Lettuce opium

[mitchellca]

Could anyone give my good friend Dr.Frasier Crane any info on this?
Whether its worth him getting etc..

It's cheap and legal so i'd assume its not going to be a wild high but what is it comparable to?

Thanks

[Lehendakari]

SWIM only found the extract to be a mild relaxant, nothing special, nothing opiate-like and overall not worth it

[samuraigecko]

One agrees with above. VERY mild relaxant, in fact SWIM would be hard pressed to notice it. Opium Lettuce contains no opiate alkaloids, it is only called opium lettuce because the leaf structure looks similar to the Opium plant.

Hope this has helped.

[mitchellca]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

Opium Lettuce contains no opiate alkaloids

Yeah sorry i wasnt quite sure whether to put it in the opiate section or what.
This is kinda what my friend expected though.
I think he wont bother at all then.

Thanks

[joe]

swim would recomend california Poppy instead of lettuce opium as it produces mild opiate type feel and its legal and a lot cheaper and easyer to get hold of. make a tea with about 50gms california Poppy some honey and lime juice, it taste ok

[JaWill88]

Originally Posted by joe

swim would recomend california Poppy instead of lettuce opium as it produces mild opiate type feel and its legal and a lot cheaper and easyer to get hold of. make a tea with about 50gms california Poppy some honey and lime juice, it taste ok

a little bit opiate like eh? sounds good. of course swim is assuming it's barely anything like opiates at all but still maybe a little better then the lettuce. anyone else have any experience with calif poppy? oh yeah what about the oriantle poppy? the pods can actually be milked like papa som as the pods can get large pods. they grow all around swims place. are they anything comparable to california or lettuce (either plant matter or sap) ?

[joe]

Originally Posted by JaWill88

a little bit opiate like eh? sounds good. of course swim is assuming it's barely anything like opiates at all but still maybe a little better then the lettuce. anyone else have any experience with calif poppy? oh yeah what about the oriantle poppy? the pods can actually be milked like papa som as the pods can get large pods. they grow all around swims place. are they anything comparable to california or lettuce (either plant matter or sap) ?

someone told swim that calif poppy has been used to help with opiate withdrawal in LA. although its mild and goes not contain any opiates. apart from the papa som swim does not think there are any opiates in any other poppy but not sure....

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[ironmics]

If you look over on the e-dot forums, look up moth mullein. There is a lot of posts by me about it. Not much is known about its risks or toxicity though, but I'm still ticking. The other person who has tried it relates it to a green substance, but I think it feels pretty opiatelike.

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[samuraigecko]

california poppy is a waste of time, it contains some very minor alkaloids and is used in traditional medicine but it has no REAL application.

Hope this has helped

[Cakes]

medicine is an application.

oh yeah what about the oriantle poppy?

Some people report success with them. but some orientals may not have any or just a little.

[0utrider]

ah if one would want to try lettuce opium, what dosage should he go for? he wants to make a tea, with dried plant material and is thinking to start out with 10-15g, what does SWIY think about it or recommend?!

[twindaddy]

Yes I concur, skullcap tea is another mild relaxant california poppy extract smoked has a mild effect, I find good kava kava to be the best legal relaxant bought otc of course uei ktatom (legal) the best opiate like ,euphoric.energizing all that

[0utrider]

with 2 sideffects,
kratom being addictive
and kava being illegal in many countries

.. could anyone please help SWIM with the dosage of dried wild lettuce plant material, its kinda urgent..

[twindaddy]

swim does not think it matters the dosage because it isnt going to have a effect other then make one drowsy, swim wraps loose herbs in a coffee filter tying with those wire bread wrap things and boils then seeps, wild lettuce swim would try 4 heeping table not tea spoonfuls and go up from there if euphoria is what swiy seeks wild lettuce for sure aint gonna do it chamomile will do the exact same as wild lettuce

[0utrider]

ok SWIM knows for sure that in large doses it literally fucks you up, unexpectedly, in a negative way, now finding the way between "a little" (which, by the amoun of material might seem a lot) and a lot (which means insane amounts of material) is what SWIM wants

[Cakes]

Dosages -
.75 grams to 1.25 grams or more of powder ,
30 to 60 drops of tincture,
1 to 5 grains of alchoholic extract (5 grains = 1/3gram<what that is in fluid oz idk),
1/3 gram - 1 1/3 gram of Lactucarium (i think this might be a red ball or chunk),
2 drachms of syrup USP (7.1ml or .24 ounce).

Okay that is just a quote from one vendor. As you can see, the substance can come in different forms. Some are the resin and some are the raw leaves and some might even be something else, idk. Also, if SWIM gets the raw leaves- the thing might be* that there are different species that produce this chemical. Well there ARE different species that produce it. and their strength can vary enough so that SWIM should confirm which kind he is taking if he is trying to start out with more than just a taster test. and the above quote does not show 'taster test doses' i think. i think it shows fully active doses.

*I say might be because I do not know what types are actually being marketed by the head shops right now but I do know that all types have been in cultivation recently and so can be expected to be out there somewhere.

Caution: even moderate doses may be poisonous to pets.

[Cakes]

ok we looked and wiki says that Lactuca scariola and Lactuca altissima are stronger than the usual Lactuca virosa that gets sold. Lactuca sativa and Lactuca canadensis variety elongata are weaker. and most lettuce has it to some degree, even the iceberg type.

[Cakes]

sorry for the triple post but i notice y'all are online right now.

I have heard wild lettuce confused with wild dagga/lions tail before; so SWIM should watch for that.

There can also be potentiating herbs for wild lettuce; like dagga might do it. There are others and most herbs have them. and some herbs potentiate many others, like dagga does by dilation of the blood vessels.

[0utrider]

well SWIM is collecting it himself, and hes pretty sure he got the right thing or definitley one of the potent (more or less) ones.