P.E.P Pills

[anony]

SWIM has discovered some pills called P.E.P pills, they come in different forms, x, love and trippy.
Interested if SWIY has ever used these?

[trptamene]

This is covered by other forums, as these pills are known to contain piperazines and in particular BZP.

Swiy might want to browse the piperazine forum

Although I haven't found a thread related to this exact product so making the thread was OK...

anyways...swim tried this once...he was lookin for an MDMA substitute, but in the end it wasn't what he was hoping for.

The experience was nice during it but in retrospect felt very artificial & something was just off about it. Swim has always been wary of piperazines, mostly as he is rather unfamiliar w/ them and information about them.

[anony]

did swiy think they were worth the money or effort? or pointless?

[trptamene]

He thinks it was worth it...the experience was enjoyable but as said b4 something seemed off about it...

Some ppl really like piperazines so swiy may have much better experience.

[Pino]

The problem with piperazines is, one has too like the experience. Somehow some people react bad on them. Like freaking out or having an alienated feeling. Headaches, nauseas. This seems to be the same for at least mcpp, pfpp, bzp. Mcpp is the worst of the three. Pfpp seems to be the best tolerated in swims environment.
If one likes piperazines, one would like bzp (benzylpiperazine) probably as much as amphetamines. -Or even more so- At least this is in swims case. But a friend of swim, just doesn't like it.

This is all anecdotally. Swiy can react differently on these drugs.

[Euphoric]

This thread already exists: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...&highlight=PEP

SWIM has tried them and enjoyed them, as have about 10 people he knows who have done the same, no unpleasant experiences to report. Oh one said they got nothing but a headache from them. Other reviews were positive. They contain BZP and TFMPP as well as other things.

[trptamene]

Damn...with the exact same name too..how'd i miss that. Thanks, Euphoric.

Can a mod merge these please?

Originally Posted by Euphoric

as well as other things.

things like that worry me...

[Euphoric]

You're welcome.

Originally Posted by trptamene

things like that worry me...

Well SWIM doesn't know what other things there are for sure as he didn't do an analysis, but the if the packaging and website are accurate, the active ingredient is the piperazine blend (BZP and TFMPP) the other ingredients include:

• Amino Acid Blend.
• Citrus Aurantium.
• Vit B1, B5, B6.
• Calcium Ascorbate.
• Encapsulating Aids.
• Piperazine Blend.

SWIM should add his experience as well as the experiences of others he referenced dealt with PEP originals. SWIM found loved up to be weak. Perhaps loved up would be good if one were particularly sensitive to piperazines. Didn't try X. The Twisted was slightly more psychedelic, maybe some breathing in the atmosphere and music was enhanced. SWIM thinks he's read that twisted have contain mcpp or some other piperazine. SWIM's favourite though was original. He finds it quite pleasant and unique as far as highs go. Very 'feel good'. If SWIY tries, just use one. SWIM finds one is enough. If it doesn't do it for SWIY give it a break and try two a week or more later. SWIM won't vouch for the safety of these things though. There's quite a bit on reports and some sci data online though. Enjoy the research and be safe.

[trptamene]

^^ahhh...i didnt realize they listed ingredients...its been over a year since swim looked at these...but he wouldn't have ingested if the ingredients were uknown so this makes sense.

Some of these type of products purposely do not as they consider it a "proprietary formula". Tho we all know the real reason as to why not disclose this.