Your Thoughts On Adults Supplying Kids With Drugs

[bubba3]

SWIM knows some adults who arn't you that readily supply kids with various drugs. When I say "drugs" I don't mean weed because I KNOW that is common, and when I say kids I don't mean little ones I mean age 15+. When I say adult I'm not talking about adult by definition I mean like age 35+, someone older that should definitely know better. I am speaking of xanax, oxy, morphine, and klonopin primarily. One of them will also share cocaine, crack, and extacy with kids but not exactly supply. Do any of you know adults like this? Or parents like this?

[ExtraordinaryMachine]

the first time swim did ecstacy it was a a friend's house and his dad came home while they were rolling and was all excited and told swim to drink orange juice and turned on music he said was amazing on x. he basically hung out the whole night talking about his own experiences with x and other drugs. then later, he brought out this huge bong and loaded a bowl which he said would make the comedown better. he was a pretty cool dude, but swim was baffled that any parent would be EXCITED that their kids were doing drugs.

[sweetsugar]

where swim comes from the easiest drug to get hold of class A's, and thats not due to lack of contacts.. the streets are flooded with heroin & crack... when all one wants is a bag o' weed! Swim has come accross plently of dealers that are more than willing to sell any kind of drugs to kids, Swim keeps away from these kind..

[Cakes]

Or parents like this?

If they were bad I would not do them. and to exclude your child from what you do is to EXCLUDE your child no matter what you do.

[EntheogenicTruth]

when swim was younger the guy who he got all his acid from was a fair bit older than he. swim did not find this in any way odd. i think that much older people dealing addictive drugs to children is not a good thing. terrible thing to do. especially as children are so impressionable.

[radiometer]

This thread is baffling. What sort of discussion was the original poster trying to generate? What did Cake's reply mean?

Where's the "scratching my head" smilie?

[RaverHippie]

I've had friends who have had amazing experiences with LSD + parents. It was immensely successful. I would call that an anomaly. For the child to want the drug, and the parents to knowingly allow the drug, excludes a very large proportion of average families. At Least a large percentage of those families I have encountered.

This wasn't a case of the adult just giving away the acid or father giving daughter acid, but a great emotional experience. I know of no friends of mine that have encountered the situation that was posed: someone of significantly older age being the supplier of harder drugs for younger kids. I would have serious ethical objections to such a practice if the older supplier did not act on some sort of judgment aside from profit motive when choosing who to sell to, or if they sold said items without giving any information concerning harm reduction.

[EntheogenicTruth]

it really depends what you mean by harder drugs though, i define "hard" drugs as ones that have serious physical consequences or that develop dependency, whether psychological or physical. this means that "hard" drugs cover a large group of drugs and more importantly differ between people. oh well they are the ones that matter the ones which become problems.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by EntheogenicTruth

it really depends what you mean by harder drugs though, i define "hard" drugs as ones that have serious physical consequences or that develop dependency, whether psychological or physical. this means that "hard" drugs cover a large group of drugs and more importantly differ between people. oh well they are the ones that matter the ones which become problems.

my definition of harder drugs was alluding to the classification given by the OP

I am speaking of xanax, oxy, morphine, and klonopin primarily. One of them will also share cocaine, crack, and extacy with kids but not exactly supply.

[EntheogenicTruth]

hmmm i see now. one has to try and identify the motives here. what does a dealer gain by selling kids xanax, oxy, morphine, and klonopin? addicted kids bludging money off their parents and other people causing a rift in proper society. hmmm?

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by EntheogenicTruth

hmmm i see now. one has to try and identify the motives here. what does a dealer gain by selling kids xanax, oxy, morphine, and klonopin? addicted kids bludging money off their parents and other people causing a rift in proper society. hmmm?

Honestly the more I give it thought I'm thinking, ethically, it should never happen, except in the parental scenario I outlined earlier.

[EntheogenicTruth]

true, if the motives of the supplier were something other than profit from addicted children then im sure this maaaaay be alright however it would be best thinking ahead with something like this and implementing precautions to avoid long term addiction and safeguards to prevent serious harm should a serious addiction deveop.

[tomazco]

Imagine it -

"Can I have some meth please"
"I'm going to see some ID... sorry the law says no drugs to under 18's... or over 18's for that matter"

[Lunar Loops]

SWILL is with Radiometer on this one and no amount of head-scratching can make sense of it or what Cakes was saying.

Hard or not, SWILL thinks this is a no-brainer. Are we saying it is OK to give a powerful hallucinogen (which many would not consider a 'hard' drug) to children whose brains are not yet fully developed?

Supply implies nothing more than handing over goods for cash profit with no regard to the potential harm that may be caused to the customer. We may find this acceptable when it comes to an adult who we believe is responsible enough to make their own decisions, but kids?

VERY dangerous ground people when we are supposed to be biased towards harm-reduction.

Why was this thread resurrected anyway?

[pinkandfluffy]

The kid dealers around here get their stuff from adults. Swim would defiantely turn his nose up at an adult giving a minor crack, heroin, PCP, meth, or any of the other baaaad stuff, but thinks that friendlier drugs, such as weed, E, and some hallucinogens would be acceptable, in moderate doses.

[adzket]

if the adult that new them did not suply them they would get it else where so its best for them to do it as they no what and how much there taking.off course i do not agree with family members giving kids drugs as this is giving the wrong impression as it should be for the kid to find out as and when they want to

[kaczynski]

It could be considered "irresponsible" if the individual was selling addictive drugs to naive, susceptible kids with the purpose of getting them hooked so she can scam more and more cash off of them...If it's just a dude who likes to do drugs and doesn't mind hooking other people up then it would be kind of hypocritical for SWIM of all people to criticize her

[pinkandfluffy]

Originally Posted by kaczynski

It could be considered "irresponsible" if the individual was selling addictive drugs to naive, susceptible kids with the purpose of getting them hooked so she can scam more and more cash off of them...If it's just a dude who likes to do drugs and doesn't mind hooking other people up then it would be kind of hypocritical for SWIM of all people to criticize her

Hypocritical or not, you can still say they shouldn't do it.

[Winta]

Well, SWIM had to take a stand on this questions a few times. And always came to the conclusion that one should not sell to anyone below the age of 18. Swim does not really know why he came to 18, couse some are ready for it earlier and some will never be.

Anyway, SWIM only think that one should sell to people that are ready, though, this can be very hard to tell

[Pseudo-leipä]

One would think that a dealer would be hesitant to sell anything harder than weed, or maybe E, to minor, in terms of self-interest alone. Minors are more likely to OD, less likely to be discreet (and thus more likely to get caught) and probably more likely to report the dealer to some sort of authority. Plus I imagine if the dealer did get caught, he'd get in more trouble for supplying minors than for supplying adults.

As for parents, SWIM's often wondered about if/when he's a parent what his attitude to his kids doing drugs would be. SWIM think he'd be completely cool with them drinking alcohol and smoking weed from the age of about 14 (though only if it was their decision, SWIM wouldn't force, influence or encourage them to). But SMIM'd probably be reluctant for them to do anything else (except mayyybe mushrooms) until they were at least 16, probably more like 18. But like someone before me said, it should depend on the maturity of the individual kid. You get some 15-year-olds who are level-headed and sensible enough to make sure they're well-informed and then experiment with various drugs in moderation and in safe conditions, whereas there are many inexperienced, naïve, and just plain stupid adults who can't even handle alcohol, let alone hard drugs.

Pseudo-leipä added 2 Minutes and 43 Seconds later...

I just realized my above post made SWIM sound pretty irresponsible. When I say SWIM'd be cool with it, I don't mean SWIM'd be acting as their dealer. I just mean that SWIM wouldn't stop them if he found out they were doing it responsibly and in moderation.

[psyche]

SWIM thinks lighter substances as weed, E, mushrooms etc could be beneficial tool in a sense of tools in bringing up the childeren, be it more or less recreational. Psychedelics might fall in the latter category, especially if we are talking about DMT or ayahuasca. SWIM has this viewpoint because his mother was very open-minded to change his opinion about drugs when SWIM told her that they aren't as dangerous and unpredictable as people generally think. His mother has grown pretty well versed on the subject because they talk openly about almost everything, and she has herself tried a few substances. Whereas his father is the exact opposite and has no clue about the world of his offspring and is very worried about them all the time, and ofcourse hates drugs though admits that SWIM might be right with his arguments on drug use. I'd need no time if I needed to choose which one I would like to be as a parent.

SWIM wouldn't directly condone any drug use, except maybe he would like to introduce them to mushrooms or DMT in a strictly spiritual and self-exploratory context. But he'd like to make sure they can talk about their drug use freely. That is a very fine line, to accept but not condone drug use. Don't know how well SWIM'd do, his mother did a good job, if she didn't feel good about his rate of drinking, neither did SWIM.

[frenchywife]

Originally Posted by bubba3

SWIM knows some adults who arn't you that readily supply kids with various drugs. When I say "drugs" I don't mean weed because I KNOW that is common, and when I say kids I don't mean little ones I mean age 15+. When I say adult I'm not talking about adult by definition I mean like age 35+, someone older that should definitely know better. I am speaking of xanax, oxy, morphine, and klonopin primarily. One of them will also share cocaine, crack, and extacy with kids but not exactly supply. Do any of you know adults like this? Or parents like this?

No, I do not know of any adults or parents who supply or share the types of drugs mentioned with kids. I also don't think they should either. These drugs are just too powerful and should not be given to minors. However, I do agree that weed doesn't apply nor should alcohol. I strongly believe that teenagers should be exposed to these two extremely common drugs, especially alcohol for several reasons. One, exposing teenagers to alcohol and teaching them how to drink responsibly at home would greatly reduce and perhaps eliminate the irresponsible and reckless binge drinking teenagers commonly engage in today. This needs to be addressed on a societal level - just like in most European countries, if not all. The former also applies to weed. Two, prohibition just doesn't work. I'm living proof - my mother was very strict with me growing up and she brainwashed me to believe that all drugs kill. Guess what happened? As soon as SWIM got the chance - hello drugs!!! Parents need to be realistic and honest with their children through education and having an open-mind. Teach responsibility and moderation, not condemnation.

[Pseudo-leipä]

I think parents, and the government and society, should stop wasting their time telling kids not to do drugs, but rather tell them how to do drugs responsibly.

[EarlGrayUK]

To use drugs properly one needs to be well informed and mature. Most kids lack at least one of those two points, so giving them drugs as an adult is wrong, I think. The socially accepted or almost accepted drugs like alcohol, tobacco and weed may be a different matter, at least as far as educational purposes are concerned. Still, using drugs while the body and brain are still developing may be harmful, no matter how "harmless" the drug is supposed to be.

[tictac]

Swim doesnt see an issue at all with the non-addictive softer drugs. As for things like coke, meth, crack, and higher opiates(not like vicodin or lortabs) it depends a lot on who exactly they're selling to not so much in terms of age but just the person's mental age more so and i'd say its not that hard to make a pretty good decision from a first impression of someone whether they are experienced enough to know what they're doing with a certain drug or they're some idiot teen who's going to od and have no idea the path they could be on. Swim feels this way because she spent her teenage years in a less than average in enviroment, ok I guess you could call it 'the hood' and most of the people she knew by age 14 or 15 had a good idea about drugs in general and many of them made it a point to not do heavier drugs because they had seen from experience what happens as many of them had at least one parent who was or had been a crackhead or junkie. She also on the other hand remembers all the little middle class kids who thought it was cool to get 'fucked up' and had no idea whatsoever of what they were doing and easily couldve od'd and some did.

So overall swim thinks age isnt really what she would go by, more like maturity. She does think it's wrong for adults to sell hard drugs to kids who obviously don't know what they're doing which really is the majority of them. Of course most people who are in the business of selling these types of drugs usually are the last people to expect to pick someone else's well being over profit. And the whole thing about parents supplying their kids drugs, most people swim knew had parents who were fine with their kids smoking weed, drinking, and taking a few pills here and there but wouldve had a shit fit if they caught them doing something like crack or heroin. One thing that springs to mind for swim was on one occasion being at this one guy's house with a few other people and everyone including his dad and step mom were on ecstasy except him because his dad didnt want him doing anything but smoking weed. It seemed a bit weird but for the most part but no one thought much of it because swim and everyone else knew his dad pretty well and bought weed from him regularly and they had all even sold weed on front from him for awhile. The one thing that did always bother swim about that household was that this went on around their other three kids who were only 11, 10, and 5. Swim always knew trouble would come out of that and it did when one of her friends(who was only 15 at the time himself) sold ecstasy to a friend of the 11yr old who was only 12. The girl's parents found out and of course charges were pressed. Luckily it was dropped due to lack of evidence.