2 years clean. Should I try research chemicals?

[hippie_lain]

well after 6 years of smoking pot everyday, drinking everyday and heavy use of XTC, meth, cocoaine and opiates swim finally hit a rock bottom so bad he got clean and sober. after the intial withdraws he found life much less depressing and devoted my life to doing good and being productive. he had finally did what everyone thought would never happen and have stayed clean for about 2 and and basically sober except a few drinks here and there

now that swim feesl he has controll of his habits he has the urge to go back and try a few Research chemicals that he never got around to but really wanted to try. he just cant get the urge to try them out of my system. heres where he needs the advice, do you think it would be stupid to try a few chemicals and get it out of his system or do you think that trying a couple rcs would lead me down a path to starting partying and doing hardcore drugs again? what do you guys think?

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by hippie_lain

well after 6 years of smoking pot everyday, drinking everyday and heavy use of XTC, meth, cocoaine and opiates i finally hit a rock bottom so bad i got clean and sober. after the intial withdraws i found life much less depressing and devoted my life to doing good and being productive. i had finally did what everyone thought would never happen and have stayed clean for about 2 and and basically sober except a few drinks here and there

now that i feel i have controll of my habits i have the urge to go back and try a few Research chemicals that i never got around to but really wanted to try. i just cant get the urge to try them out of my systum. heres where i need the advice, do you think it would be stupid to try a few chemicals and get it out of my system or do you think that trying a couple rcs would lead me down a path to starting partying and doing hardcore drugs again? what do you guys think?

Hello mate,

SWIM told me to pass on this note...

first things first: CONGRATULATIONS!! You have been (mostly) sober for 2 years,that is great.
I was also a hardcore drug user for 10 years(Pills,Cola,Acid,the whole shebang).,and i also feel the the urge to try RC's. However,i am not gonna do it! Reason? I would just feel the same as on the other drugs,numb and not myself.Don't let your addiction or craving fool you! Build on what you have achieved so far,i am sure you can go much further...

good luck and stick to being sober,it's the only way forward.

W.

[trptamene]

Originally Posted by hippie_lain

well after 6 years of smoking pot everyday, drinking everyday and heavy use of XTC, meth, cocoaine and opiates i finally hit a rock bottom so bad i got clean and sober. after the intial withdraws i found life much less depressing and devoted my life to doing good and being productive. i had finally did what everyone thought would never happen and have stayed clean for about 2 and and basically sober except a few drinks here and there

now that i feel i have controll of my habits i have the urge to go back and try a few Research chemicals that i never got around to but really wanted to try. i just cant get the urge to try them out of my systum. heres where i need the advice, do you think it would be stupid to try a few chemicals and get it out of my system or do you think that trying a couple rcs would lead me down a path to starting partying and doing hardcore drugs again? what do you guys think?

Here are my thoughts:

It seems like euphoria-inducing street drugs were swiy's cup of tea, but now they want to try some RC's?

It should be noted that the majority of RC's don't list euphoria as one of the common main effects (where one finds the effects listed).


I think swiy should think about exactly they would like to work w/ some RC's, why they were addicted in the first place, and if the two are related.

Is the point to just do some new drugs, or has ones thoughts on his drug use changed? And, if so, how so?

Will swiy be able to keep from going to RC's and back to euphoria-inducing street drugs?

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by trptamene

Here are my thoughts:

It seems like euphoria-inducing street drugs were swiy's cup of tea, but now they want to try some RC's?

It should be noted that the majority of RC's don't list euphoria as one of the common main effects (where one finds the effects listed).


I think swiy should think about exactly they would like to work w/ some RC's, why they were addicted in the first place, and if the two are related.

Is the point to just do some new drugs, or has ones thoughts on his drug use changed? And, if so, how so?

Will swiy be able to keep from going to RC's and back to euphoria-inducing street drugs?

Hi,

This is sound advice,however...

i am not sure,if the euphoria is really the point here..

Iain,really ask yourself,why you used drugs in the first place.Every drug(including alcohol and tobacco,of course) has one effect in common:numbness. The thing is,if you like RC's,you may be tempted to pick up on regular use,so remember the saying:

One is too many,and a thousand not enough.

I have been sober for 4 years now,and i regularly think about using again,but it's just a phantom-pain and part of my addiction..

One last thought... what will the one-off use give you? I assume it will be that guilty feeling,and we one that one all too well,don't we now?

all the best to you

W.

p.s my counsellor used to say: HUGS,NO DRUGS!

[hippie_lain]

thanks guys, ive decided not to do it. im not who i was anymore nor do i want to be that person again so i just cant take a risk, even one so small. your right will, one is to many and a thousand is never enough. thats hella awesome youve been sober for 4 years thats quit an acomplishment. im acually starting the 12 step program on the 1st of jan.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by hippie_lain

thanks guys, ive decided not to do it. im not who i was anymore nor do i want to be that person again so i just cant take a risk, even one so small. your right will, one is to many and a thousand is never enough. thats hella awesome youve been sober for 4 years thats quit an acomplishment. im acually starting the 12 step program on the 1st of jan.

Hi Iain,

you are more than welcome! Good to see you aren't going to do it,well done!

believe me,for all the tough times come great rewards,you just gotta believe in it!

Good luck with your program,and take care!

Will

[Pino]

I think Trptamene doesn't think the euphoria is the point here, but he means the ts' fish should think why he wants to try RC's and what he is expecting from them. If he wants the same high as street drugs, he should reconsider it carefully...

Also many RC's don't numb one. They do exactly the opposite. They make one far more sensitive than one can handle at some times.

Of course the best advice is just don't. Congrats with you achievement.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Pino

I think Trptamene doesn't think the euphoria is the point here, but he means the ts' fish should think why he wants to try RC's and what he is expecting from them. If he wants the same high as street drugs, he should reconsider it carefully...

Also many RC's don't numb one. They do exactly the opposite.

He should consider it carefully anyway... from what i gather,Iain was(is) an addict,and that will never go away... what good would it do to try RC's?? I t would just be the same old he has had soooo many times.

regarding don't numb one... of course they numb you. that's what all drugs have in common. of course it feels great to be high and having all these sensations! However,i do have to say that being high can be a rather poor substitute for real emotions. After drinking for 13 years and using other drugs for ~10 years,i finally found out that my emotions on drugs were not really emotions,but i just felt good because the pain was gone! That doesn't mean i am really feeling though.

Finally,i would dare to say:whenever you use or abuse a drug,you are not yourself anymore.

don't get me wrong,i am not of the 'just say no' brigade,i have seen and experienced too much to believe in that bull,it's just that i would rather be cautious than unaware,ok?

Also,if we finally want to see prohibtion fall,and that's probably the majority here, than us 'druggies' should really try and be as insightful as we can,even if it hurts...

god,long post

Will

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[Pino]

Hmm, swim has a perspective problem probably. Because he never thought of for example mushrooms are numbing.

i finally found out that my emotions on drugs were not really emotions,but i just felt good because the pain was gone!

He thinks he knows the difference. Swim is lacking this. He doesn't have pain (in any form) normally. He could understand getting addicted is easier then. Swim believes it is better then to reconsider it carefully in all cases in such a case. Thanks for the insight.

[hippie_lain]

swim is very well researched in rcs, in fact hes rather obessed with them so he know how he would react to them, swim has probely spent over a 200 hours on erowid...lol. and i think by numb Will means you lose touch with reality and in that light i would have to agree, swim thinks for him it would still be a means of escape, even if an enlightened one...lol

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Pino

Hmm, swim has a perspective problem probably. Because he never thought of for example mushrooms are numbing.

He thinks he knows the difference. Swim is lacking this. He doesn't have pain (in any form) normally. He could understand getting addicted is easier then. Swim believes it is better then to reconsider it carefully in all cases in such a case. Thanks for the insight.

Hi Pino,

i mean emotional pain,y'know?

And it's very interesting you should mention mushrooms,cause they were sort of the last drug i indulged in before stopping.... what did think? i thought mushies were ok,because they are natural and just give a bit of halluc. LOL Didn;t turn out that way,they were just another way of running from reality.

But,to be fair,you are not me,and maybe you are ok with using,so it's all just my experiences and opinions.

take care

W

[sweetsweetmary]

LSD is a great drug to deal with addiction. SWIM feel lots of other RC's can also help heal addiction. Since there would be no concern for addiction (actually sWIM is saying this on SWIM's behalf) with RC's SWIM don't see the issue. SWIM wouldn't do MDMA or methylone. SWIM would consider 2cc or LSD.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by hippie_lain

swim is very well researched in rcs, in fact hes rather obessed with them so he know how he would react to them, swim has probely spent over a 200 hours on erowid...lol. and i think by numb Will means you lose touch with reality and in that light i would have to agree, swim thinks for him it would still be a means of escape, even if an enlightened one...lol

LOL,that's how it starts..

i like Erowid too.others get high for me,so i don't have too...

well put!

W.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by sweetsweetmary

LSD is a great drug to deal with addiction. SWIM feel lots of other RC's can also help heal addiction. Since there would be no concern for addiction (actually sWIM is saying this on SWIM's behalf) with RC's SWIM don't see the issue. SWIM wouldn't do MDMA or methylone. SWIM would consider 2cc or LSD.

Hi,

Addiction goes from one substance/behaviour to another... help heal addiction? by using other substances? i would say that addiction can't be cured,one can only stop.

[sweetsweetmary]

Originally Posted by Will21st

Hi,

Addiction goes from one substance/behaviour to another... help heal addiction? by using other substances? i would say that addiction can't be cured,one can only stop.

sWIM would have to disagree. SWIM had issues with alcohol and quit with the assistance of LSD. LSD has the ability for one to look into one's issues and solve them internally. How does that not help addicition? Many RC's can be used with psychology. I think a big part of addiction is psychological. If one can unravel through that part of addiction with the assistance of RC's that aren't addiciting, More power to that ONE (Neo).

[Homegrow3r]

Originally Posted by hippie_lain

swim is very well researched in rcs, in fact hes rather obessed with them so he know how he would react to them, swim has probely spent over a 200 hours on erowid...lol. and i think by numb Will means you lose touch with reality and in that light i would have to agree, swim thinks for him it would still be a means of escape, even if an enlightened one...lol

Your friend should be careful in fact my friend would advise you to stop knocking around the drugs sites, and get it out of your friends head.
Your friend should really only log onto addiction help sites and would be well advised not to even hang around here.

All just the opinion of my friend who was a heroin user, still uses a few of them, but if your friend has made a decision to remain clean it'd be a lot easier without the constant "researching".

[hippie_lain]

swim agrees for the most part but still wants to share his experiences and share advice. swim origanially thought just being around the recovery forum would be ok but winds up in the sources and rc forums most of the time. swim feels he has a few runs left in him but he doesnt want to let down the people that have helped him through hell...and Will there is a drug called ibogane(spelling?) that is commenly used to treat addiction. its a very powerful introspective drug and has a high sucess rate. but the rcs swim wants to use would not help addiction in his opinion.

[Homegrow3r]

Your friend should do what they know to be right, stop pussyfooting around.
If an RC would not be your friends road back to the bottom then tell your friend to go do it, fuck it right?

Your friend shouldn't really be looking to others for approval in this respect, it's your friends decision and theirs alone, what they do ultimately.

My friends advice is that your friend knows they are playing with fire and should stay away.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by sweetsweetmary

sWIM would have to disagree. SWIM had issues with alcohol and quit with the assistance of LSD. LSD has the ability for one to look into one's issues and solve them internally. How does that not help addicition? Many RC's can be used with psychology. I think a big part of addiction is psychological. If one can unravel through that part of addiction with the assistance of RC's that aren't addiciting, More power to that ONE (Neo).

Hi,

now you are using LSD and/or RC's?I don't mean to be rude,but i fail to see the progress in that.... You quit using one Substance,and picked up another,thereby you actually confirm:

Addiction goes from one substance/behaviour to another...

pls. let me know if i am wrong...if you stopped using ALL substances,then my apologies.

[hippie_lain]

swim has quit all subtances will, besides a drink here and there swim hasnt touched a drug for 2 and a half years. swim has decided not to do the doc, 2c-e etc.... swim just wanted opinions of people who have more experience than him with rcs to give some advice.

[sweetsweetmary]

Originally Posted by Will21st

Hi,

now you are using LSD and/or RC's?I don't mean to be rude,but i fail to see the progress in that.... You quit using one Substance,and picked up another,thereby you actually confirm:

Addiction goes from one substance/behaviour to another...

pls. let me know if i am wrong...if you stopped using ALL substances,then my apologies.

Well unfortunately for most, the LSD runs out. Not going to beat a dead horse here, but at no time would his addictions go to LSD. SWIY has bundled up all substances and decided that there are no tools to help addiction. SWIY's opinion is noted. SWIM also read a report of a ex heroin user who took mescaline. During the vision part of the trip, he was given the tools (will power, knowledge, belief, understanding) to move forward in life without cravings. Might not work for everyone, but Swim has heard where it has.

[Pino]

Swim has a new thought. The problem with rc's are, that it is still not certain, what their pharmacodynamics are. So an rc could potentially be addictive. Of course certain rc's are most likely not addictive. One probably could try these. If one is certain, one wont go back to ones once favorite drugs.

Also not every rc is non-addictive. Think about mdpv or desoxypipradol. One should stay away from those, when one was once addicted.

[El Calico Loco]

The only RC's I could imagine being addictive are those that are more empathic or euphoric than psychedelic - things like Methylone and maybe 2C-I. I seriously doubt that one would go back down the spiral with something like 2C-E or 5-MeO-DMT; these aren't always fun. They can sometimes be unpleasant. Most are better for education than recreation.


ECL