its definitly an awesome combo, but swiy should REALLY not go overboard, with the weed or dxm. theres a slight chance you could black out/leave reality lol. that may sound cool, but when it happened to swim it was very scary and he threw up. swiy will find yourself grabbing for anything(mentally) to keep yourself from going crazy. even a "normal" dose of dxm and weed could set this off, just gotta monitor tolerance.
Swim feels like there is something missing if he does not have any green with his DXM. Weed brings DXM to life and Swim believes every DXM trip should be combined with some bud. If it is too intense then bring down the DXM dose.
That is just what swim thinks though, I'm sure there are people who enjoy DXM without smoking.
For those whose test subjects enjoy this combination: how much DXM do your subjects tend to take at one time? I wonder if the dose is the difference. Swim was into dex before weed, so he got used to doing high (800-1200mg) doses...which didn't mix well.
swims only done dxm twice, both at 300mg and mixed with cannabis and had a wonderful experience both times. but swim's guessing it's not a good idea for heavier doses like 4th plateau because of the extreme seperation of mind and body.
I don't know whether this is an old post, but SWIM has taken cannabis only his past four trips off of DXM. The first trip was SWIM took 1100-1200 mg of DXM Citrate with 2 joints with about 2 grams of average weed. MAJOR euphoria was reached where warmth and euphoria would well up in SWIM's stomach and spread throught his body. He can't remember much from that night, except becoming extremely tired after the peak and having a wide pleasant smile the whole trip. The second time he drank a bottle of Rexall DM but threw up after 30 minutes as he was smoking his chronic. The trip wasen't nearly as intense as his last one due to his puking but still managed to feel that rushing euphoria. Without MJ, he gets minor versions of the happiness he gets from the combination. The third one was scary when SWIM extracted 750 mg from a bottle of Robitussin and didn't complete the extraction. SWIM neglected to boil the final solution down to evaporate the naphtha resulting in the consumption of the trace (but very strong) amount of naphtha. During the whole trip, SWIM was cussing at himself and convinced he was going to die since he had a constant taste of gas in his mouth for the duration of the night. Although, he was worried and almost freaking out, the euphoria kept him at bay from getting a panic-attack of any other negative effects. His happiness made him not care not nearly as much if he was going to die. His last experience with this combo was last night, when he took 2 and 1/2 bottles of Robitussin gels for 750 mg DXM and took a large pot brownie with approx 2 grams of weed in it. He was initially feeling nauseous after taking the 50 cough gels within a 15 minute time span. The timing of this trip was not that well thought out since there were family members and friends that have no idea of his drug habits and condemn this behaviour. He waited until most of them were in their rooms either watching tv/reading or sleeping before smoking some weed to appease the nausea about an hour and 15 min after the gels and brownie were taken. He had taken 2 hits from his J and the nausea suddenly disappeared which has never happened so fast before. During this trip, he had many epiphanies and the pot brownie gave SWIM much more euphoria than SWIM had achieved through the smoking of marijuana with DXM. When SWIM arrived (stumbled) to bed, ideas and thoughts would flood into this brain and each epiphany would come 4 or 5 minutes apart feeling like an hour or 2 has passed. Once the peak finished, a great exhaustion came over SWIM. The explanation I think for this is the overwhelming weed in the brownie. This was probably SWIM's best experience, but is reading SWIYs are claiming it is better at lower doses so SWIM is probably going to do 300 mg or 450 mg with much, much high grade weed with a friend the next time he plans to trip out on DXM. Today he is feeling a nice warmth with a slight tingling in all his joints tempting him to smoke some weed tonight (maybe?) and he feels so relaxed. SWIM recommends that SWIy should not be hesitant or unsure of themselves if they are to take a 3rd/4th plateau dose with marijuana. Be confident or don't do it at all.
Swim has only tried dmx and cannabis together once (mostly because the only time he uses dmx is when there is nothing else around) He did maybe 600-700 mg of Dmx, and him and a budddy smoked around a half quarter (an eighth). Swim did not notice any negative side affects. However, Swim tried to hold in a bong hoot for as long as he could, and he ended up blacking out while standing up.. Swim fell into a VERY sharp corner and cut his back all to shit. Swim is wondering if anyone else has ever blacked out while holding in your hoot?
The worst experience I ever had with dxm was when I smoked weed after taking 800mg of dxm. It was terrible my skin was burning and I couldn't walk or talk right and I thought I was gonna die. I recommend smoking weed with dxm at lower doses to be safe.
What do you think about the following wording: "Smoking cannabis during a DXM trip can make the experience significantly stronger, while also combating nausea. This combination may result in very intense (often overwhelmingly so) experiences, especially when high doses of DXM are used. This is most likely not physically dangerous, but the risk of panic attacks and psychotic breaks increases."
Madlab finds this very accurate, but thinks it could be further edited to stress its elements in a slightly different way. He guesses it's not William White (because he can't find it in DXM FAQ), so he must read it somewhere else, that the intesifying effect can be equivalent of whole 1 plateau, i.e. going from 3rd to 4th plateau for example. Maybe it's worth including and emphasising, as this can be indeed "very intense (often overwhelmingly so)".
Alf has experienced it after ingesting just 555mg (about 8.5mg/kg) on grapefruit juice and divided in half with doses spaced by 1.30hrs, smoking a small glass pipe just before second dose fully kicked in. In result instead of an expected 3rd plateau trip he got immobilised, lost his body, felt like dying, met supernatural creatures in alien dimension (and in his own), had to contain a nascent panic attack, was delusional and for a moment felt on the verge of psychotic break even. "Overwhelmingly intense" is a short and precise wording of it.
But to stress it properly, Madlab would move "combating nausea" down or edit it out altogether. Like this it seems to suggest a good idea (although it's a popular knowledge already) to smoke early while moving warnings about intensifying potential of DXM + cannabis combination to the background. What's more, users tell about how differently cannabis works with DXM depending on time of mixing the two. It looks like smoking when DXM starts to fully hold sway particularly adds to the high (dissociation and euphoria). Someone more experienced with this combination could surely elaborate on it.
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Reason: wording, a few letters here and there
Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_cannabis
CBD is also believed to regulate the body’s metabolism of THC by inactivating cytochrome P450, an important class of enzymes that metabolize drugs. Experiments in which mice were treated with CBD followed by THC showed that CBD treatment was associated with a substantial increase in brain concentrations of THC and its major metabolites, most likely because it decreased the rate of clearance of THC from the body.
Perhaps weed simply has the same effect as grapefruit juice? Cally's not a medical professional, however, and she's having trouble finding a description of exactly what enzymes CBD affects.
Would this lead to a large concentration of DXM in the blood? If so, that could be a source of dysphoria...lots of DXM visions and confusion without the DXO dissociation and euphoria?
i can remember a time when i had taken 2000mg.and was completely out of it for hours.smoking a little weed seemed to do me good,it seemed to ground me.i almost always mix the two when im dexing.they're my two most favorite drugs.so i guess i never had a negative effect with these two.
Perhaps weed simply has the same effect as grapefruit juice? Cally's not a medical professional, however, and she's having trouble finding a description of exactly what enzymes CBD affects.
Would this lead to a large concentration of DXM in the blood? If so, that could be a source of dysphoria...lots of DXM visions and confusion without the DXO dissociation and euphoria?
ECL
Great find! That could explain a lot of DXM + cannabis occurrences, although swim doesn't know any more about the pharmacology of it than swiy.
Swim wanted to add: he's had some good experiences with combining DXM and cannabis - ONLY on first and low 2nd plateau. He found smoking weed under those conditions enhanced music euphoria.
He's also had negative experiences, however. In Swim's most recent trip he took 450mg of DXM. A while after the peak, he smoked one bowl of pretty dank weed. His trip until that point had been a "2nd plateau drunk" feeling, he was having a decent time just screwing around. However, after he smoked the bowl, the trip became quite dysphoric. Not physically, but purely mentally; once he blazed, he started to go into a loop of intense self-criticism. Outwardly, he seemed normal, but when he wasn't engaged in some activity, he would just pick himself apart, telling himself he was worthless, an idiot, uncaring, casting a negative light on all of his recent actions, etc. Very bizarre, very unpleasant, and kind of a harrowing experience.
SWIM has been using 3rd Plataue DXM with STRONG weed recently. SWIM is a very experience DXM'ER. I really feel if you're on HIGH Sigma trip, that, more often than not, you find God. SWIM is dead serious. SWIM had the whole 100% "certain you're dead" thing happpen to me also. Very intense. That's what SWIM loved about it. The intensity.
Well now its just the 3rd Plat and the reefer for SWIM. SWIM is finding that reefer w/ DXM can "jack up" or spure you for a long ass trip you want to end.
SWIM is now trying to just trip nicely, once maybe twice a month(maybe more). and JUST SMOKE strong ass buds.
As with any powerful psychedelic or entheogen, cannabis can more often than not act as a springboard for the most intense of experiences and perceptions, even in it's own right. Combined with a more powerful and less experienced entheogen (in comparison), terrifying and haunting experiences are not uncommon.
Toltexan had a dream he told me about. In this dream, he had partaken of DXM nearly fifty times, sometimes with and sometimes without cannabis, up to this beginning of the dream. He was used to consuming two 4-ounce bottles of dextromethorphan-containing cough syrup per experience.
On this evening, in the dream, he proceeded to consume only one bottle, followed briefly after by perhaps four or five inhalations from a pipe of high grade cannabis shared between him and two of his acquaintances. The cannabis partaking took place, perhaps, an hour after consuming the DXM. It should be mentioned that he was the only one consuming the DXM.
After these ingestions were completed, he proceeded to turn on his favourite visual program to accompany his dextromethorphan visions, Don Hertzfeldt's "The Meaning of Life."
What happened next is to this day extremely rapid, blurry, mystifying, and terrifying to him.
I'll provide the details first from his perception, followed by the perception of his dream-friends:
He proceeded to scream constantly, yet quietly, almost instantly after the show began. His vision became chaotic, his senses were confused, and he felt as though he were tumbling into an abyss.
He opened his eyes, after lifetimes it seemed, and found himself peacefully sitting in his flat conversing with his two good friends. For some reason, they looked terrified. Toltexan, however, was perfectly calm and felt very lucid. He suddenly felt a very real dualness, something happening at the exact same time in the exact same place with the exact same people, yet the events transpiring were vastly different from what was taking place.
As the visions of both events simultaneously became crystal clear, he realized with certain horror that in one reality, the murkier one, he was conversing with his friends in his flat, asking who he was and if he was indeed "Toltexan".
The alternate reality, which was beginning to gain momentum and precedence, much to his horror, was of him dying in that same place and time, in front of his acquaintance's very eyes. His friends were screaming in his face for him to wake up, to get up. They were violently shaking him. His roommate also arrived in time to watch him die. She sobbed, as they all did, and called the hospital for help.
As he percieved these two perceptions, he proceeded to pull his last line of defense, his safety switch: His intention to live. He popped out of his dying state and proclaimed repetitiously, " I want to live!" Oddly enough, he actually embodied the murkier reality after witnessing it, and all played out exactly as he had seen it only moments, hours, or lifetimes ago.
Needless to say, he did indeed live. In his dream, that is.
As for what his dream-acquaintances witnessed from their perspective, from their recollection, Toltexan is mortified to this day. It should be noted that his acquaintances were so unsettled by the experience that they hesitated to tell him of their own experience that evening in dreaming until at least two or three months passed:
After Toltexan watched "The Meaning of Life" in completion, he proceeded to immeadiately watch the twelve minute animation two more times after. By the time the show started a fourth time, he began to scream at the top of his lungs and roll his entire body backwards, feet over head, repetitiously in full circle, all while remaining seated in a chair.
When the fourth animation ended, he rolled his body off of the chair and onto the floor, rolling over every bare surface of the room. He knocked nothing over. He rolled around the only table of the room multiple times.
All the while, he continued to scream that he wanted to live.
He ceased moving all of a sudden, and came to rest sitting on the ground in Indian fashion. One of his acquaintances lightly grabbed his shoulder, and Toltexan immeadiately wrapped his arm around the friend's head and held it to his side on the left, all while not even appearing to notice any of these events, staring dead-eyed forward.
He asked his other friend if he was himself, repeatedly, and his free friend repeatedly answered that he was. His friend asked him to let the other one go, but Toltexan acted as if he didn't comprehend having anyone to let go of. His free friend, who is twice Toltexan's size, attempted to break the head-lock, combined with the efforts of the other, to absolutely no avail. All the while, Toltexan remained oblivious.
Eventually, though it's not been disclosed to him as of yet, he let his friend go. From what Toltexan gathers, it was probably at the moment he realized we was himself and indeed alive.
Sporadically that evening, Toltexan would quietly say aloud that he wanted to live in the same repetitious manner. He feels this was the only thing he could do to keep his life and mind.
He's never had an experience quite like this one, as he was relatively non-lucid. The deliriant experience seemed almost on par with this. With other entheogens, in dreaming, he has experienced states far beyond this experience and rational comprehension, yet he was fortunate to remain lucid enough to allow these experiences to be positively life-changing. All of these experiences and dreams, this last one included, have involved cannabis catalyzing the entheogen and experience.
