Will Rolling Once Cause Major Problems?

[penta]

Swim has always been interested in trying ecstasy. However, swim has heard many stories about people swim knows that have become e-tards or have become very depressed. Swim has also heard many stories about the devastating crash that comes during the comedown from ecstasy.

Swim knows that there are ways to fight the depression (smoke bud the next day, take 5-htp, ect.), but swim is also curious if taking ecstasy once can cause permanent brain damage and change swims mood drastically. Swim has an anxiety disorder, but swim has taken multiple different stimulants in the past with not many problems (excluding benzedrex). Would it be okay for swim to try it, or does it seem like a risky chance (more anxiety, breaking down)?

[BrainMelt]

Swiy should give it a try. Swim has anxiety issues too and if anything MDMA use has relaxed these problems(atleast mentally, the way swim perceives anxiety itself).

As long as swiy doesn't abuse it like crazy, swiy will not become e-tarded or depressed. The comedown is not bad at all. Its more like it just wears off and you feel retarded the next day.

The experience of rolling is well worth the slight side effects. Taking MDMA once will not cause any permanent brain damage or cause mood problems in the future.

[penta]

Swim thanks you for the help.

Swim is also wondering if it's safe to combine ecstasy with alcohol? Swim has heard of people doing this before and really enjoying it, but swim doesn't know if that type of speedballing could cause sever damage or not.

[BrainMelt]

Swiy should not drink with it. Not only can this lead to severe complications including death, but it severly takes away from the effects of ecstasy. Anyway E is so much better than alcohol that there is absolutely no point whatsoever in such a combination. Swim has done it before and it never made the effects better, but did increase heart rate considerably. In some cases it stopped the pills from working altogether.

[grandbaby]

If one is not being foolish about his consumption (taking large amounts, staying up all night drinking and dancing), he should feel considerably less hungover than he would after a night of mild to moderate drinking... the crash is proportionate to the high... start low and work up to an ideal level.

[penta]

Hmmm, swim finds that very interesting. Swim doesn't think (if swim rolls) that he will try alcohol with it. Swim has heard good things about smoking bud with ecstasy from two close personal friends, and swim is definitely willing to try that. Swim also heard that bud can be very helpful the next day when swim is coming down from his ecstasy trip.

[tinytom]

take it easy your first time, swim likes to keep benzos on hand.as sometimes 6 hours after dropping swim get very serious panic attacks and his body temp soars.

have fun but stay safe!

[penta]

Swim was also thinking about keeping some of his benzos just for the comedown. However, swim doesn't think he will be doing ecstasy soon because swim just doesn't feel comfortable with taking them yet. Swim knows its fun and all, but swims worried that swim may not be able to handle himself, or that swim may do something that he will later regret...

[jamie_128]

swim would also like to know

swim had a bad social anxiety disorder

its now improved loads and swim was wondering, would rolling maybe trigger swims anxiety attacks back up again?

also if swim sticks to one pill will swim be ok if this one pill happened to be something else like pma, considering it is only 1 and therefore there wont be much in it?

[naatural]

drinking imo is a very vague term; a couple of pints before and maybe a bottle of beer/whisky and coke after shouldn't cause any problems at all. alcohol is only dangerous in the sense that it dehydrates, and so should not be used as a substitute for water!!

also it's very rare that friends who are trying e for the very first time experience a comedown unless they have taken way too much. swim's first time he had 1 pill, then another 1/2 2-3hrs later, and even though he was tavelling directly after the experience, he felt amazing all throughout this time, through till a late breakfast and bed. it felt as though the high never really disapeared but kind of tapered off really sowly, and by then he had a good meal in and was feeling pretty sleepy

i think that issues like social anxiety are only a problem if they are repressed, or if people worry too much about them. for instance if swiy has something to take his mind off (if he has gone to see his favourite dj or something) it shouldn't bother him at all.

also, swim has heard non-stop that on the stimulant end mdma is the least anxiety-causing (that said he has had some unfortunate anxiety experiences, but they weren't scary or anything, he just had to go off and be on his own for a while and then got better)

lastly, swim was surprised when he tried mdma with how together you feel when on it (after the comeup that is; this first stage feels a bit mongy for about 30min but not as bad as being drunk or anything like that). let's put it this way if you wanted to pretend you were sober you probably could unless the person is well familiar with the drug himself.

ps: nobody should take a pill if he suspects it to be pma thats just not worth it imo :/

[jamie_128]

Originally Posted by naatural

drinking imo is a very vague term; a couple of pints before and maybe a bottle of beer/whisky and coke after shouldn't cause any problems at all. alcohol is only dangerous in the sense that it dehydrates, and so should not be used as a substitute for water!!

also it's very rare that friends who are trying e for the very first time experience a comedown unless they have taken way too much. swim's first time he had 1 pill, then another 1/2 2-3hrs later, and even though he was tavelling directly after the experience, he felt amazing all throughout this time, through till a late breakfast and bed. it felt as though the high never really disapeared but kind of tapered off really sowly, and by then he had a good meal in and was feeling pretty sleepy

i think that issues like social anxiety are only a problem if they are repressed, or if people worry too much about them. for instance if swiy has something to take his mind off (if he has gone to see his favourite dj or something) it shouldn't bother him at all.

also, swim has heard non-stop that on the stimulant end mdma is the least anxiety-causing (that said he has had some unfortunate anxiety experiences, but they weren't scary or anything, he just had to go off and be on his own for a while and then got better)

lastly, swim was surprised when he tried mdma with how together you feel when on it (after the comeup that is; this first stage feels a bit mongy for about 30min but not as bad as being drunk or anything like that). let's put it this way if you wanted to pretend you were sober you probably could unless the person is well familiar with the drug himself.

ps: nobody should take a pill if he suspects it to be pma thats just not worth it imo :/

really swim was wondering would the comedown affect his anxiety the next day?? not when on it although swim is aware he could have an attack , im mainly focussing on the comedown

what is the comedown like after one pill the night before?

swim has done half then half a pill on one night and felt fine nextday

week after swim did 3/4 pill then half pill bit later swim felt fine nexy day just tired

swims wondering if he drops a pill whole at once will this cause a comedown?

swims mate always gets bad coemdowns with paranoia and depression, whereas swims other mate doesent get comedowns, each of these swims have thier own supplier

also i dont know how to suspect, i dont have a clue whats in the pills im just saying if it was PMA would one pill possibly cause death?

[naatural]

i think you friends get bad comedowns because they've been doing it longer

swim only really started getting the blues after his 5th time (this is not counting slepless/illness from dirty pills) doing mdma pills; 6th time was a shock at first, but now he knows how a comedown should feel and since then they have been alright just a bit annoying.

also, i've read that re-dosing is worse in terms of comedowns than taking a slightly larger amount at once, so swiy will prolly feel better from a whole pill than he did after 3/4 and a redose...
then again as he does it more and more, it won't get any better. don't worry though i haven't heard anyone complain about comedowns from anything less than 2 (strong) pills in a night. this is of course assuming they are mdma and not something weird

does swiy already have the pills he plans on taking? if they are the same as he has done before he would prolly have realised they have pma by now (feeling sick hot etc)

it's not really that worrying; pma is very rare today, only been spotted in australia, and if there was a batch circulating the uk people would go nuts and we'd hear about it. of course one can never be too safe, so i recommend a test kit (eztest). the expensive versions can detect pma, speed, mda, ketamine, 2cb...

i would recommend though that swiy takes the minimum necessary, because if he is feeling loved up already, higher doses will prolly just increase side-effects.
also, as a side-note, if swiy has any real trouble sleeping after his pills and assumes this is a standard comedown, IT'S NOT, it means there is some other dirty stimulant present. swim can fall asleep fine after mdma

[sknkv2]

^^Not necessarily. Some people can sleep after dropping pure MDMA, some can't.

what is the comedown like after one pill the night before? Once again, it's a personal thing and everyone reacts differently but one pill shouldn't be enough to have too severe a comedown (if you experience a come-down at all). If you haven't dropped in the last month that really helps as well as it gives your brain a chance to get back to normal and if you space out your rolls one month apart taking only 1 pill each time you are unlikely to have a come down and if you do it will most likely not be of a severe nature. It's only when you start dropping 2-3 pills that you experience harder crashes. As for SWIM's personal experience, the come-down the next day after SWIM dropped SWIM's first pill was very short-lived and minor.

As for dropping one pill of PMA, you will most likely live. It's mainly people that are dropping more than one that are adversely affected by it, although idiosyncratic reactions are possible once again. Take half a pill first to test its strength and if it doesn't feel quite right don't risk taking the other half if you're not comfortable with it. If worse comes to worst and you drop a single pill of PMA I'd say the worst that could happen is vomiting/nausea, raised blood temperature, blood pressure and body temperature as well as some muscle spasms. Obviously as dose increases those risks are exacberated and you run the risk of convulsions, coma and death.

[jamie_128]

wow this has certainly answered most of swims questions

the next day do you swims normally feel anxious/paranoid? or is it just depression or the feeling of "cant be arsed"

also even though swim has not felt a real comedown, he still lacks appetite till very later on in the day why is this?

and swim will be doing love hearts which he has done in the past but this is a new batch so swims not sure what to expect

also the next day after one pill can people tell that swim has been on the stuff, swim isent sure if his pupils are bigger than normal and therefore noticeable

[meep]

Swim normally feels tired from dancing all night - his head will be a little groggy and he will be short with people. Cant be arsed sums it up nicely =P

MDMA is an anorexic, you wont 'feel' hungry but trust swim, you are starving. Eat soup as its light, you really wont want to but eat as much as you can anyway. think of it this way, if you stayed up all night on an excersise bike you would be hunrgy come morning.

You can never be sure with your pill. Love hearts are all the rage worldwide by the sounds of it at the moment - all the more reson for a pill maker to stop putting MDMA in and just put some shitty meth or just filler. Get a test kit or keep an eye out for MDMA in its crystal form.

Depending on the substance in your pill your eyes will show different things. After about 6 hours (a night) swims eyes are back to normal or at least one will be =S If swiys pill has meth/speed in swiys eyes will be HUGE all night and well into the next day. your eyes will dialate, this is par for the course but then should come back to normal as you come back to base line.

Hope that helps. be safe.

[jamie_128]

if swim is going out drinking the day after swim has been pilled up will this cause problems, as swim will not be able to eat and swim will start drinking at 8pm with no food in his stomach most likely

also if swim were to pill it up on friday, and lots of swims friends werent pilled up would they notice swim was, if he didnt say anything stupid like he loves them and just controls his dancing, will they be able to tell in a dark nightclub setting?

[sknkv2]

Drinking on an empty stomach is never a great idea but I doubt the two drugs would interact in any way as the MDMA would be pretty much out of SWIY's system. Look at it this way: Some people use both at the same time and are fine.

As for your mates noticing, it depends on a lot of variables. Are they exposed to drugs a lot? Are they knowledgable on the effects of various drugs? You also have to ask yourself if you'd like to drop in an environment where you'd have to control yourself. From SWIM's experience the best experiences with drugs he's had happened when he let himself lose control and let the drug take over. Controlling oneself kind of ruins the experience for SWIM.