Drug info - Datura: Is this possible?

[Frightened]

So here is a hypothetical story:

Two friends decide to spend a couple of days doing illegal substances. The guy procures (what they think) is Marijuana and crystal DXM. The first day they get really stoned and the second day they trip DXM. The morning of the 3rd day the girl of the friends goes back to her house, still a bit buzzed on what is presumed to be DXM.

Fast forward 3 days. Guy gets a call in the morning from the mother of the girl, being told that the girl in in the hospital from an overdose of Jimson Weed. Guy is dumbfounded, because many people had smoked the Marijuana and he had done the DXM with no problems, and ontop of that the friend he got it from had done a bunch of it before. Guy is told that the only substance in the Girl's body is Jimson Weed, which is also confusing because one would think one of the other two substances would show up. It seems that girl has told them that the only thing she did was DXM.

Guy now needs to know what possibly could have happened. He is pretty sure that neither of them have Jimson Weed in them, but he has no clue what is going on. Guy wants to possibly get the drugs tested so he can be sure that he didn't fuck up this girl's life.

Guy has a few questions:

#1: Is it possible to extract Jimson Weed into a crystal form? The crystals that the guy got were out of a legitimate medical bottle, and the guy he got them from is a good friend of his, and he says he bought it from a chemical supply company.

#2: How possible would it be to mix in enough Jimson Weed with Marijuana to cause an overdose? Out of 6 people who smoked the weed, girl was the only one who has had problems. Guy had said that the weed was a bit harsh, but he thinks that is more because he hasn't smoked in a long time.

#3: If guy wanted to get the stuff he has tested to see what it is, what is his best course of action?


I can expand upon this hypothetical story if need be. Please help with any knowledge you have.

[fnord]

Guy has a few questions:

#1: Is it possible to extract Jimson Weed into a crystal form? The crystals that the guy got were out of a legitimate medical bottle, and the guy he got them from is a good friend of his, and he says he bought it from a chemical supply company.

#2: How possible would it be to mix in enough Jimson Weed with Marijuana to cause an overdose? Out of 6 people who smoked the weed, girl was the only one who has had problems. Guy had said that the weed was a bit harsh, but he thinks that is more because he hasn't smoked in a long time.

#3: If guy wanted to get the stuff he has tested to see what it is, what is his best course of action?

1.)yes it is possible to extract it into crystals,but the effects of jimson weed last 2+ days and would be quite different then DXM.

2.)yea sure you can make a super strong tincture and dose the weed but i really think others would feel the effects also not just the one girl.

3.)look around,but it seams like a waste.

i think the girl is confused/a liar/something else is going on you dont know about.datura effects are quite strong/crazy and would easily be noticeably different then dxm.

[Frightened]

The time the two were together they had a really good time, it seems nothing like the Datura effects that guy had read about.

Seeing as knowing what is in the drugs won't actually help the girl, it seems the best course of action for the guy is to wait for when he can actually talk to the girl. The guy has been able to talk to the girl's sister, but nothing he has learned has made the situation any more understandable.

Guy is going to go to bed and hope he can actually enjoy Christmas tomorrow.

[Frightened]

An update to this story:

The girl's mother contacted the guy today. This is the conversation they had:

Mother: Just want to let you know that Girl has had severe effects from the drug that your supposed friend gave you. The drug is now out of her system and she may have permanent long-term side effects, and they are very bad. She will not be able to return to work. At present she needs to be fed, bathed, etc. This is very similar to someone who had a brain injury. The doctor says it may take months before she may return to normal and this may not even happen. You do not know how extremely upset and angry we are. Do you realize how bad this really is. Our family is devastated. By the way, the drug was definitely what I told you it was. It came back from the lab and several doctors told me that. You said it was not. She did not go anywhere else that day, but to see you. She has told me everything. She is telling me things I never knew, which I think the drug is doing, like a truth serum. She told me the only drugs she did was when she was with you. She said you and her smoked weed and then later went to the woods and did that other drug. She only was with you. You can never prove that it was not that drug anyway because you could get a different drug and say it was that one that you used. This drug could have killed my daughter. I need you to tell me where you got that drug from and what day you and Girl took that. She had no trace of DXM in her blood and the doctor said it would have definitely showed up. The only drug that showed up was Jimson weed. How could you tell me it was not that drug. It is hard to understand this. She got that drug somewhere and it was the day she saw you.
Guy: Oh god....
Guy: I got it from a good friend of mine at school. We did it on Thursday.
Girl’s Mother signed off at 10:35:49 PM.
Girl’s Mother signed on at 10:39:53 PM.
Girl’s Mother: Friday she came home and high and it was very noticeable that she was on something.. The next day she went to work and left early crying. Drove and ended up getting lost in Wintergreen and then crashed her car in guard rail. Next day Sunday after we picked her up she progressively got worse and passed out and we had to take her to ER. It had to be from that drug she took with you. So your good friend apparently gave you something else.
Guy: I know you have no reason to trust me, and I know I can't prove anything to you, but I don't know what happened. I want to know why I am also not in the hospital. I want to get these substances tested for my own knowledge. I need to know which one of the people who we got things from did this to her.
Guy: Please don't get the impression that I am taking this lightly. I've spent the past two days having panick attacks and crying.
Girl’s Mother: We read up on Jimson and it does NOT affect every person the same way and in fact you may not be aware that you are high and its easy to overdose because people think they are not high and take more.
Girl’s Mother: Either your friend lied to you about what was in the drug, or you are lying because JIMSON is what she took and nothing else
Girl’s Mother: And we are being told she may not recover
Guy: God..
Girl’s Mother: This is not over because we have to find out who is poisoning innocent people against their will.
Guy: I am trying to figure out how to get these drugs tested.
Guy: I'm not sure where to go.
Guy: As you said, there is no reason for you to believe the results I give, but I need to get them tested.
Guy: Do I need to be in the area for questioning?
Guy: My family was supose to go to my grandparents tomorrow, but I can break this to my family and take a greyhound to the area tomorrow if I need to.
Guy: If the guy I thought was my friend really sold me Datura, not only will I never forgive myself for trusting him, but I want to do whatever I can to stop this from happening again.
Guy: Girl was my best friend over the past year, and I don't want someone else's to be hurt as well.
Guy: I haven't broken this to my family yet, but I'm prepared to.
Guy: I don't know what state girl is in, but she did see me measure out what we took. I don't mind having my body tested for substances as well.
Guy: Please say something, I'm prone to panic attacks and I'm about to pass out.
Girl’s Mother: Start by stopping being stupid since you have no control over the potentially death threatening substances that are out there. I am exhausted and this conversation is over for the time being

Guy is seriously scared, but at the same time he isn't even sure who to trust. The way this mother acts make him think that she is lying to him. She has called him through Girl's cellphone, and talked to him from Girl's aim. Guy has talked to what he thought was Girl's sister, but he isn't even sure if that is true anymore.

Someone has to be lying, be it Girl about what she did, Girl's mother about the whole situation, or the person who gave Guy what they took.

Guy is really scared. Guy does not know what to do. Does anyone have legal advice for guy?

[sknkv2]

Run. Run and hide.

JK.

Honestly, you will be the first person on these forums to know what is going on. No one here can accurately say what the situation is. Obviously someone is misinformed or lying somewhere down the line. Her mother possibly doesn't want you to see her aynmore or something? Post up when you find out, I'm quite interested.

[JaWill88]

this is really crazy and swim is very sorry swiy is going through this. swiy should take a urine test asap while any drugs may be in the body. swiy can buy one at the store. that is the first step swiy should take and should be done immediatly. swiy can also go to a hospital or drug treatment place and pay for one there. this is very important.

[Frightened]

Guy understands this and if Guy needs to see what is in him he still has some of what they had, he could take a small dose of each and get tested right afterwards.

Guy also talked to the person who gave him DXM and really does not think there is much chance the DXM is really Datura. The guy bought it from xxxxxxx a site that while it is a bit weird it wouldn't be selling the wrong things.

[Frightened]

Guy is getting the drugs tested by a relative of a friend. Girl is out of the hospital and has confirmed what is going on. Guy prays girl won't be in bad mental shape forever. Guy is not going to be able to see Girl because of Girl's family.

I'll update on this story when it progresses.

[sknkv2]

Sucks man, good luck.

[fnord]

Originally Posted by Frightened

Guy understands this and if Guy needs to see what is in him he still has some of what they had, he could take a small dose of each and get tested right afterwards.

Guy also talked to the person who gave him DXM and really does not think there is much chance the DXM is really Datura. The guy bought it from xxxxxxx a site that while it is a bit weird it wouldn't be selling the wrong things.

can datura have lasting effects like this?my friends used to eat bowls of datura salad a few years ago without any lasting effects.but when one of them inevitable went to the hospital for being fucked out of there mind the hospital always said similar things about "lucky to be alive" and permanent damage,etc etc.

[Frightened]

Hopefully final update to the story:

Girl seems like she is at 100% even though guy hasn't seen her. Guy's friend's relative got the drugs tested and they seem to be what they were suppose to be, leading the guy to believe that the girl might be prone to psychotic episodes and had one from doing all these drugs, although this answer still doesn't seem to be perfect. Guy really can't tell for sure because he doesn't know what made the doctor's conclude that it was Datura and does not want to push the girl to find out of she doesn't want to . Guy did not get the saliva they did tested, but he had done so much of it in the past and she had done a lot more from the same batch with him in the past that he highly doubts it caused this.

Guy is still planning to help girl pay for medical bills, but does not know how much he will be paying. Its possible he won't have to pay for anything at all, but at this point it is unknown.

The story has not found a conclusion, but to draw it out any further seems just painful for all parties. At least at this point, everyone is going to try to enjoy living for a while.

[fnord]

i would confront her/her mother with the evidence,and say "ok for one datura/belladona/whatever wouldn't show up scopolimine/atropine would so i already know your mistaken,number two ive had the chemical tested and it is 99.78 dxm"

i would want answers,and i would avoid hanging out with this girl any more if shes willing to fabricate stories and tell others of her drug use/sources,shes already endangered you once by giving out info dont give her a second chance.

[JCJC]

Very interesting story. I am sure what has happened here is a case of combined ignorance and subjectivity to media scaremongering.

I seriously doubt you could have smoked an extract of datura and not felt the effects, while someone else smoking the same thing got hospitalised. What I think happened is that hypothetical girl freaked out, parents freaked out, medical centre suggested it might be jimson weed (which is of course a very dangerous substance) and parents changed the story to say that it WAS jimson weed.

IMO there really isnt any feasible way that it could have been jimson weed.

I know this is ancient history now, but wanted to add my two cents.

[EntheogenicTruth]

perhaps girl had some sort of psychological reaction to the dxm. swim has heard that this can happen as technically it _is_ a psychedelic, even though it is a dissasociative. secondly if it was jimson weed the reason they say that it would have lasting damage is the thing with your vision (blurryness etc). also how was the DXM taken? as it cannot be smoked... very damaging...

[Worlock]

The Doctors said Jimpson weed , not Belladona or a drug but the plant parts
They typically eat some of the seeds, very bitter.

Someone shared a seed pod with her, she took some , and ended up flippin and going to the hospital, At the hospital she related whaty she ate to save her life.
Then pinned it on you to protect herself and whomever gave her the seeds.
That way you are r to blame for her stupidity Your drugs are fine, that was not the situation, you are not the situation.
"How dare you poison her poor innocent daughter " sheezzz, Bullshit
AS the story rolls around in their peabrains , they add a little each time until they get angry and believe it themselves. Building it up , You deserve the death penelty no doubt.

You did not do it, They have no proof, If you are trying to prove innocence. Forget it
They already know cause she told her mom it was you.
So whatcha going to do,
Where were you a few hours before she went to the hospital, when she ate the Jimpson.
That is not a diagnosis a Dr. will miss , he shows her the picture of the plant
she nods
they make her vomit, he sees the seeds,
and the symptoms are classic for the plant
Your skin turns "orange", slurred garbled speech, ataxia, dry mouth blurred vision , eyes look like dialated black holes. halucinations, talking to imaginary people. You may not have all the symptoms , people react differently, but some symptoms and signs are always there depending on dose. Easy call for the Doctor. he does not care where she got them they grow all over, The Dr knows you did not cram them down her throat, he has better things to do then listin to some lyin' little simp and her mother looking for any exscuse , that exhonerates her daughter, cause she raised a perfect little angel, , she must of or else mom screwed up and you know that it is not the parents fault.
relax, stay clear, get your story straight,
It takes about 2 hours after injestion,
Smoking datura leaf won't send you to the hospital but munching a pod will.
2 hours later she was wiped out.

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good work on the post. your right and theres nothing the boy can do now.

[mr. nawtynuff]

I do realize that this post is a bit old, though I just wanted to put my two cents in. Foremost I understand and admire your concern for this girl. Alot of people put into a situation like this are too worried about their own ass to even consider dealing with girl, much more her mother. I thought that your willingness to be accountable is great but at the same time had authorities been involved I fear that your willingness to cooperate may have gotten you into some very undeserved legal trouble. As alot of what other members have mentioned seems to be what actually happened in this situation. Though why Dr.'s would say that she ONLY tested positive for having Jimson Weed in her system and nothing else seems very odd. Especially since you know the both of you shared marijuana. As mentioned previously it seems that girl was given Jimson Weed sometime after you two had been hanging out, and for some reason chose to protect this individual when she found her ass in the hospital. Although I have never used DXM, I have for better or worse, tried Jimson Weed almost 15 years ago. And WOW! It certainly is an easy way to find yourself in the hospital being asked several questions; all while being severely confused!! Although thankfully, no body in our "tripping party" including myself found this to be their fate, it is very easy to understand how so many people have ended up in that very predicament from tripping on Jimson Weed. Anyways, I too would certainly confront both girl and mother even if this meant showing up on the front door with a letter explaining your position (obviously try to exclude incriminating details) and mostly stick to the topic of you having those substances which came back positive for traces of DXM; and negative for traces of Datura stramonium. But I can also understand just leaving it alone too. Regardless, I'm certainly happy to hear that everyone came away from this alright, as it certainly sounds like a bad dream, better yet nightmare!!. Anyhow best wishes,
mr. nawtynuff

[kalininin]

phew! Frightened, any follow-up? would be very welcome.

[=SKA=]

You might want to Save both the DXM and the Weed. The worst that can happen in a court-scenario is you being charged for possession/use of Cannabis. DXM is legal and no one could charge you for that.

However I MIGHT have a slight idea of a possible cause for this unlucky event:

Your source of DXM: I don't know wether your DXM were crushed pills, or DXM extracted from Coughpills/syrups.

Either way a crucial thing to know is that in alot of Coughmedications that contain DXM, Tropane alkaloids of the Nightshades ( mainly Scopolamine ) are added. Scopolamine has long been used as cough-surpressant. Now that would make alot of sense wouldn't it? Would explain why NightShade Alkaloids were found in your dear friend's system. Therefor when you decide to do DXM make sure that your source contains ONLY DXM.

I would immediately consult your friend from which you got the DXM and ask him where he got it from. Since they were DXM crystals I assume he extracted pure DXM from Anti-Cough Pills or Syrup. Ask him what Brand he used and then check the Ingredients of the pills/syrup in question;

I'm affraid you'll find out that the coughmedication that was your source for DXM also contains significant amounts of Scopolamine from Nightshades.