY's state of mind.

[samuraigecko]

Awesome post. One feels that a majority of people can benefit from reading it.

Although there is one point where there is an inconsistency. MDMA acts more similar to an anti depressant but with more of a "speed" like effect. Real MDMA has been shown to be an SRI and a DRI and NARI. It was used in clinical trials and by psychiatrists up until the 80's where its recreational useage as a "rave" drug became known. So at one time one would have been able to be prescribed MDMA but no longer (and thank god for that).

Cocaine is still used in medical care. One had Cocaine eye drops for his eye after he had a large chunk of hot metal removed from it. (no it was not benzocaine or any of the other "caines")

One will find that many substances are used in hospital care which would be of surprise but these substances are almost always used for certain specifics and emergency situations only. One will NEVER be prescribed any of these drugs as they are used for emergency situations only and are very tightly government controlled. DiacetylMorphine is used by hospitals for (immediate only) pain relief. Various Cocaine Solutions are used when a profound and instant numbing effect is needed. The hospitals try to keep this on the down low for obvious reasons. Heh.

Anyhoo. One agrees with SWI-psych0naut, One should not be taking any drug to escape reality. The sucky thing about reality is NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO REALITY IS STILL THERE until one finally looses reality all together and then one finds ones self in a mental care institute. Drugs if taken in a recreational situation should be there to enhance reality and not dampen it (or remove it all together). If this is the case then one would be inclined to recommend that SWIY seek professional help to actually deal with SWIY's particular problem just as SWI-psych0naut did.

For anyone whom is mentally unstable one would recommend to stay away from any of these drugs and seek professional help. (One is NOT stating that anyone is mentally unstable so please do not take this in the wrong way).

FOR EXAMPLE: Opiates should be taken recreationally only for the reason of experiencing the euphoria and not for a "go on the nod and not care about anything" effect. Caution is always advised with ANY drug, especially opiates.

No matter how many drugs a person does, eventually the supply runs out and reality catches back up. This will remain a perpetual truth for those whom use drugs for escapism.

Drugs should be fun, when it is no longer fun and has become a full time job then one has lost sight of what a recreational drug really is.

[mikebobjohn]

Okay, I appreciate the "don't escape reality, seek help, et cetera," but I have good reason for asking the questions I do, so if - instead of telling swim not to do certain drugs to escape reality - you guys could give me information on drugs that might give swim the effects he is after, that would be much more helpful in this instance. I realize in many instances the advice the last two people wrote would be the best advice, but swim has good reasons for asking for drugs that will help him escape reality that many do not have.

I will explain. Swim has been chronically ill for two years now, and - although SWIM and his family are, of course, trying to find a way to cure SWIM, swim has gone to over 20 doctors over the past two years and taken an assortment of different medicines, and been diagnosed with an assortment of BS things that have turned out to not be causing swims problems. Basically, no one knows what illness swim has, but swim is in constant, chronic pain, and he is also very depressed because of the social isolation this illness has caused swim. Unfortunately, the problem isn't as simple as just having chronic pain, taking a painkiller, and going on with ones life. Swim has chronic pain in his bowels, and the problem is with his bowels. So its also an "embarassing" (to an extent) problem to have in public, and almost all of the time swim cannot do any activities not only because he's in pain, but because he's worried about having problems with his bowels in public. In addition to all of this, swim suffers from chronic fatigue. He is almost always too tired to do anything (even though he does on the VERY rare occasion when he's still feeling like shit, but not as bad usual, and where his bowels aren't acting up too badly, so he takes advantage and tries to go out and have a decent time).

Anyway, basically, in short, swim's health does not allow him to lead an enjoyable life in the outside, "real" world, so, until/if swim is ever cured, he figures the only thing he can really do is take drugs, and at least have a good time inside his head, since he can't in the real world.

I've tried seeing a psychiatrist. Eventually he and i both kind of gave up because swim's stomach is the cause of most of his problems, and swims psych couldn't do anything to help swims stomach.

So, yes, for a healthy person, with the option of leading a life in reality, telling him the best perscription drugs to get smashed on wouldnt be responsible of you guys, or helpful in the long run for him or her. But, for swim, who went almsot a year and a half in chronic pain without taking any pain drugs - hoping he'd get better without having to - for someone like that, for someone like swim, for someone's who's given up on waiting to get better, and jsut wants to enjoy his life now, even if taking strong drugs is the only way. For someone like swim, helping swim find euphoric prescription drugs is to do a good thing. Though it would be hurting a lot of healthy people to give them such information, giving such information to someone in swim's situation is helping them.

So, please - what are some euphoric prescription drugs swim should ask his doctor about, PLEASE

[samuraigecko]

well if the above is true then the following things are the things which SWIM has found to be the most euphoric.

MScontin and Oxycontin at dosages of around 40mg and above. His tolerance is high so it is not unusual for him to take a couple of 80mg Oxy's but one would not recommend doing that unless one had a high opiate tolerance as it would almost certainly OD a person without opiate tolerance.

SWIMhas found Xanax to be the most effective in the "benzo" class of drugs. Clonazapam is also good but not as good (klonopin). These in particular seem for SWIM to produce the most euphoric effects out of the benzo class drugs. As with any drug, be careful with dosage to start with until one knows more about his own tolerances.

Mixing an amphetamine with an opiate is not advised as it seems to have produced a number of undesirable effects.

A combination of benzo and opiate drugs will increase the activity of both and therefor a smaller dosage of each if taken in combination is needed. AGAIN caution is advised with using combinations of drugs which produce a sedative effect. If one goes too far then there is nothing one can do about it because one will be too sedated obviously.

Hope this has helped and please, always exert caution.

[mikebobjohn]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

well if the above is true then the following things are the things which SWIM has found to be the most euphoric.

MScontin and Oxycontin at dosages of around 40mg and above. His tolerance is high so it is not unusual for him to take a couple of 80mg Oxy's but one would not recommend doing that unless one had a high opiate tolerance as it would almost certainly OD a person without opiate tolerance.

SWIMhas found Xanax to be the most effective in the "benzo" class of drugs. Clonazapam is also good but not as good (klonopin). These in particular seem for SWIM to produce the most euphoric effects out of the benzo class drugs. As with any drug, be careful with dosage to start with until one knows more about his own tolerances.

Mixing an amphetamine with an opiate is not advised as it seems to have produced a number of undesirable effects.

A combination of benzo and opiate drugs will increase the activity of both and therefor a smaller dosage of each if taken in combination is needed. AGAIN caution is advised with using combinations of drugs which produce a sedative effect. If one goes too far then there is nothing one can do about it because one will be too sedated obviously.

Hope this has helped and please, always exert caution.

Thanks. anything else?

[YellowViolet]

Originally Posted by mikebobjohn

Anyway, basically, in short, swim's health does not allow him to lead an enjoyable life in the outside, "real" world, so, until/if swim is ever cured, he figures the only thing he can really do is take drugs, and at least have a good time inside his head, since he can't in the real world.

So, please - what are some euphoric prescription drugs swim should ask his doctor about, PLEASE

The only problem swim sees here is that if/ when swiy IS ever cured he/she will be addicted to strong narcotic drugs which is a hell in itself - they will feel better with their current problems but be trading them for a whole new set of problems that are very difficult, sometimes seemingly impossible, for any swiy to overcome. So please tell swiy to think carefully about what they take, how many, etc. and try not to get addicted or physically dependent because that also makes you "feel like s**t". SWIM feels like s**t all the time because of living from one pill to the next. SWIM feels for swiy, and really does relate. SWIM went to upteen doctors - tried this med and that med, took this test and that test, and everything was always normal. SWIM has to ask, "is it *normal* to be in excruciating pain everyday, is it normal to be so dizzy that swim can't walk and has to crawl" So years later swim is diag'd with fibromyalgia and now on prescription narcotic pain med - and tries to follow her own advice but as was written on another thread "Narcotic pain medicine makes addicts out of people who aren't addicts" but swim still tries not to take more than prescribed more than he/she has to. SWIM also has to fight the extreme fatigue and exhaustion they feel both from their illness and the added effect of narcotics so that swim also is isolated and alone (at their own choosing) and living from one pill to the next.

SWIM wishes swiy the best and hopes they get better before he/she makes her/hisself worse.

[RoboCodeine7610]

What oral precription drug gives the most similar effect to ecstasy? (methamphetamine)

Ecstacy is MDMA not methamphetamine.The closest oral drug to MDMA would probably be DXM (aside from other serotonergic drugs which are schedule 1).The closest orally active drug to meth would probably be Aderall or Ritalin.

[MEKONE]

Originally Posted by mikebobjohn

swim wants to know what your favorite prescrition drug is to take orally.

10mg Opana IR's (Oxymorphone) .

Originally Posted by mikebobjohn

What oral prescription drug gives the most similar effect to heroin?

In SWIM oppinion Opana gives a much better effect(more euphoric/noddy) than Morphine.Can be quite close to a "H" experience.

Originally Posted by mikebobjohn

What is your favorite prescription drug, period? And why?

Once again SWIM would have to go with Opana IR.Like mentioned above Very euphoric,can be taken orally,nasally(stronger than oral),or IV'd(with a GOOD filter of course and of definately stronger than nasal or oral).

[Hapworth]

For SWIM, dilaudid is the most similar to heroin and is a prescription drug (though nearly impossible to obtain and usually only administered in hospitals). SWIM tried dilaudid a year ago, and he snorted it, didn't shoot it. Now, a year later, with SWIM having tried heroin, he can attest that the feeling (when snorting) was similar. SWIM wants to try mainlining dillies just to see how it compares to H.

[On The Nod]

I am a MASTER with prescription drugs having taken over thirty in the last eight years. Prescription opiates eg. Morphine will not get u high when taken orally, however theres always the option to IV them.

The best are probably dopamine re uptakers such as Zyban (an anti smoking drug) very stimulating, take a dose of 150mg /daily too much counters out the effect.

Also MAOIS are very good anti depressants PARNATE in particular is good fun (no joke) no really has very stimulating properties and helps greatly with depression and is even stated as being EUPHORIC..

Benzos, please stay away turn u into a zombie, block emotinal growth and increase depression, also very addictive...

SO SWIM says best prescription drug is Wellburtin/ Zyban or if more is needed then PARNATE can be a great mood booster although a seriously powerfull drug!

[Junkhead23]

Originally Posted by On The Nod

I am a MASTER with prescription drugs having taken over thirty in the last eight years. Prescription opiates eg. Morphine will not get u high when taken orally, however theres always the option to IV them.

The best are probably dopamine re uptakers such as Zyban (an anti smoking drug) very stimulating, take a dose of 150mg /daily too much counters out the effect.

Also MAOIS are very good anti depressants PARNATE in particular is good fun (no joke) no really has very stimulating properties and helps greatly with depression and is even stated as being EUPHORIC..

Benzos, please stay away turn u into a zombie, block emotinal growth and increase depression, also very addictive...

SO SWIM says best prescription drug is Wellburtin/ Zyban or if more is needed then PARNATE can be a great mood booster although a seriously powerfull drug!

SWIY do realise if you take MAOIs regularly SWIY could possibly die if SWIY eat a tomato or dairy products? Also they interact with loads of different things. Please be careful