First time this weekend!

[lemos]

Hello all, my Christmas elf asked me this...

My 2nd cousin (female) and myself (male) decided to experiment with ecstasy this weekend at a nightclub. Now, i can get 2 pills from a friend. I have searched all over the net and I cant get some of my questions answered.

1- Can anyone actually overdose with 1 pill?

2- Since we both haven't had ecstasy before, should we share a pill?

3- I have work the next day around 10am. We would pop around 10pm the night before. Would 12 hours be enough to be fine to drive to work the next day. (That is, if we take half a pill each)

4- Since its our first time, should we stick to the X and not drink any alcohol?

5- My cousin, she is pretty tall but around 55kg. Will half a pill be too much for her?

6- Any other recommendations?

Thanks for the help guys
lemos

[RaverHippie]

First off I got excited just hearing about SWIY's planned experience.

1. You can't overdose on MDMA with just one pill. Other substances that could be inside of the pill probably don't exist in large enough quantities which could create an overdose situation.

2. Each taking half a pill is a fine technique. You can always come back two hours or so later and evaluate yourselves and decide to take half of the other pill later.

3. The pill's effects will be well gone by the time any serious thinking will be required of you the next day. After effects can still be there though. (By these I mean more of conceptual questions about the world like, Why doesn't everyone take this? Everyone would be happier if we felt this way all the time, etc.)

4. Ecstasy and alcohol isn't a very good idea in general, alcohol acts as a diuretic and while Rolling you tend to use up liquids so water will do you just fine.

5. Half a pill will not be overwhelming in a physical/chemical sense. the only overwhelming feelings that could come are just from experiencing MDMA for the first time

6. Make sure neither of you are on any prescriptions that are MAOI's or SSRI's: both of these will lead to bad scenarios.

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[RaverHippie]

Oh as a rule here we do not self-incriminate ourselves so when referring to yourself you use SWIM (someone who isn't me) and when referring to someone else you can use SWIY (someone who isn't you).

[Lettish]

1- No, unlikely. A typical ecstasy pill contains roughly 100mg of MDMA, which is not toxic enough. Bare in mind though, the pill might not contain large traces of MDMA, and could contain other substances (unlimited info about this everywhere). Get a testing kit, i.e Marquis.

2- It's wise, on someone's first time, to take half a pill before going out, to see if they have any allergic reactions to the substances in it, and to see if that particular pill is safe. Half a pill will probably give a very little buzz. If after say two hours, all is well, it's safe.

3- Yes driving will be fine after 12 hours. My friend could drive whilst under the influence of MDMA with no problems (he never will and does not in any circumstance recommend it). MDMA does not affect the body's reactions and senses like that of alcohol.

4- A wise move. Alcohol and MDMA is not the best combination in the world. A few small beers won't hurt, to losen the tongue and break the ice (start the night) but don't drink heavily, as this could cause dehydration after taking the pill(s). Do remember to drink water, but don't drink like a camel. Consume roughly 500ml per hour. Don't drink pint after pint after pint of water. It will feel possible, but control this, and just stay sensible. The mouth will become dry, so take some gum to chew. 500ml water per hour recommended.

5- Everyone's body is different and everyone has different tolerances. This also depends on metabolism. If unsure, always start with low doses. Try quarter of a pill before to see how that feels. Then go up to half, etc.

6- Swiy will absolutely love it. It's amazing. But keep that thought in your mind of staying safe. 500ml water per hour. If dancing heavily take 5-10 minute breaks to chillout. Remember, with MDMA, less is more. If the pill someone just swallowed hasn't done anything in an hour, don't take another in order to get a kick, this is how people get in sticky situations. Especially to amateur users, too much MDMA can be a real hard hit to the body, it can bring on a lot of anxiety and ultimately a bad trip. In the morning, eat some bananas and a glass of water. Try to eat healthy the whole day. Pop a multivitamin. The body will be exhausted and because the serotonin in the brain has depleted, the mood will be subdued, contempt, and a little down. This is normal.

My friend is so excited for Swiy's first time! Stay safe, have an excellent time.

[lemos]

thanks guys

he thinks they'll take a quarter each and then see if they take the other quarter.

last quick question, how do he cut a pill in 4?
just with a knife? carefully?

[Lettish]

Can be quite difficult to get even quarters. Half will be fine. Divide it roughly by snapping.

[criss]

A quarter of a pill?
Lets say the pills contain 60->120mg of actual MDMA.

A dose of between 15 and 30mg of MDMA is VERY little and whilst I appreciate you want to be safe and responsible SWIMs advice (which I don't consider to be reckless) would be to take at LEAST half a pill, and if it was one of my friends SWIM would actively encourage them to have a whole pill each.

[powerrobbie]

Seriously man if swiy wants to just eat a 1/4 of the pill you mine as well just throw your money down the drain as it well have no effect on an adult, eat a whole pill swiy well not regret it!

[Micklemouse]

Quite a mish-mash of advice there, eh? The only bit amongst it all that your Christmas elf can safely say is 100% accurate is the bit about reading the Rules & not incriminating your Self or others.

As for the rest, Hydroxy covers most of it but to expand on a few points...

True the average pill may contain ~100mg MDMA. It may however contain up to 200+ mg. It may contain ketamine, piperazines, dextromethorphan (dxm), amfetamine, PMA or nothing psychoactive at all. The best advice here if a reagent testing kit is unavailable would be to start small & be patient. Many people do not "get" Ecstasy the first time, some people have the most amazing 8 hours of their life. Some people only need a quarter to a half, some people need more, irrespective of their size or experience with the drug.

It is possible to overdose with one pill - not necessarily in the having to be rushed to hospital & stomach pumped sense (although depending on what is in the pill this is also possible), but in the sense of being overwhelmed by the experience or being extremely sensitive to the effects. With this in mind, it would not be advisable to drive the next day, or for that matter go to work if it can be avoided. Given that your elf has no way of knowing a) what is in the pill, & b) how they are going to react (are they going to be able to sleep? will they end up at an afterparty? will they be exhausted? will they still be under the influence?) or what sort of comedown they are going to have, having plans such as this is, A Certain Mouse tells me, just plain daft! The day after a pill, especially the first pill, especially if it contains MDMA, should be set aside for nice things - lazing around, ice cream, good films - not getting in a car & diving back into the real world. If all goes well your elf will be in a world of fluff that he will not want to spoil with drudgery & random events such as driving his car & dealing with work mates!

Alcohol. Up to your elf really. A Certain Mouse would recommend not though, at least not until home & safe - a glass of wine, a good gin or a decent beer can be a fine way to wind down after the night, although a cup of tea can be amazing too!

Other suggestions... baths &/or showers after the club are a must, followed by the joy of a change of clothes. Whilst in the club, look out for one another,keep "checking in" - partly just in case, partly cos it'll be hilarious watching each other going "Oh My God!" as, all being well, the pills kick in! Dance like no one's watching, smile like every on is your friend, but don't for god's sake go around telling every one you meet that you love them - it really is quite annoying to be honest. Most of all though, enjoy!

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[julian]

swim would take the whole pill. a quarter pill will do nothing. half of a pill probably won't do anything and theres a good chance you won't feel anything if you eat the whole pill. you are doing the right thing by educating yourself on this forum and asking questions. but if you're gonna do x, then just do it. don't hesitate and eat 1/4 pill.

[JKLJKLJKL]

Find out how good the pills are/ask friends/people who've done those specific ones. If SWIY finds them to be 'strong pills' just do a half, if people are just saying they are 'alright' then go a whole.

SWIM's first experience was a whole pill, but it was a very strong trippy pill and SWIM wasn't expecting it, next time SWIM did half and it was a good starting level.

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[lemos]

well, my elf advised me that one of his closest friends will supply him the ecstasy, and he is cool.

my elf just told me that he decided to share half a pill with its cousin (quarter each), and keep the other half just incase.

Its sure that since its the first time, a quarter should be enough.

Also, its asking, since its only a quarter, will it be enough to get a small trip?
Also, will he still need alot of water?
Also, since its ONLY a quarter, will he be ok the next day?

He told me to thank you all

[Lettish]

As posted above, a quarter of a pill is a very small dose and probs won't do anything. Probably be no need for water and won't feel any different the following morning.

My friend regrets mentioning quarter of a pill now, as this seems to be dominating this thread. Forget what my friend said about quarter and try half or a whole one.

[RaverHippie]

half would be the minimum I'd recommend, ususally half is ever taken to be sure nothing is bad in the pills then the rest is consumed.

[naatural]

hmm make sure your friend doesn't get carried away with the party and stays up all night... if he has full day of work in the morning

[Kodi]

Swims friends their first time had 1/3 a pill (just because all they could get was 1/3rd) and they had small effects for about 2 hours.

Swims advice would be for each of you to take a half, then in an hour or so, take the other half.

Swims dosage advance was 1, then 2, then 4, then 4 (these were bunk and even after 4 had very very little effect) then 1 again (very good ones) then 2 again

Everytime is amazing except if the quality is bad.

[papaism]

SWIM too would just suggest that SWIY take the whole pill. Even if it has some nasty filler (which since you say your source is trusted probably isn't all that likely), one pill has an extremely small chance of causing any trouble. A half would likely have very slight effects; plus carrying the rest into the club might not be the best idea (where SWIM is most clubs have pretty solid checks, although it is of course possible to sneak some in). Send it down the hatch before going in, stay away from alcohol, stay hydrated, and enjoy the experience.

[Nose Dive]

My Bill wonders how many other pill lovers are getting excited about this just looking back at their own experiences.

My Bill's advice is to take 1. The feeling that you get alone could be overwhelming, coupled with the fear that your going to have a heart attack and explode internally you will only need 1 at first.

My Bill says EVERYONE thinks that they are going to keel over when they take their first. It's mostly the excitement and the thrill. Bill says you will feel like your taking your life in your hands even though the dangers are so minimal it's incredible.

Remember just enjoy SWIYourself.