Codeine vs Dihidrocodeine.

[Ethyl]

Codeine vs Dihidrocodeine.

What is the most euphoric?

[robshaka]

I tend to find codeine more euphoric. I now combine the two to get a tremendous high. I ingest about 150mg DHC followed 20 minutes later by 170-210mg codeine. The codeine warmth feeling comes on even stronger coupled with a good head buzz from the DHC.

[Psych0naut]

Unfortunenately SWIMs tolerance is way too high for either of them, but when his tolerance is low, he enjoys DHC more. Dihydrocodeine gives SWIM a more pronounced opioid effect, while codeine provides a bit more subtle effects, which SWIM dislikes.

[travelingman]

SWIM can only get codeine in SWIMs part of the world
but would love to try DHC.

[yaba]

Swim likes dihydrocodeine more and its a lot better for his genuine lower back pain. And travelingman could swiy pay a (private) doctor..?

[bloodred1889]

swim would say codeine is rubbish, and dihydrocodeine is way better.

when swim takes dhc she feels the effects come on strong after about an hour.

codeine she dosnt feel anything.

[Geeza]

Swim would have to agree with bloodred.

swim feels chilled from codeine but nothing else, not much more of a mood lift than what you get with caffeine.

DHC is MUCH better, warm buzz, makes swim feel like the world's OK!

Although swim hasn't taken either since secondary school.

[0utrider]

but basically its the same for SWIM, but he prefers codeine since he doesnt have a tolernace (fuck ceiling effect) and its cheaper..

[kq501]

SWIM can't get anywhere near the same euphoria from codeine as DHC. SWIM has been on DHC for 5 years nearly, and once got a whole load of codeine from abroad as a withdrawal substitute... it helped with withdrawal but gave no or little high in same dosages.

[RunDMT]

Swid prefers DHC over Codeine, hands down. Codeine was quite nice before swid experienced stronger opiates, but after being prescribed meds for chronic pain DHC is the only one that has an effect out of the two. DHC still gives a nice warm feeling while Codeine almost feels like negative side effects at large doses.

[Solinari]

Just out of interest, is there a ceiling effect with dihydrocodeine like there is with codeine. I have heard about 300mg of codeine is the most that can be taken at any one time, any more just doesn't do anything, is that right, and if so, is it the same with dihydrocodeine?

[joojoo99]

No, there is no ceiling effect with DHC. And with Codeine, the ceiling effect is 7mg per kg of bodyweight taking into account the BMI. In other words, an obese man would not be able to process more than if he was his normal bodyweight.

[Razorbladekiss]

Swim was on alot of DHC after a serious operation. After taking between 150mg - 250mg swim defently felt relaxed and context with swim's self.

swim has only started taking codiene recently at smaller dosages currently at 120mg (there abouts) swim finds this to be a cheaper high than the DHC and dont last as long as the DHC once did.

DHC ftw - except when you take too much then it gets a bit nasty.

[diamorph]

Swim was on DHC 30mg prescribed for 7 years for upper and lower back pain.
but Swim was taken off after swims doc found he was abusing them taking 300 to 600mg a day.
so swim has now been put on 30/500mg co-codamol.
the codeine is so weak even cwe of the same mg's doesnt give swim jack.
so DHC wins for swim

[drguildo]

SWIM is comparing 120-240mg of codeine (from 30/500 co-codamol tablets) with the equivalent dose from 120mg prolonged release DHC tablets.

Although SWIM definitely gets a buzz from the DHC tablets, it's nowhere near as euphoric as the codeine despite chewing them up, although it does last a lot longer. SWIM also has a headache the next day from the DHC.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Well swim has only tried codeine at the moment but would think that DHC is more euphoric since it's not a pro-drug but has opioid action by itself therefore theoretically it should have a bigger "rush" since it would hit quicker...

[Politicalchalk]

Actually, though limited relative to the metabolized morphine, codeine has been shown to have at least an analgesic effect in it's own right.

Also, not sure on if this infringes the "Sources" forum at all, and correct him if he's wrong, but Swim's cat has a pet turtle going to an area where DHC is avail. OTC (unlike the US) -- would it be considered illegal to bring back an OTC bottle to the states?

[RoboCodeine7610]

Probably not since many people buy these kind of medications online from mexico or somewhere where it's OTC...

[Longthongue]

SWIM gets on Heroin Withdrawal both from Doc. and says Codein is much better. Needs min. 3x400mg DHC/Day against 3x250mg Codein/Day, but cause of high Tolerance no euphoric feelings from both

[tiramisu4you]

SWIM currently does 450mg of di-hydrocodeine on the weekdays as it allows him to enjoy his job more. SWIM takes it with 700-1050mg of Carisprodol (Soma). Here in Japan, you can get 180mg of di-hydrocodeine (with no caffeine and no APAP) OTC for 800 yen.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Here in Japan, you can get 180mg of di-hydrocodeine (with no caffeine and no APAP) OTC for 800 yen.

Shit, that's awesome!How come the government hasn't done anything about it?Isn't there like a lot of abuse going on?

[tiramisu4you]

Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

Shit, that's awesome!How come the government hasn't done anything about it?Isn't there like a lot of abuse going on?

Kind of. Similar to DXM in America, I just don't understand how they can keep this stuff legal. They're both real drugs. I mean, I'm glad, but anyway...

What country do you live in? If you live in the United States, then I'm sure you have noticed how it's getting more difficult to get a hold of Robotussin Maximum Strength Cough Medicine with DXM as sole active ingredient. I mean, 5 years ago when I was 19, I could just walk into a Walmart or Target, buy an 8oz of Robo Max Strength Cough and some orange juice and the cashier wouldn't ask me any questions. Anyway...

So Japan. In 90% of the drug stores, the codeine cough medicines are behind the counter so you have to ask the cashier to give it to you (there is pretty much only one brand, and it is called BRON). Think it's imported from Sweden. They don't ask for I.D. or write down your address, but I mean, I'm sure they'd get suspicious if you ask for 10 boxes of codeine medicine (which is WHY YOU USE ONLINE DRUG STORES. Each individual store has a 13 box limit per month, but it's quite an ineffective attempt at staving off codeine abusers).

So, society/government are aware that codeine can easily be abused (it was abused even during my father's generation, same brand name, too), but it's just not that serious of a problem here yet.

[RoboCodeine7610]

So you're Japanese?I mean your english is so good I thought you just lived there.I live in Saudi Arabia although I was born in New York and raised mostly in Spain.I do think the 13 box limit is a pretty good measure to reduce abuse as long as they're keeping track of who buys it properly.

Here in Saudi, there's no such thing as OTC.There are controlled substances, and non-controlled substances.The controlled substances you can only get at a hospital pharmacy (e.g Valium,Prozac,Soma etc...) and with a doctors prescription.The non-controlled substances you can get at any pharmacy, but are always behind the counter and you have to ask the pharmacist for it.

It's pretty fucked up over here when it comes to drugs, medical drugs or otherwise.There is no such thing as Oxycodone or hydrocodone or morphine pills.Everything (basically morphine and betadine) is only avaliable in injection form and has to be administered at the hospital.The only opiate I've ever seen in pill form (well, capsule actually) is Tramadol (aside from 500mg/30mg/8mg co-codamol that is).

When it comes to street drugs it's fucked up too.There barely is a little bit of Hash and pills with weird arabic names which are extremely difficult if not impossible to get a hold of (or so swim tells me).Anyways, my point is appreciate what you have because you're really, really lucky to have OTC Dihydrocodeine (plus I've heard Japan is full of Ecstacy).

Robo

[tiramisu4you]

Oh no, man. SWIM's nationality is United States. SWIM think SWIM may have given the wrong impression when SWIM said "father's generation." What SWIM meant is that a Japanese friend who is the same age as SWIM told SWIM that her father and her father's buddies would abuse BRON back in the day. So that's the detailed explanation.

There's ecstasy here, but Japan's true speciality is "SHABU" (or just called "S"). SHABU is the Japanese word for "methamphetamine" or "crystal meth." SWIM plans to try it for the first time in his life in the next few weeks. SWIM knows he'll love it because SWIM used to abuse adderall and ritalin during university days.

Hydrocodone and oxycodone are not prescribed at all in Japan. They don't exist! Adderall also does not exist! Until a couple months ago, ritalin used to prescribed for "depression." Japanese doctors love to over-prescribe medication because they earn more money. You could go to doctor, fill out a questionnaire to make it look like you are suicidal, then 10 minutes later have a ritalin prescription. BUT, that started to get abused a lot and ritalin-related crimes got out of hand, so now ritalin is only prescribed for Narcolepsy (and you will be thoroughly tested to see if you're lying, so it's basically no longer acquirable). So yeah, besides codeine, no opiate and no amphetamines are prescribed in Japan. That's the price you pay for being able to get ANY benzo prescribed with no questions asked.

SOMA is controlled in Saudi? Interesting. Here you can order SOMA from a Japanese online pharmacy. 90 pills each containing 350mg for about $100 USD. No Japanese person SWIM knows has ever heard of SOMA so yeah, it's nice. =) Just gotta enjoy the opportunity while you can because the world just keeps on getting more and more regulated. Btw, a month ago Japan made it so you have to have a special card to buy beer or cigarettes from vending machines. Before, all you needed was some change. =)

I do think the 13 box limit is a pretty good measure to reduce abuse as long as they're keeping track of who buys it properly.

But it's not a good measure. Because SWIM can order 13 boxes from Tanaka Drug Store. Then SWIM can order 13 boxes from Sushi Drug Store. Then SWIM get order 13 boxes from Tokyo Drug Store. So it's not really effective at all. SWIM's address info and order information is not put in some national or local database, so as long as SWIM is ordering from different shops, it's all gravy. Nobody cross checks anything. This lack of cross-checking also includes prescription medication and doctor visits (so for example, if a psychiatrist won't give me valium, then SWIM can find another clinic and try his luck there).

You're living in Saudi, that's really fascinating. I find Arab and Persian woman to be the most attractive females in the world, but that's irrelevant. Anyway, are you working there? Or are you stationed there because of your parents' job? Do you have to go to Bahrain to be able to have some fun?

Ahora estoy trabajando asi que necesito pongo punto final a este mensaje. Comprendes el espanol, no?

Later, my friend.

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Interesting info.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Oh no, man. SWIM's nationality is United States. SWIM think SWIM may have given the wrong impression when SWIM said "father's generation." What SWIM meant is that a Japanese friend who is the same age as SWIM told SWIM that her father and her father's buddies would abuse BRON back in the day. So that's the detailed explanation.

Yeah, that's what I thought all along but when you said "back in your father's day"I thought you were actually talking about your father.

There's ecstasy here, but Japan's true speciality is "SHABU" (or just called "S"). SHABU is the Japanese word for "methamphetamine" or "crystal meth." SWIM plans to try it for the first time in his life in the next few weeks. SWIM knows he'll love it because SWIM used to abuse adderall and ritalin during university days.

Well, you might like it but I've heard that the comedown is horrible.Someone also told me that H takes care of the comedown, so some of that BRON shit might come in handy.

Hydrocodone and oxycodone are not prescribed at all in Japan. They don't exist! Adderall also does not exist!

Just like here, there's no such thing as hydrocodone/oxycodone.Adderall used to exist till lots of students started abusing them so they just took them out of clinical use.

SOMA is controlled in Saudi? Interesting. Here you can order SOMA from a Japanese online pharmacy. 90 pills each containing 350mg for about $100 USD. No Japanese person SWIM knows has ever heard of SOMA so yeah, it's nice. =) Just gotta enjoy the opportunity while you can because the world just keeps on getting more and more regulated.

Yeah, it's controlled and although I have heard of it being avaliable in hospitals I've never heard of anyone getting it prescribed to them.

So yeah, besides codeine, no opiate and no amphetamines are prescribed in Japan. That's the price you pay for being able to get ANY benzo prescribed with no questions asked.

No questions asked?Damn, over here it's as hard as getting morphine.Doctors all look at benzos as substances of abuse and not as the treatment to a lot of psychological disorders.As soon as you start talking to a doctor about your anxiety disorder, they automatically assume you're just trying to score benzos.It's horrible...

But it's not a good measure. Because SWIM can order 13 boxes from Tanaka Drug Store. Then SWIM can order 13 boxes from Sushi Drug Store. Then SWIM get order 13 boxes from Tokyo Drug Store. So it's not really effective at all. SWIM's address info and order information is not put in some national or local database, so as long as SWIM is ordering from different shops, it's all gravy. Nobody cross checks anything. This lack of cross-checking also includes prescription medication and doctor visits (so for example, if a psychiatrist won't give me valium, then SWIM can find another clinic and try his luck there).

yeah, that's what I expected, just like pseudoephedrine in the U.S they ask you for your name and address but never actually keep track of it...Plus 13 bottles is a lot!

You're living in Saudi, that's really fascinating. I find Arab and Persian woman to be the most attractive females in the world, but that's irrelevant. Anyway, are you working there? Or are you stationed there because of your parents' job? Do you have to go to Bahrain to be able to have some fun?

Trust me there's absolutely nothing facinating about it.I got dragged here because my father wanted to work here and he brought me when I was still under 18.Now I can't get out because,from what I've heard,you've gotta be 21 to get out of the country without your father's permission, but I still have to double check that...

Ahora estoy trabajando asi que necesito pongo punto final a este mensaje. Comprendes el espanol, no?

Pues si,soy de Espana y tu?Hablas espanol o lo traduciste del ingles?

Robo