heroin compared to oxycontin

[breslutbrebitch]

swim has done oc's before many times but heroin only once.
swim realizes they are similar chemically and similar in what they do to you
but what swim wants to know is how many swiys like both and if they do, which one they like better, find to be less addicting, or safer. just curious.

[samuraigecko]

SWIM loves both but has to say that REAL DiacetylMorphine is better and a lower dosage is needed when its good. Oxycontin is also awesome and they are a hard lot to compare but SWIM has to edge towards the DiacetylMorphine.

SWIM does not think that "less addictive" applies here as addiction effects different peoples in different ways. Heroin is probably considered more addictive but consider the source from which that information comes. All opiates have the potential for abuse, and the recreational use of Oxycodone is just as much an abuse as the recreational abuse of DiacetylMorphine. One can just as easily get hooked on either.

Ones two cents.

[JaWill88]

swim agrees one isn't more addicting then the other. they both generally do the same thing. heroin (diacetylmorphine) is way better when it comes to injecting. thats when one really feels all of heroins effects. if one ate heroin it would be the same as eating morphine because it would turn to morphine in the body before it reached the bloodstream. so there is no difference in eating morphine or heroin. when smoking, swim finds oxycontin to be better (but smoking either is a huge waste) but then again swim gets black tar heroin so one has to smoke more at a time than powder. snorting is a good way to compare them. swim would rather snort heroin than snort oxycontin. he does find it a little better and more euphoric. but they are quite similar. injecting is where its at. slamming heroin is way, way better then slamming oxycontin. using needles in itself is very addicting though as there is no reason to do a drug another way. after shooting heroin, swim started shooting his coke instead of snorting, which once again is WAY better hands down. so there is an addiction potential in that. hope this helps a little with what swiy was wondering.

[laws0n]

SWIM thinks that OC is more powerful to him than H. On OC SWIM feels very euphoric, dizzy, numb. SWIM usually snorts 20mg at night when he does it. SWIM usually only smokes around .1g of tar when he does it. He doesnt feel nearly as effective as on OC. He can do anything normally he would be able to do sober. Perhaps its because SWIM has never snorted H but OC seems stronger to him.

[Psych0naut]

Tar and normal heroin are very different in SWIMs opinion. Tar heroin is very polluted, and not even a snortable powder, while normal H is. Normal powder heroin, both the HCl salt and the freebase are a lot stronger and longer lasting than oxycodone in SWIMs experience.

[bloot]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

Tar and normal heroin are very different in SWIMs opinion. Tar heroin is very polluted, and not even a snortable powder, while normal H is. Normal powder heroin, both the HCl salt and the freebase are a lot stronger and longer lasting than oxycodone in SWIMs experience.

Tar can be turned into powder.

[JaWill88]

a whole lot of people who have done tar and powder tend to lean towards the tar. at least in terms of injection. it sucks to snort. the easiest way is to make it liquid and drop it in the nose, but it can be turned into a powder. some say that because of the way black tar is made not only contains acetylated morphine but other acetylated opiates as well.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by bloot

Tar can be turned into powder.

Yes, but it will often need another powder cut added to it, to turn it into a dry, snortable powder. Wax-like plant material if often a major constituent of tar heroin, which just can't be snorted on it's own. Most people dissolve it in liquid and drip the solution into their nose to ingest it nasally, but actually snorting tar on it's own is often impossible.

Originally Posted by JaWill88

a whole lot of people who have done tar and powder tend to lean towards the tar. at least in terms of injection. it sucks to snort. the easiest way is to make it liquid and drop it in the nose, but it can be turned into a powder. some say that because of the way black tar is made not only contains acetylated morphine but other acetylated opiates as well.

SWIM has heard different things. Tar is often cheaper, and more value for money, but powder is generally much easier to consume, and more potent, though this all depends on ones dealer. Indeed the other alkaloids, left behing in tar heroin, add to it's effect. It's just like morphine and opium, morphine causes opium's effects(morphine is the major constituent in opium, asides from plant material), but the other alkaloids synergise to provide a different experience from morphine itself.

[mikebobjohn]

What about taking oxycontin orally compared to injecting heroin? Which is better?

[lexifer]

swim has only ever snorted either oxy or heroin. swim tends to lean more toward the oxycodone then heroin mainly because with oxy he always knows how high he is gonna get depending on dosage. in swims experience everytime he gets some bags they are different and its either good dope or shitty dope. so everytime he does bags he doesn't know how high he is gonna get and depending on the bag he may have to snort 5 of em or just 1 if its good. but overall swim will take some good ol morphine over both of em.

[lexifer]

sorry cant edit post. but swim wanted to add that he thinks oxy overall is safer due to the fact that you always know the exact dosage with oxycodone and if you're smart about drugs then you have less of a chance of oding. but with h you unless you have a mg scale (swim doesn't know alot of people who aren't dealers that have one) you cant be sure.

[bloot]

Originally Posted by lexifer

sorry cant edit post. but swim wanted to add that he thinks oxy overall is safer due to the fact that you always know the exact dosage with oxycodone and if you're smart about drugs then you have less of a chance of oding. but with h you unless you have a mg scale (swim doesn't know alot of people who aren't dealers that have one) you cant be sure.

Even if one did possess a milligram scale it would not be very valuable to a drug user whose drugs come from a dealer because they do not know the ratio of heroin;cut.

[samuraigecko]

One will find that most people whom like to IV would prefer to IV Heroin over taking an oral dosage of Oxycontin.

That said however, SWIM does love to crush and rail an oxy from time to time and prefers it to Heroin for a totally different reason (only at times). This reason being that with using Oxycontin SWIM does not have to deal with the type of people whom sell Hammer (which he gets tired of at times).

Just an opinion.

[samuraigecko]

yep, one agrees with above. Railing is much better than oral when it comes to Oxy.

[mikebobjohn]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

yep, one agrees with above. Railing is much better than oral when it comes to Oxy.

And it's completely safe to snort, even if swim doesn't have much of an opiate tolernace? I mean, is there a totally safe dose, and what is it? (to snort.. immediate release oxycodone, taht is)

[samuraigecko]

that has already been answered a few times now in all the threads one has started. but to answer again one would say . . start with railing 10mg etc etc etc . . . if you have taken more than that with little to no effect then try railing 20. One is not going to tell you that it is safe or any other things because that is not a safe thing to do in a forum like this where one can easily influence another's decisions.