Opinions - LSD Facts

[thephilosopher01]

swim would like to know alot of facts about LSD which swim can not find on this site or has benn searching in the wrong places either way can anyone tell swim where swim would be able to look at the facts without the bullshit propaganda and charades. But also if anyone can answer swim this question which swim has'nt found the answer for yet. can LSD be used to increase or can make people have creativity increase through the process of using this substance? because swim has heard that it has been debunked. in fact this site in general had swim questioning LSD http://www.coolnurse.com/lsd.htm.
So if swim could be helped swim would gladly apperciate it, and swim would need scientific evidence or just evidence that would debunk this site.
(swim has done LSD many times, but is very curious as to the scientific research and also would like to teach ignorant people a thing or two about psychedelics)

[ticketmaster]

Hello M8,

Swim would have to say "Yes" to the creativity part,, Swim is a Dj/Producer of Electronic Dance Music for over 20yrs. When swim hangs out with lucy, a point of reference in producing sounds/songs is used, Knowing what sounds good while hanging out with lucy can then be integrated into the songs, This is no secret in the music industry.

Ever listen to a song and say what was that!, "That" was a strategically place sound/noise that was inspired most of the time from an"Enhancement" of some sort, although not all. Some producers are talented and can capture those sounds without ever being altered.

On other notes, it has been known that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs have experimented with Lsd, I would say they are pretty creative wouldn't you?

Respect!

[Felonious Skunk]

Philosopher, I didn't find the info on that sight to be propaganda at all. Except for some minor factual errors, it was a fairly reasoned discussion.

What put you off about it?

[ThirdEyeFloond]

I think the site is ok in general but some of this bit is questionable:

LSD's use in scientific research has been extensive and its use has been widespread. Although the study of LSD and other hallucinogens increased the awareness of how chemicals could affect the mind, its use in psychotherapy largely has been debunked. It produces no aphrodisiac effects, does not increase creativity, has no lasting positive effect in treating alcoholics or criminals, does not produce a model “psychosis” and does not generate immediate personality change.

Has Grof et al.'s work with LSD-assisted psychotherapy been debunked?

From SWIMs own experiences he would also question the supposed lacking aphrodisiac and creative effects. Also he has seen immediate personality changes occur in subjects returning from the other side of a 'bad trip'* completely turning their life around.

*bad trip - as in difficult trip, with much emotional bagage comming up from the subconscious level, which can result in hours in hell if one is unprepared and incapable of accepting and letting go of those issues.

[thephilosopher01]

Philosopher, I didn't find the info on that sight to be propaganda at all. Except for some minor factual errors, it was a fairly reasoned discussion.

What put you off about it?

I didn't mean that the site had propaganda,the site was just the source that made me question LSD. by propaganda I meant abovetheinfluence and other company's that give off mislead or just wrong information, the site was just something aside that I had come across.

LSD's use in scientific research has been extensive and its use has been widespread. Although the study of LSD and other hallucinogens increased the awareness of how chemicals could affect the mind, its use in psychotherapy largely has been debunked. It produces no aphrodisiac effects, does not increase creativity, has no lasting positive effect in treating alcoholics or criminals, does not produce a model “psychosis” and does not generate immediate personality change.

this in particular made me question LSD's effects and that was what I was asking if anyone had any evidence to prove or mostly disprove this , because swim has had creative thinking while on LSD and wants to know if it was a illusion or it does chemically affect creativity.

[ThirdEyeFloond]

Originally Posted by thephilosopher01

this in particular made me question LSD's effects and that was what I was asking if anyone had any evidence to prove or mostly disprove this , because swim has had creative thinking while on LSD and wants to know if it was a illusion or it does chemically affect creativity.

Creativity would be hard to measure by any scientific standard, and even some of the most productive, naturally gifted artists will experience 'writers block' in some periods of their life, so it is a fluctuating size. By its definition creativity is the ability to add something new into this world, or to rearrange the known in a new way, so it would be impossible to measure by any standardized test, I guess random brainstorming could indicate if any creative thinking was going on at all but that still doesn't show much. Therefor I would like to know how they've concluded that LSD can't increase creativity. I don't mean its guaranteed that if you stuff some random guy with LSD he'd turn into Monet overnight, but the creative mind can no doubt seek inspiration in the visionary realms of acid, and LSD (and other drugs) has spawned alot of psychedelic art through various media, writing, music and paintings etc. Different artists have used different drugs, but the altered introspective states have always been a good source for inspiration through the ages. My cat knows people that have picked up painting, writing, making music and DJ'ing after they found a huge urge to express themselves after/during a trip (perhaps not LSD, but LSD and other oldschool tryptamines seem to be particularly suited). I think this lies deep within us all, and LSD can be an effective way to catalyze this potential into realization, obviously I wouldn't know as I have never used such an evil illegal substance myself. But not everybody that has taken LSD gets this urge, and not all artists find any good use for it, some may even find it a frustrating distraction instead. So there's no sure fire creative effect within the molecule itself. It's somewhat impredictable in its nature, and its effects as subjective as the ability of creativity. SWIY can't market LSD as a cure for writers block, as SWIY could stimulants for sleepyness and fatigue, but it would definately brighten the waiting lol.

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[Diogenes1970]

Swim has noticed that when hanging out with friends, and about to dose, swim and pals are all thinking they'll sit around and play our guitars and it'll sound great. It never really happens like that, however. Usually swim and friends start playing and then they're all so darned confused by the time of the peak, that they can't continue, and usually there was a party going on also.

I remember some semi-professional musicians telling me that it was hard as hell to perform on acid. One guitar player and singer in an all original band told me that he was thinking, 'yeah, we'll play like an orgasm' and then the whole show sucks ballz.

But one time swim did like a half of a dose (after swim had become very accustomed to acid) and swim wrote like a three-act play for a creative writing class. The play went on to be published in a book the English department put out every year, and sent to alumni. It was great. It was like the highlight of swim's college life, and swim wasn't even an English major.

Swim remembers that he wrote that play like a day before it was due. Swim had nothing, and had like a whole semester to work on it, but swim procrastinated. So swim took a half of a hit, alone (which swm would not recommend for unexperienced users), and began typing immediately. Swim wrote almost non stop for four or five hours, only breaking to get another beer or load another bowl, or to change the CD (this was long before MP3 players), and actually, swim wrote the whole play on an old electric typewriter.

It was a raucus comedy that swim called 'Can you believe she said that' and it was about gossip in a small town. I wonder if the drama department every put it on.