advice on base amphetamine?

[wbr]

was chatting to my uncle's parrot the other day and he said he was getting in quite a bit of base amphetamine - 7 grams ish he reckoned (very adventurous parrot) and would be taking it for the first time.

he had a few questions which i couldn't answer so i thought i'd post them here...

- what are the general effects as compared to standard speed, and relative comedown?

- what is a good amount to take for one night, stayin up til early hours (7ish)? parrot was thinkin maybe half gram would be fun. he said he's only done speed once before and never base so wants to make sure.

- how long do you stay up on base? parrot wants to take on a friday and has work (very talented parrot) sunday noon so is not bothered if he doesn't sleep til saturday eve but doesn't want to not be able to sleep after midnight on saturday night . i know quality can vary considerably with base but this is supposedly high quality, uncut stuff (said a very reliable friend of parrot) so should be pretty strong.

thanks for your help, he'll appreciate it x

[tinytom]

7 grams uncut? that would keep my little starlet going for quite some time.

if my little starlet were him as he would have reletivly low tolerance. so maybe 1 gram for the night/morning. he likes to go on feel more than specefic weight due to quality issues. if he were to take a few lines at 12 midnight he would no doubt still be very awake come 7am.

he also advises you to be careful as 7g's is a substantial ammount to loose/get caught with!
dont be anywere were you might in the slightest chance be caught.

oh and tell your uncles parrot a good time

[wbr]

parrot sends his thanks

he has one more question...

-advice for/against mixing it with other substances?

:P

[ShawnD]

Originally Posted by wbr

-advice for/against mixing it with other substances?

For future reference, one thing you can do yourself is lookup exactly what a drug does, then look for other drugs that either do the same thing or inhibit the body's negative feedback system.

For example, amphetamine causes a release of norepinephrine, which causes an increase in cyclic adenosinemonophosphate (cAMP). The body creates phosphodiesterase to lower the levels of cAMP back to normal, so anything that is a "phosphodiesterase inhibitor" would prolong that particular effect of having a high metabolism. You'll notice the first one listed on that link is caffeine, so drink a cup of coffee. The body also releases prostaglandin to lower cAMP, so look at "prostaglandin antagonists". That page says the drugs that inhibit prostaglandin are called "NSAIDs". Then on that page you see "The most prominent members of this group of drugs are aspirin, ibuprofen, and naproxen partly because they are available over-the-counter in many areas. Paracetamol (acetaminophen) has negligible anti-inflammatory activity, and is strictly speaking not an NSAID."
So that would mean take either aspirin (also called ASA) or ibuprofen (sold as Advil, Motrin).

Obviously you should double check anything you find on wikipedia, but it's a good place to start getting information. Stacking amphetamine with caffeine and aspirin is actually a very popular mix, and now you know why. As always, talk to a doctor or pharmacist before mixing anything, and start in small doses. This isn't one of those things where a screwup means you get dizzy and ill, it means you die.

[powercinema]

Swim had some very strong base in the last few months, advises don't mix with anything until you are used to how strong it is.
If it is comparable to Swim's supply, it will be very wet and strong smelling and a few dabs will keep you going for hours. Swim overdid it by plugging and snorting and ended up feeling quite rough for a few days, a quarter should last you a few weeks if it's as strong as swims.

[BlondieUK]

My friends cat suggests dabbing a little on your tongue to judge the strength, when your tongue goes numb you should feel the effects, see how long that little dab lasts and then use that to judge the potency of your base.

[cook_justakid]

since when is base about making swiys tongue numb?
what is swiy doing up there, benzocaine??

swiy can't tell how potent swiys base is cause certainty (in regards to potency) does not come along with speed (or any street drug)... but as it is a VERY impure drug swiy doesn't require a lab check & can guess by swiys tongue... If swiy has done WAY too much speed swiy might think so, eh

[BlondieUK]

Originally Posted by cook_justakid

since when is base about making swiys tongue numb?
what is swiy doing up there, benzocaine??

swiy can't tell how potent swiys base is cause certainty (in regards to potency) does not come along with speed (or any street drug)... but as it is a VERY impure drug swiy doesn't require a lab check & can guess by swiys tongue... If swiy has done WAY too much speed swiy might think so, eh

Whoaa.. relax =)

If you dab raw base on your tongue, even a little bit, it will make it go slightly numb.. all Swim was saying is that the effects should be felt at about the same time as the numbing sensation.

Then you judge how long that high lasts, and compare it to how much you dabbed.

From that you should be able to judge how strong your base is.

Please get rid of this idea that Swim is a base-fiend =)

[saloufas]

swims pet goat got some base. it looks like putty basically and the goat is wondering...how will he use it? he told me he likes the nose entrance rather than parachuting them.

[BlondieUK]

Dry it out somewhere, if it's good quality base it should go rock hard after a while, then crush it, chop it, snort it.

It should dry within about.. a day, maybe two. If it remains slightly sticky it may have been cut with sugar or something else.

[saloufas]

will it be snortable after that?

[Trogdor]

Please don't let swiy take half a gram. Way too much. Start with like 0.01-0.02g.

[sasafrass]

I dunno what the stuff is you guys are talking about. Would be great to see a analysis of this "base" putty. True amphetamine, or methamphetamine is an oil when free based (high Ph). So its interesting to hear about its effects. 20-50mg. is a good starting point for a no tolerance bird.

[sennyfyecent]

Ok the first thing is, base is exactly the same compound as amphetamine, the difference is that it is still in the 'free base' form. When drugs are manufactured, they are usually converted into some form of salt, this is for solubility, purification and stability reasons. If swiy looks at just about any drug (commercial) like codeine for example, they will notice that the ingredient listed is codeine phosphate as made a phosphate (PO4-) based salt. Amphetamine on the other hand is usually made into amphetamine sulphate (SO4(2-).

This will mean two things, 1) If it is base, it will be a dark orange/brown colour, whereas the sulphate form is white or very close to it.
2) When swiy is working out how much to take, they need to take into account the fact that the sulphate makes up part of the weight in the salt form and so there is less amphetamine per gram.

The free base has a molecular weight of 135, and the sulphate has a molecular weight of 96, giving the amphetamine sulphate a weight of 231. So if swiy normally has the sulphate form of amphetamine, and now has base, they will need to take 580mg to get the same effect as 1g of the salt.

Another way to put it is that 1g of base is equivalent to 1.7g of amphetamine salt.


In terms of how much to take, as everyone has already said this all depends on how much it has been cut. Obviously it doesn't have it neatly labelled on the packet but there are a few things to help swiy estimate.
1) Pure base will be a thick, gluggy, sticky oil that is dark orange/brown in colour, and it will have an increadibly pungent smell!
2) The price! If swiy paid the amount of money that would normally get them 7g of cut amphetamine, then you would have to assume that it isn't pure. (SWIM certainly hasn't met too many drug dealers that are in it to help out drug addicts with financial problems!
3) SWIM normally gets an 8-ball (8th of an oz or 3.5g) of cut base for AU$150. To cut it, 3.5g of pure base is mixed with glucose powder to make it up to an oz (28g) from which the 3.5g 8 ball is taken, meaning that it contains 0.43g of base. In terms of appearance it is a light cream colour and because of the oily nature of the base it is still doesn't form a perfectly fine powder.

That's bout all I have, hope it helps!