Health - Combination of XTC & Large Amounts Of Alcohol

[Frangossy]

SWIM is involved in a drug culture that is not normal to take drugs without drinking extremely large amounts.

But SWIM hears this is SO DANGEROUS !!!!

SWIM is asking you guys in what way is this dangerous and what kind of risks is SWIM taking when drinking so much alocohol with Drugs like ( COCAINE, XTC, occasionally not often SPEED ).

[Lettish]

Dehydration.

[doonie]

last night i was at an event where there were clearly a lot of drugs users present. about halfway through the evening i saw a girl being taken out on a stretcher and put into an ambulance.
word soon got around that she had been drinking incredible amounts of alcohol and had taken ecstasy, resulting in an intense dyhydration as one cannot tell how dehydrated they are when under the influence.


as for other froms of drugs, check out the other threads on this forum as they are packed with information. drinking alcohol whilst taking cocaine is probably even more dangerous, as it creates a form of poison and is really heavy on one's heart. so check out the other threads for sure.

[paau]

It's known that most deaths from XTC are caused by excessive alcohol ingestion alongside.

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by paau

It's known that most deaths from XTC are caused by excessive alcohol ingestion alongside.

Let's have some stats & references folks. Where these deaths from a straight combination of ecstasy (MDMA or one of it's close cousins) & alcohol? How much alcohol was drunk? Was MDMA actually found at the autopsy, if so how much? What other factors were involved - other drugs (including prescription, adulterants in the Ecstasy), overheating..? Was the persons system already compromised (cardiovascular problems, kidney or liver disease for example)? Was the death due to system failure or accident?

I'm not disputing that alcohol & MDMA can put a considerable & potentially very dangerous strain on a person's system - but then so can water if abused, never mind some of the other substances that get passed off as Ecstasy when sold in pill form.

So let's have a bit of backing for these statements - otherwise it just comes across as something Frank told us, and as we all know Frank has a tendency to talk crap!

[ddyer08]

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

Let's have some stats & references folks. Where these deaths from a straight combination of ecstasy (MDMA or one of it's close cousins) & alcohol? How much alcohol was drunk? Was MDMA actually found at the autopsy, if so how much? What other factors were involved - other drugs (including prescription, adulterants in the Ecstasy), overheating..? Was the persons system already compromised (cardiovascular problems, kidney or liver disease for example)? Was the death due to system failure or accident?

I'm not disputing that alcohol & MDMA can put a considerable & potentially very dangerous strain on a person's system - but then so can water if abused, never mind some of the other substances that get passed off as Ecstasy when sold in pill form.

So let's have a bit of backing for these statements - otherwise it just comes across as something Frank told us, and as we all know Frank has a tendency to talk crap!

Have to big-up that post ^^!! People should go by that to anyone who is really wondering.. I mean, SWIM have seen this subject been brought up so many times.. From a huge variety of sources from the internet.. Mixing alcohol and pills isn't the best thing to do, as obviously.. Alcohol dehydrates you more etc etc etc... Then again, SWIM knows people who do it nearly all the time and is fine...

[rocksmokinmachine]

Apart from the fact that it dulls the empathogenic/entactogenic feelings of MDMA, it also causes more dehydration. Stick to it on its own in SWIM's advice.

LSD and MDMA make a good combination

[hh339]

Not saying it's safe or anything, but SWiM's buddies have no problems drinking 50+ cl of booze and popping 10-15 pills within a few hours...which is idiotic by the way. It does have risks, but if scaled down a bit to just a few beers and one or two MDMA pills, I'd say it's just fine.

Moderation you know.

[marquezz]

SWIM turns into a dancing maniac...basically SWIM feels like jello...really depends on your tolerance. SWIM knows people who has passed out on that combination.

[Peppy]

SWIM has always found that ecstacy masks the effects of alcohol to the point where SWIM does not know if SWIM is drunk and ends up being very sick. SWIM always avoids drinking excessive amounts on pills/mdma and may limit it to one or two beers and ensures water is drunk (again not excessivly) throughout the evening. As mentioned the combination not only dehydrates but puts extra strain on what the body is having to cope with all at once.

[MrG]

I think the OP should look up Cocaethylene as far as mixing coke and booze is concerned:

"The combination of cocaine and alcohol appears to exert more cardiovascular toxicity than either drug alone in humans. Alcohol appears to potentiate cocaine hepatotoxicity in both humans and mice. "

[geezaman]

SWIMs sure he rememer that one of the main problems of mixing MDMA and alcohol, is that the alcohol is much less effective in getting SWIY drunk and so an individual can consume alot more, and will then be hit more suddenly by it when the MDMA wears off.
Spose another reason not to mix would be that SWIY will be much less aware of how their body is and more likley to miss warning signs of problems, untill SMACK SWIYs passed out.

A drug user much more experienced than SWIM always told SWIM not to mix them because it was a waste of the pills, SWIM always ignored this and got hammered but SWIMs last two experiences of E were booze free and he remembers significantly more about them, He also knows him and his friends did not turn into deranged idiots these past two times.

[phatstrife]

SWIM once drank just 4-5 beers (small buzz) before taking 4 pills spaced out over a few hours. SWIM couldn't be too specific, because the combination caused him to brown-out that night. Swim remembers talking incredibly quickly to an entire room, and suddenly lost Swim's train of thought, and couldn't remember either what Swim was saying or had been talking about, and just stopped talking mid sentence. Much of the rest of that night was similar, with a thin, overlaying mist of anxiety- I had to be having fun. Swim thought he couldn't really appreciate the experience until Swim was no longer drunk, but still rolling. Nevertheless, Swim had an amazing time, and has never been so drunk with pure delight and euphoria. The come-down lasting the next few days was Swim's most intense and greatest by far, this being his third roll.

[tinytom]

swim was lucky for a long time he would have alot to drink pehaps 14 pints then have xtc.
now he is much wiser and drinks verl little 6 bottles maybe..

[Lettish]

My friend says whenever he has consumed alcohol before taking pills, it has only been one or two beers and nothing more, and he does not even find the need to carry on drinking it whilst up on pills. He will consume some water based on how much he is exerting himself (i.e if dancing like a crazy fool about 500ml per hour, with 5 min resting breaks. If doing nothing then about 500ml over two hours).

[yaba]

Swim used to take 10-20 pills and drink as much as he could when living in Amsterdam. He woudn't now and except for feeling very very fucked in the morning he didn't have any problems. Swims advice is dont drink with the pills or at least not more then 1 or 2.

[Aight!]

Originally Posted by yaba

Swim used to take 10-20 pills and drink as much as he could when living in Amsterdam. He woudn't now and except for feeling very very fucked in the morning he didn't have any problems. Swims advice is dont drink with the pills or at least not more then 1 or 2.

but I wouldn't take mor than 1 or 2 pills either

[BrainMelt]

Swim has found that taking pills when already drunk causes the pills to have very minimal effect. Its a pointless combination to swim.

[HorrorShow]

Originally Posted by BrainMelt

Swim has found that taking pills when already drunk causes the pills to have very minimal effect. Its a pointless combination to swim.

Swim would agree with this, if he's drunk and then drops its not half as good as if he were sober. However he does like to have a few beers while high, but he wouldn't drink enough to actually get drunk. He finds it nice to have a bit of booze in him as it seems to ease the come down a little, however his friends disagree witht his saying that it makes the next days come down worse

[Nose Dive]

My Bill has to say that quite a few times he has mixed alcohol with E. This is not advisable. Because you feel thirsty and the alcohol dehydrates you more you soon end up drinking vast quantities without realising it. There have been incidents where My Bill has drunk half a bottle of Sambuca whilst rolling. On that night he apparently started talking about ‘Going to kill those bastards’ that were apparently outside his friends house. Needles to say there was no-one there and that night My Bill fell asleep stroking the head of his friend. +_+
Another night My Bill drank vodka and rolled. All was fine until he went looking for his missing friend. He remembers trying to get into someone’s back garden to visit the ‘Friendly dog’ that was snarling and barking. He also remembers climbing a tree to get back into his friends back garden when he could have walked around the front, subsequently ripping his new leather jacket, grazing his knee and dropping all his filters. He then promptly fell into a ditch and spent a good half an hour trying to stand back up, muttering to himself and cursing the way he was having such a good time whilst getting attacked by a thorn bush.
Though there have been times when he drank and rolled and not had a problem, why take the risk? SWIY could end up doing something incredibly stupid. Remember, alcohol lowers your inhibitions and E makes you think the world loves you. Lethal combination. This is without even dipping into the sever dehydration that can occur and the other undesirable chemical reactions that can take place (And that I don’t understand)

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Sounds like SWIM. good adventures;-)

[Micklemouse]

Oops! The Mouse had a bit of a brain-fart!

Moved as more relevant to this topic.

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

Oops! The Mouse had a bit of a brain-fart!

Moved as more relevant to this topic.

Heh, thanks Mouse

[naatural]

i think the behaviour that anti-alcohol advice is trying to discourage is that people don't drink water when they get thursty, but instead have a beer which only makes them more dehydrated etc etc

[dccuk]

swim got very violent and did alot of bad vandalism last time swim mixed the two
hell of a mix

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by dccuk

swim got very violent and did alot of bad vandalism last time swim mixed the two
hell of a mix

Strange reaction, could SWIY elaborate a little more.

As to some of the above posts. It is important to keep oneself hydrated while using MDMA. Alcohol has its own dehydrating effects. Keep up the fluid.