International - Predator response affects drug war?

[Cakes]

you know how a cat can't let go of it until it's dead? <is this why prosecutors MUST have a conviction. they openly acknowledge that it doesn't matter who they get...

is the predator response why the drug war continues? the ones who are actually CHASING just can't let go.

I think there may be a lot of truth in this. I wonder if there is a pee test for it.

[Pino]

That is an interesting thought. If my cat wants something, he just go on until he get something. Swim has the same attitude on many different terrains. When he solves a problem, he doesn't stop until he solved it. If he wants a girl, he will find one. -Not so romantic, he knows, but he is anonymous now- If he wants money, he will figure out a way to get it. If he want a particular type of project, he will get it eventually. etc.
Also when he buys clothes, he think up what he wants and where he can get it. Goto the city. Fetch them from the particular store and go back home.

But there seems to be a subtle difference. If he can't get an individual thing or person, he will move to the next. Oh wait, they openly acknowledge that it doesn't matter who they get..., didn't read that. Swim is really targeted on his goals. It seems to be a predatory thing. He once read, it is particularly strong in men. Therefore more woman in politics would be a good idea. It will give less a mess.

Swim is a cat person. He likes cats the most. Would there be a difference between cat-people and dog-people? (Lets not talk about fish-people). He always goes along best with the first category. This seems somewhat related.

The war of drugs certainly is a predatory thing. Many politicians have set there goals to the extermination of drugs and of course they don't want to lose it. They don't want to say to the public: "The last 20 years of my life, I have spent to nothing.". They have to bring back the meat. So they keep going on. It are hunters in a certain way.

[FuBai]

Originally Posted by Pino

That is an interesting thought. If my cat wants something, he just go on until he get something. Swim has the same attitude on many different terrains. When he solves a problem, he doesn't stop until he solved it. If he wants a girl, he will find one. -Not so romantic, he knows, but he is anonymous now- If he wants money, he will figure out a way to get it. If he want a particular type of project, he will get it eventually. etc.
Also when he buys clothes, he think up what he wants and where he can get it. Goto the city. Fetch them from the particular store and go back home.

But there seems to be a subtle difference. If he can't get an individual thing or person, he will move to the next. Oh wait, they openly acknowledge that it doesn't matter who they get..., didn't read that. Swim is really targeted on his goals. It seems to be a predatory thing. He once read, it is particularly strong in men. Therefore more woman in politics would be a good idea. It will give less a mess.

Swim is a cat person. He likes cats the most. Would there be a difference between cat-people and dog-people? (Lets not talk about fish-people). He always goes along best with the first category. This seems somewhat related.

The war of drugs certainly is a predatory thing. Many politicians have set there goals to the extermination of drugs and of course they don't want to lose it. They don't want to say to the public: "The last 20 years of my life, I have spent to nothing.". They have to bring back the meat. So they keep going on. It are hunters in a certain way.

At best women give equal amounts of mess as men do, mostly because there is a tendency to think maternally and try and mother or control. I think the problem would be just as bad if more women were involved in politics, because they have flaws of at least the same magnitude as men do.

[Pino]

But it is a different mess. So things get balanced a bit. Swim wouldn't dare to say, we have to forbid men to take part in politics. He just said more women.

[FuBai]

Originally Posted by Pino

But it is a different mess. So things get balanced a bit. Swim wouldn't dare to say, we have to forbid men to take part in politics. He just said more women.

If considered in abstract it would be easy to say that, by including more women we would have two messes to deal with rather than one; however I understand what you mean about a balance in politics. As for your signature I am just re-reading The Prince which is such an excellent book that I congratulate you on your good choice of a notary to quote.

[Pino]

I love his style. Pragmatic. Another paraphrased quote (don't have the book handy): Of course I understand the sovereigns under the pope are the work of God, so a mortal can't comment on it. But let view them hypothetically as work of men. The first swimmer

I don't think we should force women into politics, but we shouldn't block them out either. A practice which still does happen. It is of course not about the messes. -There was a certain irritated mindset about the war on drugs- But about the new point of views people offer, so there is more competition in the political battle field. A sort of ideologic darwinism. Survival of the most fit ideas.

The quote does indeed one long for Hell and not for Heaven. He said it on his death bed.

[Kodi]

I think it starts off as "I want to get this guy". And they keep going at it. However, sometimes their fanaticism clouds the justice process and their target gets away by what they consider a loophole. When this happens prosecutors get 'the eye of the drug warrior' and go on a rampage. Then when they realize that they failed to meet their goal, and a big drug kingpin gets off, they justify it by saying 'oh well look, I got these guys, now prices will rise and people wont do drugs!!!' This invariably ends up not happening, or happens for a month or so and then the process repeats itself.

These predators aren't driven by logic though, they are young hunters afterall and have selective memory, so after 20 years of repeating the same things and still not seeing a change, this is when they finally say that this isnt working and go join LEAP.

Kind of like a dog who chases its tail and never quite gets it, or the cat that pounces on the mouse toy everytime you move it, but becomes disinterested once it realizes its not real but continues to pounce everytime you move it.

Or if you saw the South Park about guitar hero, its like heroin hero...YOU NEVER CATCH THE DAMN DRAGON!

[Cakes]

These predators aren't driven by logic though

They don't even follow their own rules. If SWIM goes to jail, he is denied his 'drugs'. <<prescription pain meds like vicodin and also most psych meds. <<this is breaking the law. he is limited to tylenol. <<only available from the official med cart and sold at 5000% markup over street value<<also against the law in the US>called pirateering.

[beentheredonethatagain]

When Nik is on a mission, he wont give up until its complete. In most cases.
Specially when it comes to the score, or something in that catagory.

I would venture to say that LE probaly has that same drive and obsesion, in their own way.

Is it wrong? either on my front or theirs? well I would guess it depends upon whom you ask.
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as far as the meds in jail, if the inmate is prescribed something on the street, they must allow him access to his medicine, from that nurses cart.
I have seen time and time again , inmates inline to get their pills, usually psych meds.:P

[Cakes]

i believe you also disagreed with me in that other thread about whether poor people were in danger of starving. i said what my experience was and then you asserted it was wrong because you had seen lots of food giveaways advertised on the web. well i happened to be at salvation army today and saw a lady get told that NO ONE serviced her area (corning california). as in here is a list of everyone who offers services in this county (3 agencies) and she was out of luck.

and do you know how much food the salvation army gave me? and do you know how often i can get another bag. <<single bag, not plural. i can get one 4 times a year.

maybe they "must" give legally prescribed meds to those to whom they have been prescribed, but at my jail they don't. this i know for a fact because i have been there and so seen and so asked and so been told that it absolutely does not happen. i have seen SWIM with a recently reconstructed hip, SWIMmers with collapsed discs.. no one in the california prison system (except at the vacaville medical facility) has gotten anything other than tylenol or aspirin, just like my place STILL practices, for a long time. but my friend who was paroled today is telling me that recently they have started to give out morphine at other facilities. and that they are giving morphine instead of more common pain meds, like the script that the inmate came in with. <<this is the case with psych meds too. Once again, it is my experience, and my friend's experiences that tell me this, not just a distant scene i witnessed> upon entering a normal incarceration facility, psych meds are usually denied or lessened or substituted, with substitution being the most common behind denial. if entering a psych facility, then med taking is usually mandatory even if SWIM has a court order saying otherwise, <my experience. and also my experience>when i left that place, the deputies were told they were supposed to pick up a supply of the meds they got me hooked on to keep me "competent to stand trial" but the sheriffs said fuck that "it would take 15 minutes" to pick them up and i got transferred without them. When i got to the regular facility they said so what if the sheriffs left it because 'none of that med allowed' and tried to substitute some other stuff. i eventually got some of the same med after a LOT of hassle and even then the only option they would give me is to take a bigger dose (33% +) because that happened to be the size pills they could get.

note to SWIM about psych evaluations>be careful of introducing new concepts or using big words that the doctors may not comprehend because it makes them think you are suffering from things...

When Nik is on a mission, he wont give up until its complete. In most cases.
Specially when it comes to the score, or something in that catagory.

I would venture to say that LE probaly has that same drive and obsesion, in their own way.

Is it wrong? either on my front or theirs? well I would guess it depends upon whom you ask.

i appreciate this personal appraisal and the others like it that were offered. but in answer to your question, it depends on whether the person who feels such predatory urges perpetuates them upon another<if they do, then that is the point at which the situation becomes 'wrong'.

[beentheredonethatagain]

Cakes, please forgive me. You have reminded me that just because we live in the same state, the few hundred miles that separate our towns , seems as if we have the local authorites that march to their own drum beat.

I mis spoke in my earlier post, I should not have worded it so matter of fact.
It should have read , like your reply, stating that this was just from my ownexpeirences. ( which I know to be limited )

I do not mean to sound like some know it all, and of course that is the way it was written. sorry.

You help me understand that my own words , cause a problem sometimes for me when it comes to friendship and relationships, something I must re-examine.

I am sad to hear that Salvation Army has not been of much help to your community. May a new light come in to brighten the day. Beenthere

[Cakes]

Your response means a lot to me.

You know where I encountered (and still encounter) this difficulty is when giving gardening advice. I write about what I know works, and assure the folks asking that my advice is good but then all of a sudden discover that there are climates and soils that are very different than what i had previously known. I am sure that i have some very fine and easy to follow texts out there that will kill SWIM's plants should he use them. oops.

I am sad to hear that Salvation Army has not been of much help to your community.

but you know what? it may have only been one bag but it also had some baked goods in there. like the kind that people make. about ten different servings, including two kinds of gingerbread treats (like as in magic holiday gingerbread). so that tells you what kind of people do try to help.

[Cakes]

Oh wait, they openly acknowledge that it doesn't matter who they get..

I have been thinking maybe I should clarify this. For one thing, it is what they say on tv, like on Law and Order they constantly say that they don't care who hangs as long as someone does. but not everyone believes everything they watch on tv or has the misfortune to see shows like that. But I believe this is what they are doing when they plea bargain. Like earlier this year I got arrested for "terrorist threats". and they denied my request for bail on my own recognizance because I was such a danger to the person i threatened. the DA even said in court that he thought the bail was too generously low. But to my lawyer the DA said that he would drop all charges against me if my friend who also was arrested at the same time would plead to a charge. Now does that mean I am a danger or not? It seems to mean (to me) that the DA didn't care what 'crime' had actually occured or who had committed it and didn't care who got convicted but that he sure as hell wasn't going to go away without some kind of prize.

[turmoiled]

Okay cakes ! here s something. ontario has no bait and trap laws. US has something simular but you cant knowing trap someone. Now in ontario you can be sold something and 6 months later they will knock at your door and arrest you. So what would happen if i had a tape of this event ,but on the other hand listening to the cops brag about how many lawyers they sold to by name and that they own them,hmmm what would you think about that. When the crown "prosecuter" knows they have the defendants lawyer in the bag!!!!!!?????

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atrocious tale but thanks for sharing. welcome to dF

[Cakes]

that story makes me quite ill and also makes me think that they may target those people because not only is it a big lever and one seemingly practiced, but also, what self respecting criminal attorney does not already know several drug dealers and so is sure to have many secure sources without need to be looking for new connections?

the story reminds as well of the scenario that exists when the Public Defendant, paid by the court, knows that he gets all his business that way. i.e. he knows who it is who pays the bills and who it is that can loose the check in the mail if they choose.

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It makes me think that way too.