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Old 21-12-2007, 13:13
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Psychedelic drugs are necessary for life!

So I had a realisation.

OK don't spoil it the others of you who ALREADY had the same realisation... I know it's not particularly an invention for humanity, but anyhow here goes. Every extra person who realises it the better

So... basically... drugs are not only "capable of being good"... but "Drugs are NECESSARY"

Yep!

Why do I say this?

Well... think about it. What are psychedelic drugs? Drugs like peyote or magic mushrooms. They affect the mind sure... But they are heavily used by most native religions around the world, in a spiritual, magical context.

I say, that if you think of drugs merely as stuff that "gives pretty colors and nice highs"... then you are missing the point.

Drugs allow access to the magical realms.

What are dreams?

Dreams are when the mind has access to the magical realms too! Without the ability to dream, the human mind goes out of whack and disintergrates. Dreaming is necessary for life. Intergrating yourself with the magical realm is necessary for life. You don't even need to realise or even accept that you are doing it, as long as you do it.

Now, I have a 5 level model of reality. Once I explain my 5 level model for reality, I can explain what "a drug" is, better.

The levels are, in this specific order:
1) Spirit
2) Magic
3) Physics
4) Information
5) Logic


Spirit "just exists". It is the part of you that is free to choose. It is never born, and it never dies. Magic is what spirit does. Every choice we make, can create magic. Because a spirit can choose anything, then magic too is unlimited!

The thing about magic, is that it's very quick. Fleeting. Hard to get a grip on and "see".

But magic can be spun into stable circles. Once some magical-energy has been crafted so that it spins into a circle... it becomes... PHYSICAL!

It stays still, in a sense, forever spinning at magical speeds but in another sense staying stuff. Now that the magic has become "stuff", we can see it. We can create physical worlds out of it. Build hard stuff, where things can stand still, or can interact and bump off of each other.

But it does't end there. Physical systems can be organised into information processing systems. Like DNA, or the brain, or computers.

On the information level, in the "virtual reality", the laws of existance are different. Things exist in the perception. Things are what you perceive them to be. The number "6" for example, can exist in multiple places, and can be copied around infinitely. No physical object can be copied, but information can be copied!

That is what makes the software industry so rich, is it's low overheads, in that it can just produce huge numbers of copies of it's software without any extra physical requirements. Unlike bakers who need loads of physical stuff to bake extra cakes.

That makes the rules governing information quite different than the rules governing matter.

The 5th level, logic is built out of information. It is quite different than the other 4, and people don't understand it properly. It is the tool that will create paradise, actually. Logic is the most misunderstood level of existance by humans. Most humans actually fear or dislike logic, not because logic is bad, but because humans are bad. Logic cannot harm. Logic is pure good. Logic cannot lie. The previous 4 levels can be bad, and can harm. But logic cannot. It is different, and good.

Anyhow, once you understand my "5 level" system of existance... you can understand what a drug is.

A drug, is a physical thing, of course. A chemical! So in my "5 level of existance", a drug is on the 3rd level, along with teaspoons and other physical things.

But, drugs allow to translate magic, into information. Because physics you see, is connected to magic. And physics is connected to information.

So physics, forms the "Bridge" between magic, and information.

Drugs are that bridge. Drugs are the bridge between magic, and information.

When taking a drug, it allows connecting to certain energies out there. The drug is in your brain and other nerves around the body. The brain's sensitive and complex system of nerves detect the vibrations and movements of the drug chemicals, as these chemicals respond to the magical events going on all around us, all the time. The nerves then help translate these vibrations into real signals that the rest of the brain can understand. Wierd colors or meanings or shapes, or beings, or whatever.

Drugs not only help "Bridge" the magical realm to the information realm...

They also have chemical interactions with nerves, that encourage them to connect to them! They bind to receptors on the nerves, and send the nerves messages to activate themselves! Thus, the drugs can overpower normal senses, by overactivating the nerves which now are going to "process" the energy coming across the "drug bridge".

Drugs also have the ability to connect to "different sorts" of magic. Magic is unlimited, infinite, so there are definitely more than one kind of magic. Perhaps an infinite number of kinds of magic. Good and bad magic. In control and out of control magic. Healthy and unhealthy magic, even.

This basically explains why the brain naturally creates DMT. The brain NEEDS to create DMT! Or else it could not access the magical realms, at least not very well.

...

So in summary: Drugs are physical chemicals, and act as a bridge between magic and information, in the brain. Drugs are necessary because reality itself is magical. And drugs are natural because the brain creates DMT and probably other drugs too.

This does not mean that all drugs are good or that even a useful drug is still good if abused. Even a bridge can be used to allow access to bad energies, or merely overwhelm and cause psychosis. And drugs being physical, also have purely physical effects which can be harmful.

But drugs are here to stay. They are part of reality, and have always been a natural necessary and healthy part of reality.

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Old 21-12-2007, 13:53
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Re: Psychedelic drugs are necessary for life!

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Re: Psychedelic drugs are necessary for life!

Psychoactive substances serve as a catalyst launching you into another state of consciousness and awareness that shreds layers of ego resonating in your life once a trip is over and serves as a temporary connection to the collective unconscious. They are necessary but not decisive in mental evolution. Monastic men and women , among others reach these levels without any psychotropic enhancements at all..
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Psychoactive substances serve as a catalyst launching you into another state of consciousness and awareness that shreds layers of ego resonating in your life once a trip is over and serves as a temporary connection to the collective unconscious. They are necessary but not decisive in mental evolution. Monastic men and women , among others reach these levels without any psychotropic enhancements at all..
you missed the point. reread
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Re: Psychedelic drugs are necessary for life!

Hi,

Drugs IMO are just a collection of chems that activate/stimulate/adhere to cirtain reseptors in the brain. I know that ALOT of people all around the world see psychedelic substances as a path way to alternate realitys and there posative affects on some people have been well documented. IMO they make the brain more open to sugestion in which you can "apear" to visit other places. Im not very articulate so if any of this is not very clear when you read it please ask.

As for a necessity to live. I,m pretty sure that alot of people in this worl live without drugs and seem to be doing just fine.

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As for a necessity to live. I,m pretty sure that alot of people in this worl live without drugs and seem to be doing just fine.
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Try re-reading. I had a counter argument to that which you missed.
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Re: Psychedelic drugs are necessary for life!

Drugs can definately be of great help in accessing the magical realms, but to say they are required if one wants to do so, kind of downplays the power of the mind in my opinion. Many of the things people use drugs to achieve, such as feelings of peace or to see things from a new perspective, can be attained by thought and concentration alone. I believe that many people, even swim use drugs for these things simply because it is easier. As you said, many drugs are located within the brain, so if someone can manipulate their own brain, the same effects can be had. I agree with you to the point that drugs are helpful, but not necessary.
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Re: Psychedelic drugs are necessary for life!

Drugs are real, I wouldn't 'percieve' them to be necessary though.

A person is an organic entity which is effected by external and internal stressors, what is percieved or what is real in terms of necessity is merely justification of experience.... pychodynamics.

It is real that a person may have exprienced drugs, it is a perception that the experience was needed.

A person chooses.

So it could be said that Psychedelic drugs are a choice.
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Spirit "just exists". It is the part of you that is free to choose. It is never born, and it never dies.
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Magic is what spirit does. Every choice we make, can create magic. Because a spirit can choose anything, then magic too is unlimited!
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Drugs are that bridge. Drugs are the bridge between magic, and information.
I don't see why drugs can act as a bridge and why strong feelings of admiration for someone, or the gratification felt after accomplishing a difficult task on your own, can't act in the same manner, if not even more effectively.
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But drugs are here to stay. They are part of reality, and have always been a natural necessary and healthy part of reality.
I agree drugs are here to stay, but I don't understand how they are a necessity or intrinsically healthy.

Personally, I think you may need to lay off the durgz a lil' bit O_o

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Re: Psychedelic drugs are necessary for life!

Agreeing with mouthwater on this one..

Your "facts" are really just your personal opinions of your personal reality. Drugs are just another medium to get where you want to go.
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DMT is found on everything that grows. SWIM can extract it even from plain lawn grass!

Psychedelics are a must for growth, but I don't know why. :/
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I don't see why drugs can act as a bridge and why strong feelings of admiration for someone, or the gratification felt after accomplishing a difficult task on your own, can't act in the same manner, if not even more effectively.
I agree drugs are here to stay, but I don't understand how they are a necessity or intrinsically healthy.

Personally, I think you may need to lay off the durgz a lil' bit O_o
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It all depends to depend on one's definition of "living." I would have to agree with mouthwater here, since I am a bit allergic to excessive mysticism.
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Re: Psychedelic drugs are necessary for life!

Its a nice post op, but its the same as saying that God, or religion is necessary for life. The human Brain can do some do some pretty spectacular things with, and without the aid of drugs, that may seem magical and mystical, but imho the universe is a lot more meaningless than all this.

EDIT: I am not apathetic or pessimistic before it is suggested otherwise. I very much enjoy my pointless life!
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Re: Psychedelic drugs are necessary for life!

they're necessary for real life. for those whose minds have never been exanded to the outer realms of possiblity, then they think they are living real life but far from it.

it's so obvious to that something major is going on around us at all times yet most people in western society go about their daily lives (wasting them) as if there is nothing more to the day than a sun rise and a sun set. reality has it that every living moment is an opportunity. an opportunity to prove yourself to the Gods and make the most out of real life.

just as we have a world on this side, there is an equal web of power that is hidden yet has a major impact on the material world. many psychiatrists, scientists, and philosophers readily explain that the world can not be defined as is. there is much, much more than meets the eye. psychedelic drugs are one way to seeing the truth.
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Re: Psychedelic drugs are necessary for life!

The naturally occuring psychadelic 'drugs' of our Earth, of the generally perceived reality, cannot be necessary. Of all the living things that have died due to lack of survivability and that have been killed by superior beings, I am willing to assume that some (probably hundreds) of them were drugs we'll never know. By stating that psychadelic drugs are necessary, you are ignoring the simple biological fact that we, humans, created drugs after life existed. I say created because they are only drugs within our reality, we found them, used them, named them, titled them as drugs, and later outlawed them (terrible mistake, I agree).
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