Oral use - "Chewing" coca, in leaf form or coca teabags

[spiderman]

have any tried chewing coca leaves ? If not what can i do with these leaves, and some experinces or basics about them.


thanks

[Mike177]

The leafs are often chewed (held in cheek) or brewed into a tea, If your looking for something that’s like a line of blow, this ant' it.

[spiderman]

no I know it's not similiar to it at all. I hear it's similar to Very strong coffee. And you feel very energized throughout the day. I mainly want ot hear other people's view points on what they think or experienced with the coca extract or leaves.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by spiderman

no I know it's not similiar to it at all. I hear it's similar to Very strong coffee. And you feel very energized throughout the day. I mainly want ot hear other people's view points on what they think or experienced with the coca extract or leaves.

well if you really want people's opinion read the posts that were made on the subject, as this question pops up *every week*. Use the search engine or browse the 18 pages or so of this section of the forum.


It's nothing like coffee, it's nothing like cocaine. just read up !


especially if your question is going to be on extracting coca leaves, is it possible, what yield etc...


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as for extracts, you can make very strong tea or macerate in alcohol, nothing much on the subject yet, though commercial drinkeable extracts exist in peru and bolivia, along with coca wines, toothpastes, etc


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[punkanini]

I've seen extracted & powdered coca leaves for sale on certain dark corners of the web, does anyone know of the insufflation potential with this? Is it only good for tea?

[Benga]

Originally Posted by punkanini

I've seen extracted & powdered coca leaves for sale on certain dark corners of the web, does anyone know of the insufflation potential with this? Is it only good for tea?

if you're talking about c. sour like preparations, no go.


it's very good for tea and gives quite a nice kick to alcoholic brewages, but the taste is special.


a good drink though, stimulation found to be stronger than tea but nothing to get wired about. Some have also found the mixture weak, so...

[punkanini]

so it's physically impossible to insufflate?

[Benga]

Originally Posted by punkanini

so it's physically impossible to insufflate?

considering that the dose that you would want to dissolve in a glass is around one or two tablespoonfuls for a very mild effect, that it doesn't disolve that well ( you have to stir for a few minutes) and that it's also got sugar and flavour agentsin it among other things, one would guess that it's not possible. same goes for coca leaf powder, which is basically what this is except flavoured and made soluble...


just dissolve 100 grams of sour ina bottle ofwhisky, add some coca cola and lemon juiceand drink that, good drink and the sour counterbalances the depressant qualities of alcoholEdited by: benga

[Benga]

Another option, which is delicious : hot coca wine.
look for the recipe by typing "tonic" in the search engine.
this not only works but tastes really good, which is not always the case with coca leaf based preparations
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[Katabatic]

Swim decided to put 4 teabags of Windsor brand in his mouth with Sodium Bicarb inside them. Mouth was a bit numb but not much noticeable effect otherwise. Hmm?

[HydroxyMethoxy]

wtf?.......

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[Jiggles]

SWIM has been interested in coca tea bags lately as an alternative to caffeine but has found that a lot of the brands he tried are crap.

On a side note too if SWIY is looking for a cocaine high from coca tea bags, SWIY should start looking elsewhere... Coca tea stimulation is believed to be from the secondary alkaloids and not just cocaine. A quick google search shows that coca leaves have only betwen .1 and .8 percent cocaine

[Benga]

well, swim found the windsor brand to be of very low quality as well.
in bolivian brands, mac matte seems like a better option.
peruvian coca is in usuallyl of better quality from swim's experience.
it's not that the leaves have been processed, just that they're not high quality, dull taste and not very strong.

[FrankenChrist]

And lastly, don't expect anything close to a coke high from just leaves.

[Katabatic]

What would be differently done to make leaves high quality as opposed to low quality?

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Katabatic

What would be differently done to make leaves high quality as opposed to low quality?

plant used, location and growing conditions, altitude, watering of plants ( most coca plants get weaker if they get a lot of water) period of harvest, selection of plant leaves ( bigger leaves are usually weaker, leaf grade selection is important, pretty much like tea's super fine tippy flowery golden orange pekoe, some manufacturers might be tempted to mix crops, or mix another plant in the leaf powder etc), age of the leaves used and leaf stocking / preparation conditions all have an influence on the product's potency.

as for asking for pm sources, this is against the rules.

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[tayo]

Hannibal knows that some vendors are selling old product too, it appears much dryer and a little more brown and dusty than the newer stuff. I wonder how much degredation occurs.

[Katabatic]

Perhaps swim expected too much.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Katabatic

Perhaps swim expected too much.

perhaps. also make sure that the technique is right. swim would say that if 3 to 4 teabags in the mouth with a pinch of baking soda in each, the teabags tucked between gum and cheek and kept there for *at least* 25 minutes (40 minutes should be fine), while not swallowing the abundant saliva ( yes, coca isn't that great of a social substance) and gently pressing / sucking on the bags doesn't produce that much of an effect then the tea is indeed pretty crappy.

most people don't keep the bags long enough or spit/ swallow the saliva, while it's through the saliva that the akaloids enter the blood stream. but it has to be in contact with the mouth lining's mucosa long enough. it's a gradual process, both in terms of extraction and administration.

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[Katabatic]

Originally Posted by Benga

( yes, coca isn't that great of a social substance)
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right on that..

How much baking soda should be used, exactly? How salty should it taste?

[Benga]

how salty ? hard to tell. it is salty,swim likes the taste but most palates find it "gross", disgusting etc...
swim uses a small coffee spoonful per teabag. the kind one would use for stiring in an expresso cup.

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[AceOvArts]

"Owing to the presence of the stimulant alkaloids, the coca tea provides a source of energy similar to coffee. The tea is often sold commercially in filtering bags, each of which usually contains approximately one gram of the leaf. As coffee can be decaffeinated, the coca tea can also be decocainized; however, after undergoing such a process it will still contain a minute quantity of the drug (about 4 milligrams per tea-bag).When the cocaine is removed, the amount of cocaine is small enough for the product to legally sell in the USA according to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs. In the 1980s the tea was used to wean cocaine addicts off of the drug."

This from a vendor of Peruvian Mate De Coca

[Benga]

well there was also a coca tea scare in the 1980's which forced coca tea off north american store shelves...the so called decocainised tea really wasn't...
and it still isn't, actually. Vendors write what suits them, or maybe this is just hopeful thinking.
Does the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs really mention a quantity of cocaine which would be allowed ? must have missed that part...

[Matt The Funk]

SWIM has matte de coca and finds that its a nice little substitute for caffiene, and his prefered tea in the morning. Does anyone know if matte de coca is a good brand?

[FrankenChrist]

I wonder what matte de coca contains. Perhaps maté, which is a whole other stimulant ? Just wondering.