Closest RC to MD(M)A

[astenu]

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Please discuss replacement RC for both MDMA and MDA here.

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SWIM has heard a lot of references to MDMA substitutes but SWIM rarely hears about compounds similar to MDA in effect. SWIM read on another forum that someone tried BDB (J) and thought it to be reminisent of MDA, and a few scattered reports of combining things like methylone with a 2c compound that came close:
2Ci+Methylone "Around three hours into the experience, the methylone let up and the two materials synergized nicely leaving me in a very clear, useful, and quite profound psychedelic state. It reminded me a lot of MDA"
http://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=15012
Any suggestions?

[vcdman]

firstly, consuming RCs in the hope of finding a MDMA replacement, is a futile effort, which will make you miss some of the better qualities of RCs...

THat being said Methylone is well known to have similarities to mdma, but less of the speedy mdma push.. Also Mephedrone seems to have some similar qualities too.

Use the search engine - try bk-mdea, bk-mbdb etc

[astenu]

SWIM knows about the MDMA substitutes and there has been a lot of discussion. However there is little discussion on alternatives to MDA. To SWIM, MDA has longer lasting euphoria (7 hours), is hallucinogenic and has analgesic properties. MDA is much more intense for SWIM and the far more interesting of the two.

[phrawg]

7mg 2ct7 produced results in my lab rat that mimicked mda in a lot of ways.

[Alfa]

2C-T-7 was a full fledged psychedelic trip with a duration of 8-10 hours for FUBAR. Quite a different category than MDA. Though they are both psychedelic and stimulating, MDA is not as hardcore as 2C-T-7 is. A dose of 7mg 2C-T-7 did not give effects to FUBAR. Not even when taking 7 + 7+ 7 +7 +7 mg over the duration of 8 hours. But one dose of 21mg of 2C-T-7 in one go, brought out the trip.

[chemlove]

SWIM always told me that elements of 2ce were experienced in MDMA, but for the most part the 2ce was more intense and visual and MDMA made him feel better

[Zaprenz]

To early to tell (very few trip reports out there) but the benzofuran analogue of MDA looks to possibly share some effects. (From Nichols study the logic is there)

2-(2,3-Dihydro-benzofuran-5-yl)-1-methyl-ethylamine

(basically MDA minus one oxygen and replaced with methylene group)

It is clearly an analogue though => wont be sold legally (in the few countries where it might be legal there is no point as it will be scheduled so fast)

Also probably harder to make & far less is known about it.

Still interesting to read about.

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[astenu]

Originally Posted by Zaprenz

To early to tell (very few trip reports out there) but the benzofuran analogue of MDA looks to possibly share some effects. (From Nichols study the logic is there)

2-(2,3-Dihydro-benzofuran-5-yl)-1-methyl-ethylamine

(basically MDA minus one oxygen and replaced with methylene group)

It is clearly an analogue though => wont be sold legally (in the few countries where it might be legal there is no point as it will be scheduled so fast)

Also probably harder to make & far less is known about it.

Still interesting to read about.

Very interesting. Thank you!
Do you happen to have a link for more info on this by David Nichols?

[Zaprenz]

SWIM can't find any direct links to actual files stored on erowid in drugs-forum posts - erowid hasn't got a forum on it so SWIM is assuming posting a link to article on erowid is ok ??

Well anyway (just to make sure SWIM is not breaking rules) it's the famous erowid domain name + below added on.

/chemicals/iap/iap_info2.pf

Synthesis and Pharmacological Examination of Benzofuran, Indan, and Tetralin
Analogues of 3,4-( Methy1enedioxy)amphetamine
Aaron P. Monte, Danuta Marona-Lewicka, Nicholas V. Cozzi, and David E. Nichols'
Departments of Medicinal Chemistry and Pharmacognosy and Pharmacology and Toxicology, School of Pharmacy and

Pharmacal Sciences, Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana 47907

^ a good read

[dr ACE]

an RC with effects reminiscent of MDA that henry's ever experimented with would be, TMA-2 and Mephedrone? MBDB is similar but milder altogether

[Psych0naut]

Mephedrone certainly isn't close to MDMA. It's an emphatogen, simmilar to MDMA and Methylone, but it has no psychedelic effect at all, while MDMA at least has some. SWIM doesn't know if Methylone is slightly psychedelic, like MDMA. SWIM only did Methylone once. In SWIMs opinion and experience, AMT is very much like MDA in effects. A very stimulating emphatogen, MDMA like drug, bit which is mure more hallucinogenic, for some even in small doses.

[astenu]

TMA-2 and Mephedrone?

Were these taken together? It would interesting to hear reports of Mephedrone combinations. It remains to be seen if an MDA-like effect could be approached this way.

[astenu]

from another board:

I've tried IAP & amphetamine together and it makes a world of difference. According to the Nichols paper, IAP has a much greater serotonogic activity than MDA, but falls way short on the dopaminergic front. So I thought, use another drug to cause the dopamine release - amphetamine! Basically 25-30mg of IAP and 20-40mg of amphetamine (the amphetamine dose seems very variable from person to person) produces an effect that had I taken a pill containing this mixture, I would have sworn was MDA. I really lamented the disappearance of IAP as with a pinch of recrystallized amphetamine (although any drug that was primarily dopaminergic in action - but not meth as it also has a sizeable serotonogic activity as well - would suffice) you had a very suitable replacement for MDA, compete with those weird little tricks of the light/hallucinations that happen from misidentifying things

[dr ACE]

Originally Posted by astenu

TMA-2 and Mephedrone?

Were these taken together? It would interesting to hear reports of Mephedrone combinations. It remains to be seen if an MDA-like effect could be approached this way.

henry didn't mix them when on any experiments. But he thinks that mephedrone kind of had stimulating and mild tripping dissociative effects it just didn't last that long.

but TMA-2 did feel like MDA a long lasting stoning king of high, with subtle entheogenic effects

[Dogears]

The only RC I know of that is like any of the MDMA like drugs is methylone. Most of your 2CI, 2CE like chemicals would be better compared to mescaline.

[trptamene]

Swimmers have expressed interest in replacement RC's for MDA as well. While these compounds are close enough to be put in the same thread, they are different enough to be given different answers.

MDA users report a more psychedelic push than MDMA.

[trptamene]

samadhi123 posted this:

Originally Posted by samadhi123

5-meo-DiPT made swim feel like swim was rolling but oh so much better. his whole body felt like it was growing roots into the ground

Maybe he will post about this here.

[Samadhi]

Trp has yet again predicted my chess move...

the 5-methoxylated series has foxy (5-MeO-DiPT) and moxy (5-MeO-MiPT), although they are more psychedelic and have visuals (more foxy than moxy) they made swims cats feel a "rolling"type buzz but more clean.

although swim will vouch and speak to the possible fact that the MDx series is very unique and hard to duplicate the feeling.

[eric]

it's been said , and it's been tried :

2-(2,3-Dihydro-benzofuran-5-yl)-1-methyl-ethylamine

(3-desoxy-mda)

closest to mda , less dopaminergic release (so less of a stimulant),
also seems to be less neurotoxic.
Synthesis isn't that hard (check nichols papers)
and guess what ...it has been on the market already a few years back.

but never saw it again after this.

[polidelaiko]

5-MEO-DIPT was horrible, in SWIM`s opinion, compared to MDMA.

[[éS]Infinite]

Originally Posted by polidelaiko

5-MEO-DIPT was horrible, in SWIM`s opinion, compared to MDMA.

And SWIM believes reasons like these will keep one from discovering another chemical which has effects similar to a certain one by asking others. Every person reacts to chemicals in different ways, SWIY may say 5-meo-dipt to be like MDMA, while another SWIY may say methylone. All the while SWIM must say mushrooms or psilocin analogues provide him euphoria reminiscent of MDMA.
It is a difficult question to ask, as everyone will have different answers. Perhaps if SWIY researches compounds that stand out in his mind as potential MDMA-"twins" he may find what he is looking for, or at least as close as he may get to it.

[polidelaiko]

Gotta say that when SWIM tried 5-MEO-DIPT, he was not looking for a MDMA or MDA substitute, just experimenting. It seems that SWIM is one of those persons who dislikes Foxy... so he`s biassed.
On the other hand, 4-ACO-DMT, on very low doses, feels very good on the body and the mind, SWIM says.
and this is from Tihkal, #18. 4-HO-DMT / 4-HO-DMT PHOSPHATE ESTER, (with 6.6 mg phosphate ester, orally) "Something has started but I decide to join in a full dinner anyway. The effects develop right through the meal, with some hints of animal faces in the pork-chop bones. No movement, nothing flows, but it probably wouldn't take much effort. Another hour and I am dropping off already. The food? Somehow I doubt it. I would be completely unable to tell this from, say, 80 milligrams of MDMA except that I had a good appetite."

[EntheogenicTruth]

hmmm it seems that there is a number of people who dislike foxy and a number of people who like it. very polarised...

swim would have to say that his experiences with foxy are different from mdma/mda. when swim rolls he feels as though he _may/might_ roll, but theres still the chance he might not. however when he gets foxy it feels more assured that he will be plummeted into having sex with something immaterial or nonexistent.

swim would say that seeing as he doesnt really like rolling as much as tripping anyway (and only really prefers the former if he's already doing the latter) Foxy would be you're best bet on a MDA or slightly more psychedelic MDMA substitute.

HOWEVER seeing as ALL 3 chemicals are now scheduled in most countries i cannot see how this would make any difference. all chemicals are unique and their effects should be treated as so and they should not be used as a substitute.

its sort of like sending someone down to the shops for oranges and having the come back with bananas. theyre both good and theyre both fruit. but they're still DIFFERENT.

you can only know which rc is the most suitable until you have tried them all (not a suggestion). and id seriously doubt that anyone on these forums has tried _every_ rc. (if anyone wants to challenge this feel free... i would be interested to hear your commentary)

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Good point about them all being scheduled, a substitute should be at least semi-legal

[Hyperspaceblastoff]

mda is jus like mdma

[radiometer]

That's like saying an orange tastes the same as a grapefruit.

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LOL! Fantastic analogy!