Codeine vs Dihidrocodeine.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Oh no, man. SWIM's nationality is United States. SWIM think SWIM may have given the wrong impression when SWIM said "father's generation." What SWIM meant is that a Japanese friend who is the same age as SWIM told SWIM that her father and her father's buddies would abuse BRON back in the day. So that's the detailed explanation.

Yeah, that's what I thought all along but when you said "back in your father's day"I thought you were actually talking about your father.

There's ecstasy here, but Japan's true speciality is "SHABU" (or just called "S"). SHABU is the Japanese word for "methamphetamine" or "crystal meth." SWIM plans to try it for the first time in his life in the next few weeks. SWIM knows he'll love it because SWIM used to abuse adderall and ritalin during university days.

Well, you might like it but I've heard that the comedown is horrible.Someone also told me that H takes care of the comedown, so some of that BRON shit might come in handy.

Hydrocodone and oxycodone are not prescribed at all in Japan. They don't exist! Adderall also does not exist!

Just like here, there's no such thing as hydrocodone/oxycodone.Adderall used to exist till lots of students started abusing them so they just took them out of clinical use.

SOMA is controlled in Saudi? Interesting. Here you can order SOMA from a Japanese online pharmacy. 90 pills each containing 350mg for about $100 USD. No Japanese person SWIM knows has ever heard of SOMA so yeah, it's nice. =) Just gotta enjoy the opportunity while you can because the world just keeps on getting more and more regulated.

Yeah, it's controlled and although I have heard of it being avaliable in hospitals I've never heard of anyone getting it prescribed to them.

So yeah, besides codeine, no opiate and no amphetamines are prescribed in Japan. That's the price you pay for being able to get ANY benzo prescribed with no questions asked.

No questions asked?Damn, over here it's as hard as getting morphine.Doctors all look at benzos as substances of abuse and not as the treatment to a lot of psychological disorders.As soon as you start talking to a doctor about your anxiety disorder, they automatically assume you're just trying to score benzos.It's horrible...

But it's not a good measure. Because SWIM can order 13 boxes from Tanaka Drug Store. Then SWIM can order 13 boxes from Sushi Drug Store. Then SWIM get order 13 boxes from Tokyo Drug Store. So it's not really effective at all. SWIM's address info and order information is not put in some national or local database, so as long as SWIM is ordering from different shops, it's all gravy. Nobody cross checks anything. This lack of cross-checking also includes prescription medication and doctor visits (so for example, if a psychiatrist won't give me valium, then SWIM can find another clinic and try his luck there).

yeah, that's what I expected, just like pseudoephedrine in the U.S they ask you for your name and address but never actually keep track of it...Plus 13 bottles is a lot!

You're living in Saudi, that's really fascinating. I find Arab and Persian woman to be the most attractive females in the world, but that's irrelevant. Anyway, are you working there? Or are you stationed there because of your parents' job? Do you have to go to Bahrain to be able to have some fun?

Trust me there's absolutely nothing facinating about it.I got dragged here because my father wanted to work here and he brought me when I was still under 18.Now I can't get out because,from what I've heard,you've gotta be 21 to get out of the country without your father's permission, but I still have to double check that...

Ahora estoy trabajando asi que necesito pongo punto final a este mensaje. Comprendes el espanol, no?

Pues si,soy de Espana y tu?Hablas espanol o lo traduciste del ingles?

Robo

[magicmik]

Swim agrees with drguildo.

For swim, codeine is pretty eurphoric. swim thinks dhc has more analgesic properties and certainly lasts longer but its not so pleasurable.

Interestingly swim has never done a cwe of paramol (contains dhc). Swim thinks he will soon so swim can directly compare.

[tiramisu4you]

Taken from the wiki on hydromorphone (the Michael Jackson tragedy led me to research Demerol and...):

These doses also correspond to about 30 mg of hydrocodone, 24 mg of oxycodone, 200 mg of codeine, 135 mg of dihydrocodeine, 20 mg of dihydromorphine, 15 mg of nicomorphine, 12 mg of heroin, 34 mg of piritramide...

So 200 mg of codeine = 135 mg of dihydrocodeine.
A nice little nugget of information. Some people said dihydro was 2x stronger than regular codeine and other random figures. Good to have a solid number now.

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makes clear the strength between DHC and codeine phosphate

[porchy]

SWIM cant see how people prefer codeine over DHC. Each to their own though.

[Toela65]

Well SWIM has dosed with another total 300mg of DHC and nada, bar some annoying itchiness, a bit of relaxation and tiredness. No euphoria whatsoever, even less than usual.

SWIM is thinking of swapping to Codeine to see if more success can be found there.

FWIW SWIM tried to potentiate with Prilosec (Omeprazole) tonight so whether this is to blame who knows? You're a better man than me if you can answer that?

SWIM has a feeling he will be dissapointed with both so should probably vote for the third option.

[anonuser30500]

Swim might ask his doc for DHC pills instead of 30/500 codeine/paracetamol.

Looks like if Swim gets it then it would be 30mg tablets, likely limited to four per day. That's going on DHC being stronger than plain codeine phosphate.

Use is for back pain, lower. Codeine does pretty ok, but maybe DHC will be better. The benefit is that I'll not be filtering up to 28 grams, or one ounce of paracetamol per week through my liver.

That's a few kilos per year straight through the liver. Half a bloody carrier bag of white powder.

Anyhow, anyone ever used DHC for pain (or uses it) and has had success without getting too fond of it?

Swim would hope to limit intake to at least prescribed limits or lower.

Any thoughts?

[nick23]

No ceiling dose for DHC means one can take more and there for get higher.

Codeine is an absolute waste of space if one has any kind of opiate habit.

[miggeth]

Anon, does paracetamol help with the pain at all? If it doesn't swiy should ask the doctor for pure codeine tablets, there's no sense in taking all that for no reason.

Swim's used both codeine and DHC, both for pain and recreationally. DHC is stronger, it gets swim higher and reduces pain more significantly than codeine, but. Swim's tolerance went up ridiculously fast using DHC, within a few weeks, it was useless, both as a painkiller and a recreatoinal high. It's only useful as a "one off", or for a weeks use at the most for swim.

Swim is still using codeine, after experiments with DHC, Tramadol, and morphine. Codeine is still proving to be the drug that's most suited to long-term use, both for pain and recreation.

[anonuser30500]

Miggeth, its hard to say really what if any effect paracetamol has but the only time Swim took a pure codeine tablet he certainly never went looking for some paracetamol also.

I'm due to discuss medication and other pain management stuff. Swim thinks he would be better off on plain codeine really. I'd soon know if I got prescribed the usual 100 pills. If the pain was worse, I'd know paracetamol was doing its work.

Swim hopes he would use less codeine than he does now. With it being pure - I cannot afford to mess about with them. Swim has only done two CWEs with 3 and 4 tablets of the 30/500s. For pain management, its too much of a hassle to do this really. Easy as it would be, and safer than the 8/500s, it seems like a Friday night treat rather than a day to day ritual.

If Swims gets his codeine pills and ends up going on a spree with them, Swim would see his GP (who is a decent man) and tell him I think the codeine pills are becoming too much of a perk up than pain management.

In the UK, prescriptions are entered into a database so local health authorities, from chemist to docs and hospitals, all know when prescriptions are due up. Pain killer prescriptions for codeine are watched carefully. Swim would have a certain max dosage which runs out on a certain day. The GP is able to monitor any abuse fairly easily.