Drug info - Smoking blend 'Smoke'

[Mint boi]

My Ferret saw a product in his local headstore the other day called "smoke" it came in a small green tin, he didn't have time to inquire about it, but heard from a friend later on that its an effective product, with quite psychedelic effects.

Have any Swimmers tired it?

[ianzombie]

'Smoke' has been out selling spice/spice gold in my local headshop since its release a few months ago.
It was sold in a small clear plastic tub when it first hit the shops, but since then it has been repackaged in a nice little tin box.
its sells in 3g and aparently packs quite a punch.
Everone i know has prefared it to spice.

[Mint boi]

Do you know what the effects are? I've heard its more psychedelic than spice? That might not be true though! I guess my ferret will have to pick up a tin tomorrow and report back on the effects!

[Mint boi]

So there seems to be a lack of info on this potentially interesting product. My ferret is going to smoke some tomorrow night and write a report on it. If anyone can give an idea of dosing he would appreciate it, if not he'll work it out himself

[PolyFractus]

Has the ferret anything to report on the effects yet?

[rocksmokinmachine]

Here is a list of the ingredients:

Ingredients: Pure shade dried herbs and herbal oils of Blue and white Lotus petals, Jasmine flowers, cedar, myrrh, acacia, artemesia, Scull cap, Chamomile, Davana, Mullein, Calamus , Catnip, alpine lavender, Passionflower, Wormwood and a proprietary incense blend from a South Indian temple priest.

It seems alot of the ingedients are for flavour but there are some quite strong hallucinogenics in there, aswell as muscle relaxants. I wonder if the the wormwood has something to do with the "trippy" effects reported.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Good info

[Alfa]

There are rumours that this is the same product as Chillin-XXX, which has some adverse effects like puking and anxiety. But this rumour is not substantiated. If this is true, people should have the same adverse effects as with chillin-XXX

See: Chillin XXX Smoking blend - A brief report

[hirosum]

I've never had Chillin-XXX but I've been smoking smoke for a while. It's brilliant stuff. No adverse affects besides the obvious if you have too much. All in all, its very good stuff.

[rocksmokinmachine]

How does this compare to Spice Gold? SWIM found this very relaxing and free of anxiety and paranoia.

Anyone tried both?

[hirosum]

SWIM has tried both but he tried spice gold once and that was right after he had some weed and hash. He was the most stoned he had ever been but he wasn't sure which did it to him. But alot of people also don't get anything off spice gold and SWIM has yet to come across anyone who hasn't gotten stoned after having smoke. SWIM is going to have a bit of smoke now so he can better describe the effects so I'll post again soon.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Spice Gold certainly does something to SWIM, infact it is the closest thing to cannabis he has experienced. Here is a thread I posted on the ingriedients and thier psychoactive effects. I hope SWIY finds this helpful.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ld+ingridients

[hirosum]

Oh there's one thing SWIM fogot to mention about smoke is the very bad cotton mouth that you experience after smoking it.

[Mint boi]

on initial comparisons smoke seems more potent than spice gold, for my ferret anyway. He tried smoke for the first time after a few drinks the other night, and it was very strong for the small amount that he smoked (less than .2 grams). He will try it again soon without alcohol and write a full report!

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by hirosum

SWIM has tried both but he tried spice gold once and that was right after he had some weed and hash. He was the most stoned he had ever been but he wasn't sure which did it to him. But alot of people also don't get anything off spice gold and SWIM has yet to come across anyone who hasn't gotten stoned after having smoke. SWIM is going to have a bit of smoke now so he can better describe the effects so I'll post again soon.

My camel has yet to smoke spice gold with anyone and have them not feel any effects. He hasn't seen many reports of such online either, including the experience thread for the substance on DF.

This substance use standardised extracts as well I'm assuming?

[Mint boi]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

This substance use standardised extracts as well I'm assuming?

Must do, being active at quite low doses.

Unless the "proprietary incense blend from a South Indian temple priest" that rocksmokingmachine mentions turns out to be an rc or analogue of some sort.

EDIT:
So last night my ferret tried smoke again.

He rolled ~200 mg into a joint. Its a very harsh smoke, and my ferret found it hard not to cough as he got towards the end of the joint. The smoke smelled similar to the plant matter itself, not unlike cinnamon (this is possibly a contributing factor to the rumor that this is the same product as chillin xxx which my ferret has heard also smells like cinnamon).

Effects were noticed within about a minute of finishing the joint, it was quite a cerebral high, which my ferret found quite nice. It wasn't overly sedating, but it was relaxing. It was not unlike a cerebral cannabis high, and my ferret did prefer the experience to spice gold. The high lasted about an hour at its peak and slowly tapered off over about 3 hours. My ferret didn't notice any of the psychedelic effects that some users had descirbed to him, but his dose was low enough. Nor did he notice any of the adverse effects that are associated with chillin xxx.

Overall my ferret was satisfied with the product, at the dose he took it was a nice high, in the near future (maybe tonight) he will take a higher dose from a water pipe and investigate what the full blown effects are, and see if there are any psychedelic effects at all.

[Mint boi]

So my ferret shared some smoke with his rodent friends last night.

Mr Hamster: isn't big into drugs, and only smoked a little so he got only minor effects.

Mr Gerbil: smoked more than Hamster, and got very, very, very, paranoid. He has very little experience with drugs, only having used alcohol and small amounts of cannabis, so the extremity of his paranoia could be attributed to lack of experience.

Mr Chipmunk and my Ferret got some very interesting effects! The pair smoked more than my ferret had previously experimented with and found the high-dose effects to be very psychedelic and extremely sedating!
Chipmunk described it as drifting in and out of a mild salvia intoxication, which, my ferret tells me, is accurate enough! My ferret had strong cev's and some mild distortions with his eyes open.
The psychedelic effects began to ware off after about 45min, but the strong stoned feeling lasted a good 2 hours longer at least.
Altogether it was enjoyable, although the sedation was a bit extreme, my ferret had to get up and walk about a mile home at the end of the night and that was unusually hard as all he wanted to do was curl up and go to sleep!

Reputation Comments on this post:

Excellent info

[Streak of Blue]

Having smoked Smoke, SWIM would be very interested in doing Salvia sublingually, as he's heard that this produces a 45-60 minute trip, as opposed to the 5-10 minute trip taking a bong hit of Salvia induces.

Why? Because Salvia is something that could very conceivably be in Smoke, and SWIM found the trippy effects to be similar to salvia, if a lot less intense and more drawn out, as well as a similar tingly skin feeling to his salvia experiences. This leads SWIM to believe that the presence of other drugs in Smoke may alter the Salvia smoking experience and perhaps induce a high more like what is described by those who have taken Salvia sublingually - the trippy effects wear off after about 45 minutes, but the sedation persists.

SWIM must stress that Smoke is a very nice high though. Trippy, relaxing and sedating.

[bravedog]

this week 2 reports by people who had used both Smoke and chillin xxx/toke;they claimed they were the same thing.

[killosaurus]

Swim has used smoke on numerous occassions and felt that it was similar to salvia, came in waves and was much less scary.It was also much more potent that spice gold, swim found.

Initially i found the packaging misleading as it does not state the ingrediants and the website for the company organic worx(feel free to google) only stated that the website was under construction.
rocksmokingmachine, how did swim find the ingrediants?
smoke is only sold in one store in dublin and swim heard rumours from other stores that it was chemically sprayed and bad for ones health.
swim asked in the headshop where it was sold about this and they claimed they rumours were ficticous and spread by the other headstores to get business.

Also, swim believes that it may only be available in ireland or on the net as organic worx's website shows an email address titled similar to the headshop's name.

thanks

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by killosaurus

how did swim find the ingrediants?

By enquiring with a few e-mails.

[dslexic1]

Is smoke similar anything like sence? I read a post someone thinks sence and chill XXX are the same? Swim wants to know because he is takin notes and comparin them and wants to single out one good blend. Also could smoke be compared to indica or sativa. body or head?

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by dslexic1

Is smoke similar anything like sence? I read a post someone thinks sence and chill XXX are the same? Swim wants to know because he is takin notes and comparin them and wants to single out one good blend. Also could smoke be compared to indica or sativa. body or head?

Spice gold is an excellent blend. It is compareable to a cannabis sativa high in many ways. Then again, one could compare it to an indica as it has a sedating stoning effect afterwards, one monkey found.

[doublezero]

I found Spice gold to be like a mild sativa, I used to smoke weed and hash 24/7 for over 10 years. Stopped smoking weed and hash for over a year and Spice gold defently worked, I doubt you'd notice it much if you still smoke weed though

[killosaurus]

Its seems Swim have a new update on smoke.
I emailed both adresses on the smoke website and got this reply from the none hushmail account (the email to the hushmail account failed to send)
I have included my email for clarity.

My Email:

<Anemailaddress@something.com> wrote:

Hello,
I am a resident of Ireland and i am interested in your product smoke.
I have used smoke smoking blend on many occasions and i enjoy it very much, although people do seem to be often overwhelmed by it.
I am interested in any available information on smoke and more specifically, what it contains and what the active ingrediants are.
I heard a rumour that smoke containes CP,55940 , a synthetic canniboid. Is this true?
It's wikipedia entry can be found here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_55,940
Also, does smoke composition bear resemblance to the spice smoking blend or any other commercially available smoking blends?
I very much enjoy the smoke experiance but frankly, many of my friends have had bad or emotionally disturbing experiences with it. One user ever reporting losing consciousness.
This worries and disturbs me very much and although i find its use very enjoyable, i do not feel comfortable taking it if its contents are unknown and therefore, potentially dangerous.
Many people i have met have similar issues with smoke involving the lack of knowledge on its contents or method of action and this has resulted in many people i know refusing to take it.

I am grateful for any information you can provide,
many thanks,
XXXXXXXX

Their Response:

Hi XXXXX

Thanks for your interest in the smoke product here is some info for you,

Ingredients of SMOKE
Verbascum genus (carrier herba)
Aesculus genus (Escin and Esculin free)
Salvia genus (sclarea)
Cinnamomum genus (leaf only, no bark)
An endogenous primary amide

Organic worx have told us they will be posting this and additional info regarding smoke and follow on products on the site very soon and the rumour regarding the chemical you mentioned is not true im afraid. We have noticed that some people were concerned about the lack of ingredients listing on the packaging this was down to time constraints on the original print run and will be altered in the future. Regarding the negative reactions you also mentioned we have not heard of anything like that at all and would suggest that if you react in any way badly to anything you shouldnt consume it again regardless of what it is.

Kind Regards
IHS Team

I have googled all of the ingrediants and as far as i can tell( I am no chemist or botanist or whatever) everything except the mysterious and intriguing "endogenous primary amide" seems to have no well known psychoactive effects and therefore must be for flavour or some shit.

tell me what you think!

thanks
killosaurus

Reputation Comments on this post:

thanks for the info in ingridients, taking the time to contact the company and posting this!

[dslexic1]

Swim is looking for non indica like high, He doenst like his body to feel altered only his mind.