Salvia Divinorum without a sitter

[db2]

I'm curious about this subject. I've smoked salvia previously without effect, but I know this is common for a variety of reasons.

I'm extremely experienced with psychedelic drugs, but not salvia in particular.

I was wondering, if one was in a safe place, and situated laying down, could one experiment with lower doses of salvia?

[bloot]

Originally Posted by db2

I'm curious about this subject. I've smoked salvia previously without effect, but I know this is common for a variety of reasons.

I'm extremely experienced with psychedelic drugs, but not salvia in particular.

I was wondering, if one was in a safe place, and situated laying down, could one experiment with lower doses of salvia?

The people SWIM has been around while they smoked 90x extract he was to say there is no way that they could go without a trip-sitter. This is highly recommended by SWIM.

[TMM]

Originally Posted by db2

I was wondering, if one was in a safe place, and situated laying down, could one experiment with lower doses of salvia?

Generally, yes. It helps greatly to know how you react to it, though. Most people don't move around much, but I probably wouldn't risk it blindly. A couple of trips with sitters beforehand would be helpful.

[Schwag]

My friend says:
If you are just going to be doing low doses and you have psychedelic experience, you should be fine. Just make sure there is nothing in the room to harm you. I've done it many times myself with no problems. That was with 10x though. I would advise anyone who wants to try higher extracts to have a sitter present no matter what. Even on 20x I have seen a person stumble out of a house and onto the yard stumble back in and have no recollection of any of it, so be careful!

[TMM]

Originally Posted by Schwag

My friend says:
If you are just going to be doing low doses and you have psychedelic experience, you should be fine. Just make sure there is nothing in the room to harm you. I've done it many times myself with no problems. That was with 10x though. I would advise anyone who wants to try higher extracts to have a sitter present no matter what. Even on 20x I have seen a person stumble out of a house and onto the yard stumble back in and have no recollection of any of it, so be careful!

Strength of extract means nothing without reference to dosage. A 5x trip can be far stronger than a 60x trip. I'm sure you know this, but it seems odd to me when people talk as if degree of extract determines the trip. I know that when SWIM uses different extracts (which is rarely, he usually just sticks with 20x) he varies the amount accordingly to give roughly the same dose.

Also, I doubt psychedelic experience will help too much. If you 'break through', which I assume is the goal, you probably won't have much control over yourself for most of the duration.

[Salvinorin A]

Originally Posted by TMM

Strength of extract means nothing without reference to dosage. A 5x trip can be far stronger than a 60x trip. I'm sure you know this, but it seems odd to me when people talk as if degree of extract determines the trip. I know that when SWIM uses different extracts (which is rarely, he usually just sticks with 20x) he varies the amount accordingly to give roughly the same dose.

Also, I doubt psychedelic experience will help too much. If you 'break through', which I assume is the goal, you probably won't have much control over yourself for most of the duration.

This is absolutely correct, and to further this even more: salvia also highly depends on sensitivity. SWIM knows people who get level 4 trips on just leaves (20X sends them into level 6).

SWIM did it on his own for low doses, worked great in terms of safety for him because he is a hardhead, meaning he only heard voices in his head. Swim doesn't move much on salvia trips, however, swim found this out through working his dosage level up a bit almost every time. But that's just SWIM, it really really depends on the person. For example, SWIM doesn't laugh like most people (and usually the people who laugh tend to move....and therefore require a sitter).

Be safe. Have a sitter if SWIY plans to break through. If just for experimentation, though a sitter is highly recommended, swiy should be able to do things safely.

Sal-A

[Schwag]

Originally Posted by TMM

Strength of extract means nothing without reference to dosage. A 5x trip can be far stronger than a 60x trip. I'm sure you know this, but it seems odd to me when people talk as if degree of extract determines the trip. I know that when SWIM uses different extracts (which is rarely, he usually just sticks with 20x) he varies the amount accordingly to give roughly the same dose.

Also, I doubt psychedelic experience will help too much. If you 'break through', which I assume is the goal, you probably won't have much control over yourself for most of the duration.

My friend says:
That's why at the end I said that bit about seeing a friend on 20x have no clue what was going on, sorry if that was unclear. You could smoke a small amount of legit 100x and have a trip similar to smoking a large bong bowl of 20x. I just feel a person smoking 60x is more likely, not guaranteed, to have a stronger trip than someone smoking 5x.

I personally think it is better to have some psychedelic experience than none. That way you are less likely to panic because you have some knowledge of how your body might react to this drug.

[whirlybird]

SWIM prefers to smoke salvia alone. They say that when they smoke it around other people, it "takes away from the experience". SWIM has experimented with salvia with sitters a few times before they decided to start smoking it alone. SWIM wouldn't reccommend flying solo for first timers or high extracts.

[I<3Salvia]

If you're worried about doing something stupid man, just put yourself in a situation where you have an unlikeliness of being hurt (i.e. a locked room void of sharp objects, or outside in the calm moonlight). Sometimes it's even better to smoke alone, as some people are more comfortable alone while tripping because it rids them of the paranoia of, "OMG WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO DO TO ME!!!". Swim has had a bit of experience smoking alone. The cool thing about salvia is it has a reverse tolerance, and once you break the first initial high you only need smoke a small amount of it to acheive affect. If you're going to try this with leaf, you should be absolutely fine. When swim smokes he feels absolutely no need to run around, and rarely gets out of his chair because he's so busy in another dimension. Swim wonders if what people smoke and report as salvia is actually salvia, because swim finds that when he smoked leaf and even the 5x extract that he couldn't even keep sitting up straight much less run around everywhere like a blithering idiot. The reason for this is simple, you're in another world, with differentt rules, if even for a moment, and while that's happening, you leave your body behind. If you're needing smoking howto/tips look up my thread on the subject. Hope this helps .

[cra$h]

its much more fun with a sitter, since they laugh at you laughing, and brings people in a better mood

[Mr. Giraffe]

MY cat is surprised to hear of 60 and 90x salvia. Is this not missing the point a little? Aren't these massively concentrated extractions (if they are indeed as potent as they claim) intended to give people an experience so overpoweringly psychedelic that it is mistaken for fun by people seeking mindless intoxication. Isn't 60x a little mindless? How can you even make sense of the experience at that intensity? A sitter would be the least of your worries!

[Salvinorin A]

The higher extracts are mostly intended for hardheads. SWIM knows of people who never reach Level 4 profound experiences, knows people who get a mild buzz after holding in a hit of 100X for over a minute.

SWIM agrees that these high extracts should not be used for people already sensitive to Salvinorin-A....in fact, at a certain point it won't matter anyways. For example, if someone gets a mind-blowing Level 5 trip from 20X, there is a very good chance that that person will have the a very similar trip on 60X, or possibly fly into a Level 6.

Other than for people with tolerances...swim thinks the high ones were made mostly for marketing, and possibly just because they can.

Sal-A

[cra$h]

I've heard that salvia that's too potent can cause black outs. and if that's true, what a waste of an already overpriced drug

[Salvinorin A]

Originally Posted by cra$h

I've heard that salvia that's too potent can cause black outs. and if that's true, what a waste of an already overpriced drug

1st of all....yes. But why would swiy take such a high dose if SWIY knows he/she will black out. It's not like people dive into 80X...they work their ways up.

2nd of all....the high ones are for people with tolerances...or low sensitivity to Salvinorin A...like SWIM.

3rd......for a breakthrough trip that salvia produces...for a lot of people....swim thinks it should cost more....to keep it from the people who are only good for getting it scheduled.

[RaverHippie]

I must say though, for SWIM's only encounter with salvia, the sitters felt more like audience members for a freak show and I was the main attraction--a VERY unnerving feeling.

[cra$h]

keeping it expensive is a good point, and makes you respect the drug, and for even helping things like tolerance. that point just completely changed my entire opinion of salvia pricing

[I<3Salvia]

Same here.