BZ

[HippieD9]

Does anyone know any more about this than thefew same bits of superstition floating around? There has to have been someone who's gotten their hands on this, I know I might feel like I'm runing out of new drugs to try.





Peace,


D.

[JimtheCactus]

Going to be super hard to even find this drug, and not many will even
know what you are talking about. Not to mention that the trip probably
will not be any fun because of how intense it is, and how long the trip
will last.



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[HippieD9]

But that's just what makes it interesting. What about the possibility of analogs, etc... With most of what we know being explored, I want to find the next line of drugs





Peace,


D.

[sunyata]

Jesus, man. BZ is a chemical weapon, they dropped this shit on 500 vietcongs and only a hundred of them lived. In normal doses, some people may have a blissful experience, and it will probably be an increased possibility for a bad-trip if you are in a combat situation, but still. It is related to atropine, scopolamine in effect, but not as lethal as the latter. Have you seen the movie "Jacob's Ladder", it's about Vietnam Vet's suffering from after-effects of BZ.

[HippieD9]

I know, I know. But you give anyone being shot at any sort of trip and it's going to be a bad bad time. It just seems to me that this is a class of drugs yet un-explored. Look at what happened with TMA.





D.

[sunyata]

Of course, I didn't mean to discourage you, I've just read to many bad reports about it as a chemical weapon, so I was quite amazed to see that someone actually wanted to try it. I did read about some soldiers who had a good experience, but they weren't in a combat situation. Since it is related to atropine and scopolamine in effect I think whether the experience is good or not will vary between individuals. Just remember to be careful, I think it would be especially important to have a sitter for this drug.


Good luck if you come across any of it.


By the way, what happened to TMA? I remember Shulgin mentioning something about from his army days, did they use it as a chemical weapon?

[HippieD9]

What I meant was that TMA was found by Shulgin to make him angry and irratable, and overall a scary sounding trip. TMA-2 is a great trip, and very chemically similar. That's why I'm wondering about BZ, possible variations on it.





D.

[JimtheCactus]

Only really bad thing with BZ is the trip lasts so long after effects
can still be felt up to a few weeks after the dose. Not to mention the
fact that its going to make even a very experinced tripper have a hard
crazy long trip.

If you really want to try its not suposed to be hard to make...but I
would bet money that the government would watch the chemicals needed
very close, and if you or the cook got caught the jail time would
be quite some time I would imagine sence as sunyata pointed out it is a
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[HippieD9]

Never though about that angle. Those guys use 9/11 to screw up EVERYTHING, don't they. &lt;sigh&gt;





D.

[sunyata]

You can find rcipes for BZ at rhodium, don't go distributing it in the drinkingwater if you make it.

[HippieD9]

Awww, damn. You're onto me. NOW how am I supposed to take over the world?