Interacting with people who have never taken MDMA

[criss]

SWIM has used MDMA on about 5 separate occasaions since august this year (trying to limit himself to once a month).

On SWIMs last roll he took a LOT and had an absolutely amazing time with his friends, a truly amazing night, with no comedown, just a nice afterglow for the next few days.

The issue SWIM has is that unless someone has had that intense experience, then SWIM finds it difficult to relate with them on the same level. How could they possibly be on the same level of conciousness unless they have had that rush?

Could SWIM just be seen as crazy druggy with a warped perception? (from the perspective of someone who hasn't taken drugs)
Does anyone else have similar feelings or experiences?

I think the root of the problem is that SWIM wants to shout out to the world "Hey! Come and have some of this, it's amazing!" But of course it's unrealistic and silly to push people towards somthing they don't want to do and isn't socially acceptable.

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[FrankenChrist]

Chances are you do look completely monged out.

SwiFr took it out of curiosity, not because of interacting with people or peer pressure.

[sknkv2]

SWIM felt the same the first time SWIM popped. Like people were no longer on SWIM's level (not necessarily superior) unless they had experienced what SWIM had.

Eventually SWIM got used to not being able to relate in drug use and realise that drug use is not the only thing SWIM could base relationship's with people on and just because people had not had the same experiences as SWIM, you could still appreciate them for who they are rather than what they have done/experienced - for SWIM at least.

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good considerations

[criss]

Originally Posted by insert_username_here

Eventually SWIM got used to not being able to relate in drug use and realise that drug use is not the only thing SWIM could base relationship's with people on and just because people had not had the same experiences as SWIM, you could still appreciate them for who they are rather than what they have done/experienced - for SWIM at least.

I think that's a really good way of looking at it, and furthermore if my experiences on drugs were what I used exclusively to define me as a person then I probably wouldn't be a nice person anyway!

thanks

[Lettish]

My friend says depending on the scenario, sometimes he loves feeling the separation from strangers when on pills. For example, if he is in a nightclub where the majority of people are drunk, and he is on pills, he prefers to disconnect himself from people and be left alone in his own little world of magnificent music and euphoria. Whereas, if the majority of people are also on pills then he can interact with them and feels connected (loved up feeling).

It all depends on scenario, surroundings, atmosphere, etc...

[Nature Boy]

SWIM gets along fine with people who are rolling when he isn't. It can be annoying if the person is inexperienced and yaps their mouth off nonsensically but generally they will mean well. SWIM considers himself to be an open individual although he is possibly difficult to approach. A MDMA user wouldn't see this barrier so it's all good. SWIM himself, when using MDMA, doesn't mind talking to non-users. It's nice to talk openly to someone who is grounded.

[Nose Dive]

My Bill kinda knows what you're talking about. He really wants to roll with all his friends but some refuse point blank to try it. That's fair enough but he still wishes that they could enjoy the experience with him. Also his friend said to him 'If you ever offered me E when I was drunk I would be real pissed off' But when rolling My Bill would offer it to a policeman.
My Bill still enjoys rolling around his friends though. As long as they don't mind him constantly talking and hugging them.
Edit
On a side note, My Bill has noticed that when rolling around drunken people he often notices the clarity he has in comparrison with them and get's frustrated now and then when drunk people are stumbling over their words and repeating what they say when Bill can't wait for them to pick up the thread of the convosation and start talk about the next insanley boloocks thing that pops into his head.

[criss]

Originally Posted by Nose Dive

Edit
On a side note, My Bill has noticed that when rolling around drunken people he often notices the clarity he has in comparrison with them and get's frustrated now and then when drunk people are stumbling over their words and repeating what they say when Bill can't wait for them to pick up the thread of the convosation and start talk about the next insanley boloocks thing that pops into his head.

Haha yeah, SWIM gets that as well. That's one of the reasons that rolling is best when there are other people rolling also.

[FrankenChrist]

I did find it rather amusing, that one time I got hugged by an e-tard who was still able to voice the following utterance of his love for the world:

"Ung.... gnuh? uuh!" *grin*

[Mint boi]

My ferret felt similar to OP after his first time on mdma, for a week or so, but he got used to it!


My ferret can be irritated by really drunk people when he's on mdma, they're really foolish and clumsy and they sometimes bring my ferret down a bit, so he tries to avoid them.

[meep]

Originally Posted by mint boi

My ferret can be irritated by really drunk people when he's on mdma, they're really foolish and clumsy and they sometimes bring my ferret down a bit, so he tries to avoid them.

The coke heads do that to swim. They just look different and swim can almost feel they are different in some way - its funny because you see other people walking a few feet around the coke head like he has a forcefield or something always makes swim laugh. (Swims not slamming people who like their coke however, swims just not a fan of the people that take coke and go looking for a fight in a club. assholes)

On the subject though, you'll most likely never relate in the same way you cant relate to someone thats walked accross the desert or lived through the 60's. You had to be there, man. same can be said for many drugs I think, until you've watched the walls breath and your face melt in the mirror you might not totally get acid?

Never mind, their loss huh!

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by mint boi

My ferret can be irritated by really drunk people when he's on mdma, they're really foolish and clumsy and they sometimes bring my ferret down a bit, so he tries to avoid them.

Although my Bill get's annoyed, if it's his mates he tollerates them. He remembers when he asked his very drunk mate for a quick hug. My Bill was sitting down at the time and his mate took it upon themselves to climb in top of him and just lay on him. That was annoying.

Or the time My Bill's mate got wasted when he was rolling and wasn't making the slightest bit of sense. He remembers him holding up a bottle of cola and saying 'I'm a chef, think of your three favourite things, I can make anything out of this drink' and other such ramblings. It made the night very entertaining.

But I wonder if anyone else finds this:
When Bill is rolling he usually ends up looking after everyone, trying to keep things running like a machine so that everyone's happy and gelling and whatnot but this is a part of rolling he really enjoys. Oh my god he misses it so much. I hear he's trying to find somone in his area but it's nigh on impossible. Oh, and he's buying a marquis set, just in case.

[kyrus]

swim felt exactly like you criss when he did lsd for the first time.

it was so amazing and spiritual in so many ways he just dont see the... point i suppose in trying to talk to some of his mates.he said he would much rather go on his own travels now and it much more happy being on his own or only with his very close friends (they dont do mind expanding drugs). not saying he would rather be a loner but he is does seem kinda disconected from alot of ppl he knows.. but not in a bad way in a really good way.swim relises now why some ppl are the way they are and is more patient with them.. partly cos he really could give about half the stuff they do seeing as he thinks its petty crap with no true meaning whish is something he never really thought about before.

i know this post wasnt about mdma but i thought the morale behind it was good for this thread!

[meep]

Originally Posted by Nose Dive

But I wonder if anyone else finds this:
When Bill is rolling he usually ends up looking after everyone, trying to keep things running like a machine so that everyone's happy and gelling

Thats the empathy! Swif and Swim want everyone to be as happy as they are.

Swims the same once he comes up - he feeds of giving other people good vibes and making them happy. Try taking some glow sticks (Auction site Esomething has them for super cheap) to a rave and giving them out, chewing gum or sweets are also good ones to give away - Promise you will blow your mind Seeing other people so happy to having something given to them IS THE BEST.

[naatural]

swim doesn't have that kind of problem. one of his favourite people to be around on mdma has never done it/never intends to. she just takes the piss (lovingly) and he finds it hilarious; it keeps the trip from getting too serious. in fact now that i think about it, >half the best times he has been on mdma, nobody else in the group was taking any. To be honest, and this sound kinda selfish but oh well, he finds it really disconcerting to see his friends in such an altered state of mind and this has gone to the point of ruining his trip multiple times...

[Bragzz]

SWIM has only tried it once, and managed to experience 2 different perspectives. He tried it on his own, and stayed with a friend at his house. He was completely cool, and the 2 just sat there and talked about family issues - pretty personal stuff. SWIM was the only person that was rolling, and the other had never tried it (and said he never will). He thought it was great talking to the guy and had a good time. Though, another person arrived during the last 2 hours of the roll, and things were completely different. He is "friends" with both of them, but one of them started talking about how "he doesn't want to look at his friend turning into a crackhead". I thought this was a major misconception, but I think it all boils down to how tolerant you are of drug use. All 3 people mentioned are pretty hardcore weed smokers.

[criss]

I think because MDMA is such a powerful empathogen, and people can have very negative views towards taking drugs that an emotional conflict can come up. I completely respect peoples views on drugs (even if they are based on misinformation and ignorance), but it's hard when I'm convinced that if SWIM just sat down in the right environment and rolled with these people (world leaders maybe!), then things could be so different. >:

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by criss

...it's hard when I'm convinced that if SWIM just sat down in the right environment and rolled with these people (world leaders maybe!), then things could be so different. >:

My Bill couldn't agree more. He wishes that these people would at least have 1 session with him in which they tried pills. That way they would have a reason for saying no. My Bill personally thinks that the majority of people who refuse to try new sustances are scared because they might actually like it and then they wouldn't have a reason to verbally bash it at every oppertunity.

[Shiacmkmleer]

SWIS isn't exactly proud of what he is about to say but... E is the ONLY drug SWIS has ever encouraged someone to try. Why? Because it was such a life changing experience for him. How could he not want to share the magic that he had found? If any of yall ever saw the ABC report on E an expert on drug policy they interviewed said the following (not exact quote)

When I look at ex-drug users the only group who ever think drugs actually improved their life were the Ecstasy users.

That being said I don't know why you guys don't love being hugged by the MDMA user whos first time it is and is completely in love with the world. SWIS LOVES to baby sit/help people on MDMA who need it. Why because the feelings he felt his first time... he wants to make sure everyone gets to feel. the positive changes in his life that occurred after first time use... he wants for everyone.


(oh god after reading this thread ... SWIS really wants to get politically active on the side of MDMA therapy for PTSD)

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by criss

SWIM has used MDMA on about 5 separate occasaions since august this year (trying to limit himself to once a month).

On SWIMs last roll he took a LOT and had an absolutely amazing time with his friends, a truly amazing night, with no comedown, just a nice afterglow for the next few days.

The issue SWIM has is that unless someone has had that intense experience, then SWIM finds it difficult to relate with them on the same level. How could they possibly be on the same level of conciousness unless they have had that rush?

Could SWIM just be seen as crazy druggy with a warped perception? (from the perspective of someone who hasn't taken drugs)
Does anyone else have similar feelings or experiences?

I think the root of the problem is that SWIM wants to shout out to the world "Hey! Come and have some of this, it's amazing!" But of course it's unrealistic and silly to push people towards somthing they don't want to do and isn't socially acceptable.

Swim felt the exact same way after Swim's first roll. Swim tried to start a dialogue about drugs in his extremely conservative suburban public high school in sociology class. The teacher stopped SWIM before he got too many words out and everyone stared at SWIM shocked like SWIM had a bomb strapped to SWIM. SWIM was in an altered state, very child-like for a solid 5 days after his first roll. Great memories there.

[TMM]

Originally Posted by criss

The issue SWIM has is that unless someone has had that intense experience, then SWIM finds it difficult to relate with them on the same level. How could they possibly be on the same level of conciousness unless they have had that rush?

This all depends on how you wish to relate to people. Many would say that the point of the MDMA experience (one of the more useful ones, anyway) is that you translate its lessons, whatever they may be for you personally, to everyday reality. If the experience is leaving SWIY less open and less able to interact with certain people, whatever the individual interpretations, it's safe to say something is amiss. Maybe SWIY should think about this the next time he does it, and perhaps consider trying it alone, where it's just SWIY and his thoughts; it takes on a very different character.

But as for levels of consciousness, if you want to look at it that way, everyone occupies a different one. If they didn't, there would be no need to try to 'relate with' anyone. Bear in mind that SWIY's isn't necessarily better or higher. Observe the way in which SWIY relates with those who have shared his experience, and find the character of this that is desirable, then go from there. Experiment. See what happens.