Opinions - Do you find that using LSD/mushrooms alters subsequent marijuana or other highs?

[zera]

So, many people who try psychedelics find that they have been permanently or for a long time changed by the experience. Do you find that for a long time after a trip to that LSD-like or mushroom-like level of thinking that when you use marijuana that the experience of the trip has "infected" (not necessarily a ban connotation, just a description) the marijuana high. Especially for the first few weeks or so after tripping.

Might happen with other drugs for other people, but he's only really experienced it with mary jane. Not sure whether to really post this in here or cannabis forum, but swim figured LSD users were more likely to have tried marijuana than vice versa. Figured this thread might have a better "hit rate" here.

[Jatelka]

Certainly, other drug experiences are affected.

The flamingo has always thought of it as a sort of "state-dependent" learning. Once a bird has experienced the LSD state, it's quite easy to get back to similar states through other altered realities.

She doesn't really smoke MJ, so can't really comment on that particular aspect. But if sleep deprived, things often get LSD-ish around the edges.

She also seems to hallucinate with MDMA more readily than her flock-mates (although apparently women are more prone to hallucinations on MDMA anyway).

[Shampoo]

The neurpharmacological relationships LSD and Mushrooms share with each-other and with other psychedelics may play some role in this. Stimulation of the 5-HT2 receptor is a result of ingestion of LSD, Psilocybin, Mescaline, and many other drugs, including THC. The relationship of seratonin to psychedelic effects is not concrete but has been a consistent correlation with nearly every one, outside of the elusive characters like salvinorum. An interesting test would be to see if GABA receptor influencing drugs or Salvinorum, perhaps even Opoid receptor stimulating drugs, would also have this psychotropic bleeding effect. If not, then perhaps another mechanism is at play...

[zera]

Originally Posted by Shampoo

The neurpharmacological relationships LSD and Mushrooms share with each-other and with other psychedelics may play some role in this. Stimulation of the 5-HT2 receptor is a result of ingestion of LSD, Psilocybin, Mescaline, and many other drugs, including THC. The relationship of seratonin to psychedelic effects is not concrete but has been a consistent correlation with nearly every one, outside of the elusive characters like salvinorum. An interesting test would be to see if GABA receptor influencing drugs or Salvinorum, perhaps even Opoid receptor stimulating drugs, would also have this psychotropic bleeding effect. If not, then perhaps another mechanism is at play...

It's interest you mention salvia. Swim has had the salvia high bleed through into a very high cannabis high. There are some other factors though that may still make it psychedelic related

1) The two salvia highs that swim would say it seemed most like were the ones he had when he tried mescaline with it, then later lsd. Not as much like the salvia trips he started out sober, but without a doubt the feeling was definitely much more describable as "salvia infection" rather than "lsd infection of marijuana high."

2) These salvia memories happenned around the same time swim sample DMT for the first time, so maybe there was some interaction there.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Jatelka

But if sleep deprived, things often get LSD-ish around the edges.

Ditto for SWIM. I guess smoking marijuana produces a similar kind of drowsy effect hence this, as you put it, LSD-ish effect.

SWIM remembers smoking some decent bud in the days after a particularly mind-bending LSD trip. Some of the thought processes returned, only for mere glimpses at a time.

It's been a while since SWIM has touched any psychedelic however so this feeling has become something of a distant memory.

[penta]

After swim last did an 8th of shrooms, even normal life seem altered for a few days after. It was only swim's second time doing shrooms, and swim excitedly thought swim could handle the effects that swim was going to feel. However, the trip seemed to last for swim for over 12 hours, and even after 12 hours, swim still wasn't seeing everything like normal. When swim smoked some cannabis a day later, swim definitely could tell that swim wasn't experience a normal cannabis high. Everything seemed just to be a little more "off" then it usually was when swim smoked.

[crackcityrocker]

SWIM has always felt a different kind of high when smoking weed up to 2 or 3 days after a good trip on shrooms or LSD. his thought processes did seem more LSD-like, as SWINB stated, and colors were more vibrant. obviously not as intense as an actual trip but definitely similar. many of SWIMs friends agree. SWIM has always wondered if his mind was playing a trick on him, reverting back to how he felt when he smoked weed while he was on LSD or mushrooms (he cant think of a time that he didnt smoke while tripping), or if it was a relationship between psychedelics and marijuana that was more pronounced due to tripping recently.

[Metomni]

SWIM not only experiences changes in the marijuana high 2-3 days later, but is pretty sure it is permanently changed. For a while his marijuana highs had the LSD and mushroom-like sensations. Then, after he had his first really intense trip on mescaline he can feel that at work ever since as well.

SWIM agrees with the statements made prior about the state-dependent learning and believes this to be precisely what is at work in him. Basically, he is taught what it feels like to be on mescaline, for example. Then, he likes the feelings so much that he tries to recreate them and luckily the brain functions seem close enough in marijuana to the others that it works to some degree without any conscious effort.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Metomni

SWIM not only experiences changes in the marijuana high 2-3 days later, but is pretty sure it is permanently changed.

Really? Could you elaborate? SWIM carried this notion for a while too but prolonged isolation from psychedelics brought back the feeling that being high (off weed) was just again, the same old high. Egh, don't I know how to make weed sound shit.

[Metomni]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

Really? Could you elaborate? SWIM carried this notion for a while too but prolonged isolation from psychedelics brought back the feeling that being high (off weed) was just again, the same old high. Egh, don't I know how to make weed sound shit.

With SWIM, it's not so much that he trips similar to mushrooms or an LSD experience with a few tokes, it's just that he can tell those mechanisms are at work while the marijuana is doing it's own, different stuff at the same time. That's the best way SWIM can explain it. SWIM realizes he's not very good at describing this, but it is hard to explain how it feels, he doesn't even quite understand how it works within himself.

It's also quite possible that abstaining from psychedelics would show SWIM that it's all just his imagination.

[spoony]

Indeed, swim has noticed that the day after (esp. after night-tripping) that a bowl and a cigarette may bring back a little of the acid feeling but after a good night sleep weed just feels like weed. However, after, say, day-tripping on mushies it seems that when the mushies are done with their thing they stay done. swim tried salvia a couple times and it really has never done anything for swim but waste swim’s money.

[mybloopwentsplat]

swim had a bad trip once and still cant smoke weed becuase it makes him anxious and very scared...