Drug info - coca leaves, mate de coca / coca tea and legality questions

[panchovilla]

Are coca leaves illegal when boxed up in Mate de Coca baggies?





This one dude in my bible study(TODIMBSC) class has mate de coca Zurit tea bags. this stuff is easliy purchased. He shared some with me and we tried it after bible study at his house in another county. Just one tea bag doesn't do shit, but one time we took some more than oneand I took some other stuff(some sort of OTC energy pills) I just got real anxious. Erowid says they are illegal and but they sell them on ebay and say it is totally legal and go through customs and everything and no problems ever. Just wondering?


Edited by: panchovilla

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

They will be shipped if you order them from Peru, and most of the time
they will be passed by customs. BUT, according to the letter of the
law, they are illegal in the USA. Which is silly, because US
Marines, and US Embasy personnel are allowed to drink it in the Andes,
to help with altitude sickness. You really can't get high from it, it
is just a mild stimulant like a cup of coffe. Only better for you as it
has vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants.



It really is medicine, not something to get high from. You would
have to go way out of your way and drink a hell of a lot of it, and
even then you won't get high like on cocaine, because it simply doesn't
get into your blood/brain fast enough.



Also it would be economically unfeasable to buy lots and lots of tea
bags and try to extract the cocaine, so what the fuck is the US
government tripping on by making this herbal medicine tea illegal?



SWIM has been ordering and drinking the tea for years, and has never
had a problem with customs or the law. But it is illegal.



Some of those websites that sell the pre-packaged tea bags also sell
big bags of whole bulk leaves. One could almost certainly expect
legal trouble if he tried to get that shipped in to the USA, as that
would be a more economical way to extract cocaine.

[panchovilla]

Thanks,BrugmansiaBrujo, I couldn't figure it out for sure. "Yea, mate de coca is fucking good tasting tea" says swim, furthermore, adds swim,"I am a big fan it taste better than green tea, and goes good with some liquors, and is a great way to start the morning, ten times better than coffee, it does not make me irritable and agitated like coffee, I don't even like cocaine, and suck at chemistry, but this some damn good tea."





Hey, BrugmansiaBrujo,do you know anyone who makesBrugmansia brewha? I wouldn't fool withDaturametel again, but I have some niceBrugmansia growing that have been perfuming the night air all spring. Lately I have been wondering about smoking the flowers, it is blooming like crazy. Seems like I have only heard of mixing the Brugmansia in brews though.? IsBrugmansia as toxic as Datura in general or on average? My Passiflora incarnarta have bloomed and I have eaten the flowers they tastegreat, sweet. I did not feel any effects, but I was on a combo of stuff for the pass couple days so who knows, I only ate a couple flowers.

[Bwen]

Are coca leaves legal to have in Canada? Also is there a legal way to buy the leaves?

[Alfa]

No, they are not. They fall under the UN convention on psychotropic substances of 1971, which Canada signed. Therefore coca leaves must be controlled by a Canadian law. But as strange as it may sound: coca plants are not controlled by that convention. It may be worthwhile to find out about that. It is hard however to keep those leaves from falling from the plant. Here in the Netherlands this event produces a class A drug. Therefore, I always try to dispose such a leave asap.

[Bwen]

One quick question Alfa Is there a source for coca plants in the source forum? Also how much coca leaves can one plant yield per cropping?If so I need to get 38 more posts!Edited by: Bwen

[Bwen]

Well if DrugPhreak’s 8baller is indead correct then it wouldn't be too hard to make cocaine... if this process works.






DrugPhreak’s 8baller
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910gm of coca leaves are finely ground and 155gm of sodium carbonate dissolved in just enough warm water to cover them is added and this is stirred for two hours. 1300ml of kerosene is added and the stirring is continued for 6 hours. After stirring the solution is allowed to sit for 30 minutes and the kerosene is separated off and filtered. 130ml of 10% H2SO4 is added to the kerosene and the solution is stirred for 30 minutes and left to sit for 30 minutes. The acid is then separated off and an excess of sodium carbonate is added with stirring until no more coca paste precipitates. The solution is filtered and all the coca paste is scraped from the vessel and laid out to air dry. The coca paste is dissolved in of 6% H2SO4 (10ml per gram of paste) and 10ml of aqueous 20% KMnO4 solution is added slowly (1ml every 10 minutes) with vigorous stirring to the acid (or until the solution is fairly colorless). This is left to sit for 1 hour (or until all the manganese dioxide comes out of solution) and then filtered. 10% NH4OH (about 10ml) is added to the filtrate with stirring until no more cocaine base precipitates. The cocaine base is filtered, washed with a little dH2O and laid out to air dry. The base is dissolved in 100ml of Et2O and filtered. 3ml of 37% HCl in 3ml of acetone is added with stirring (paying close attention to make sure the crystals don’t take on a yellow tint). Stirring is stopped and another 100ml of Et2O is added with some swirling. The cocaine HCl is allowed to precipitate in an undisturbed area for 3 hours. The cocaine HCl is vacuum filtered as the crystals are rinsed with a little Et2O and laid out to air dry.

Yield: 3.64gm – 9.1gm (average yield ~ 4.55gm) Edited by: Bwen

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

Damn, I haven't been in here a while. Hope you didn't drink/eat the brugmansia.



It's the same thing as datura, so if you didn't like one, you won't
like the other. Neither is really safe for the amateur urban
shamen to use orally.



Both can bew smoked to get a similar but lighter and more controllable
effect. You eat/drink datura/brugmansia, and it takes a while to
come on, takes a while before you find out you OD'd. But by then
it's too damn late.



With smoking the onset is more immediate, so you can titrate your dose and put the joint down before you've had too much.



Datura/brugmansia flowers smoked 50/50 with cannabis is a very nice thing indeed, IMHO.

[AS11]

Look what they sell online! *Link removed*


I don't really belivethat this teaactualy contains cocain but it didn't say it doesn't.


If someone wants to keep it secret or has a proof it contains Cocain, tell me and I'll remove the link.


EDIT: I found it's been maken in Peru.


EDIT2: My f*cking god! It DOES contain Cocain! *Removes the link*Edited by: AS11

[Benga]

Originally Posted by AS11

Look what they sell online! *Link removed*


I don't really belivethat this teaactualy contains cocain but it didn't say it doesn't.


If someone wants to keep it secret or has a proof it contains Cocain, tell me and I'll remove the link.


EDIT: I found it's been maken in Peru.


EDIT2: My f*cking god! It DOES contain Cocain! *Removes the link*

calm down...you should read up on the forum for coca tea, nothing new...it's a good alternative to coffee, healthy, far from a cocaine substitute. Cocaine is one of the alkaloids present, but in minimal quantities. Coca isn't cocaine. If you're in the usa you might have problems for importing some but in other countries people can get importation licences, south american speciality stores for instance...


ENACO is the national organism regulating legal coca in peru.Edited by: benga

[DURBANS]

They sell Cocaine Base as well, only for labs and such.


My question is, how much cocaine hcl (blow) can you get out of 1 kilogram of cocaine base?

[Benga]

Originally Posted by DURBANS

They sell Cocaine Base as well, only for labs and such.


My question is, how much cocaine hcl (blow) can you get out of 1 kilogram of cocaine base?

most sources mention that a kilo of finalized cocaine base has a conversion ration of almost1:1 . one kilo of base is roughly one kilo of hcl.


to order the base from themimporters need governement clearing of course, as mentioned on the website.


but coca tea is fine, at least in some places. from chatting with owners of a local peruvian store that some european governements have given out coca tea importing licences in the past two years.


bEdited by: benga

[armatitumor]

Can one theoretically extract cocaine from the coca tea?

[Benga]

yes, if you have enough of :


good quality leaves, ie with an alkaloid content higher than what is most commercial brands, and in a quantity over a kilo for sure, for which you can hope to get 3 grams of Hcl if you're very gifted / lucky


training in order to be precise in youracid base extraction, proper solventsand lab material because the stuff they do in the jungle involves hundreds of kilo of leaves, and when you scale that down you need to be very very very very precise. otherwise you get zilch


money and timeto waste on probably screwing upover kilo of teabags and getting nothing instead of the grail like 3 grams of (ok, very pure) Hcl


it can be done. But this gives you an idea as to why it's not common and some governments have decided that this risk is too limited to crack down on coca teabags.


Coca is GOOD, HEALTHY, rich in vitamins and has a high nutricion value, and is a light hassle free stimulant.


Cocaine, well it's...cocaine, with all the know dangers and potentials...


coca tea isn't going to flood countries with homemade cocaine (good luck), but is a good product, that helps to rehabilitate a demonized plant and make coca growing a more licit activity, well at least part of it.

[JewishNazi]

Originally Posted by benga

coca tea isn't going to flood countries with homemade cocaine (good luck), but is a good product, that helps to rehabilitate a demonized plant and make coca growing a more licit activity, well at least part of it.

lol, i can just see it now: The stereotypical Columbian drug lord becomes sick of been hassled by authorities so he decides to set up a cofe shop selling coca tea.


NB: nothing bad can be said about columbia or its people. Both are great.... i htink

[Benga]

Originally Posted by JewishNazi

lol, i can just see it now: The stereotypical Columbian drug lord becomes sick of been hassled by authorities so he decides to set up a cofe shop selling coca tea.


NB: nothing bad can be said about columbia or its people. Both are great.... i htink

Actually you're not far from the truth for Peru and Bolivia, but it's actually the peasants that are stake, and not the cartels which buy leaves orfamily processed paste.


They're organising into Coca grower's unions, lobbying and explaining how coca, (not cocaine) is a good healthy traditional crop. This is starting to have some influence on governments, as the ENACO example illustrates : official coca and coca derivatives, tea, toothpaste, whatever... Legal coca crops exist, and family coca fields are authorized in Peru for instance.


The problem is that narco-terrorist still rule the land, funded by the drug trade, nd it's a much more lucrative business...peasants willingly cooperate with them, or are sometimes forced to...Edited by: benga

[DrugPhreak]

Just testing out this new camera...








~250gmof leaves... these are just for chewing.








What's left from the last extraction.





Twokilos where used yielding~6gm of insanely pure Cocaine HCl after several ReX. That's a little over a gram on the mirror, but it looks like way more since SWIDP put it through a grinder that has the ability to reduce its mesh size to ~300. Doing so allows for product of the highest purity when ReX are done.

[DrugPhreak]

"most sources mention that a kilo of finalized cocaine base has a conversion ration of almost1:1 . one kilo of base is roughly one kilo of hcl."


Actually, paste to base is 1:1. Base to HCl is 2:1. A kilo of base normally yields one pound of the HCl.

[AS11]

DrugPhreak - I recommand removing these images from here because you get 2 years in the jail just for having drugs.

[DrugPhreak]

Twoyears?!?! Ok... SWIDP willbeeflushing that down the toilet after theymake this post. The picture on the bottom didn't come out that good... it looks more like spilled white out or something rather than powder. SWIDPwas trying to do a macro shot, but it's nearly impossible to do so without getting theirface/hands etc in the photo since it's on amirror.

[Benga]

nice picture quality, and omedeto forthe new camera. looking forward to seeing more work in progress in the future Edited by: benga

[DrugPhreak]

Thanks. SWIDP notices thatunder indoor lighting it's hard to get a really nice picture if great detail is desired, but theyhaven't messed with the digital and mechanical zoom yet. They arevery happy with allthe pictures they'vetaken outside though. SWIDP will definitely be doing some write-up's with pictures now since they finally stopped spending money on chemistryequipment and purchased a camera that is capable of taking decent pictures. SWIDP will be getting a few kilos of MHRB soon so the first thingthey plan to do isa DMT extraction with pictures... basically Marsofold's method.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urnchemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><O:P></O:P>Edited by: DrugPhreak

[kailey_elise]

Originally Posted by benga

...They're organising into Coca grower's unions,
lobbying and explaining how coca, (not cocaine) is a good healthy
traditional crop. This is starting to have some influence on
governments, as the ENACO example illustrates : official coca and coca
derivatives, tea, toothpaste, whatever... Legal coca crops exist, and
family coca fields are authorized in Peru for instance...

Coca toothpaste? Sounds like it might be a godsend for those who
have broken and/or sensitive teeth. Potentially less painful than
that Sensodyne crap (who's numbing ingredient BURNS LIKE THE DEVIL).



*WANT*



~K.Elise</span>

[Benga]

Originally Posted by kailey_elise

Coca toothpaste? Sounds like it might be a godsend for those who have broken and/or sensitive teeth. Potentially less painful than that Sensodyne crap (who's numbing ingredient BURNS LIKE THE DEVIL).

*WANT*

~K.Elise

you could try some natural toothpaste like Tom's of Maine if you're in the USA. Where I live I can get a similar product under the name Parondontax.

[Benga]

the problem with this kind ofrecipe is that it might lead some people to think that this is actually easy to do, which it isn't really (the person who did this is skilled, equipped and experienced)and bring a crack down on coca leaf orders...which would be sad


If you were a LE person strolling on this forum and came across such a recipe for one of the most fought against substance in America (for instance, but legal decisions made in america often have worldwide consequences), you would probably report this immediately...Edited by: benga