Citric Acid Questions

[copro]

1) Is the citric acid in liquid form just as good as the powdered form when preparing H no. 3 for IV use?

2) If SWIM thought he had heroin no.3 and added citric acid for IV use but it actually turned out SWIM had heroin no. 4 would this be bad?

[Solinari]

I have never heard of citric acid in liquid form, the only thing i can think of is if it has been dissolved in water first then one could use it but one would really need to know the strength of it.

If it is heroin 4 then all one has to do is try and dissolve it in water and if it doesn't work then one needs citric acid or ascorbic acid, also known as vitamin C, but don't try using orange effervescent tablets that have 1000mg of vitamin C, it won't work and is a bad idea.

I am unsure what you mean by liquid citric, i suppose if it's pure and doesn't have any other stuff in it (flavourings and/or colourings) then it might be OK, but i would use as little as possible.

[copro]

SWIM was surprised too about the liquid form as he had only ever heard of the powdered form. SWIM has had a hard time trying to get citric acid, much harder than getting the H itself. SWIM eventually tried Boots the chemist and the nice pharmacist offered to order it in specially in 50mg bottles of liquid, so unless she's mistaken SWIMs gerring a liquid not a powder.

SWIM asked me to post more about it when SWIM picks it up.

SWIM's H is grey and powdery with little rocks in it, how will SWIM know when it's dissolved?

[Solinari]

One should be able to find a needle exchange somewhere, usually a pharmacy like Boots. Boots in my area has a needle exchange that comes with Citric Acid BP sterile sachets, 100mg per sachet. Apparently 100mg of citric acid is enough to dissolve 1 gram of brown heroin, but that is going on average purity and as far as i know the purer it is the more you need.

One should be able to find a needle exchange somewhere in ones area, either a pharmacy or a drug service, i would use google or something to see if there are any in ones area. Or just phone local pharmacies if one doesn't want to go in and ask.

Unless this liquid citric is pure and or/BP (British Pharmacopoeia), then i wouldn't use it. One can use citric acid that is used in cooking and my friend has bought a huge bag of it once or twice, but he would definitely rather use the BP stuff and the sterile sachets.

Don't use lemon juice or vinegar, my friend has used both especially lemon juice many times but after a feeling really bad he swore never to use it again. It can cause fungal infections in the heart and the eyes which can be very serious and it's really not worth it. I can't believe how casually my friend used to use lemon juice, he will never use it again, he would rather smoke it.

Sounds like one is inexperienced when it comes to shooing up smack, so i would advise against it and just smoke the shit, it really isn't a good thing to get in to. Does one even know how to get a vein and inject without missing? If one absolutely must inject then do it with someone that knows what they are doing or one could end up with a nasty abscess at best and possibly overdose at worst, and if no one is around, then one is screwed. When one goes over one has no time to get help.

Even if one has a habit from smoking it, then just keep smoking it or one will regret starting with injecting, and if one doesn't have a habit then one should definitely just smoke it, it's really not worth injecting it, especially if one doesn't know what they are doing.

[fnord]

heroin 3? 4? what do the numbers signify?

[Solinari]

Heroin 3 is typically brown 'base' heroin that isn't as refined as heroin 4 which is in the hydrochloric salt form. I suppose it's similar to crack (base coke) and cocaine (hydrochloride).

Heroin 4 goes through an extra step in the manufacturing process, it is usually purer and is very soluble in water. Heroin 3 is in a base form and doesn't dissolve in water, so an acid is required. Usually citric acid or ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), this turns it in to Heroin Citrate, well i am unsure what ascorbic acid turns it in to, might be citrate as well, or ascorbate or something, don't know really.

Unless the heroin is white or off white, then it's probably heroin 3 which can be various shades of brown or sometimes called "fawn". Heroin 4 will dissolve in water in a clear colourless solution, heroin 3, depending on the concentration and probably the colour of the powder (shades of brown), can be anything from a cola to tea colour, it should be a clear solution but only through adding the acid of course (use as little as possible until it 'clears up').

As far as i know, heroin 4 does not 'run' on foil, but it will still melt and can still be smoked. Heroin 3 should run and if it doesn't then it's either really weak or really shit gear.

[copro]

Update-

SWIM finally collected his citric acid from Boots and it is a powder. It's 50g citric acid monohydrate BP in a box called "Care" by Thornton and Ross. It's a white powder that looks like sugar.

@ Solinari - Thanks for the warning, SWIMs been injecting Intra Muscular for years but never done an IV. SWIM has read lots about it and thinks he will be ok.

[smackhead]

SWIM finally collected his citric acid from Boots and it is a powder. It's 50g citric acid monohydrate BP in a box called "Care" by Thornton and Ross.

yea thats the stuff to use

[alessio_3]

in swim's area, the brown heroin, si often mixed with the liquid you are talking about. it comes in yellow plastic bottles, it is either natural pure lemon juice, either a chemical that resembles lime. it disolves the h pretty fast, and it helps because you no longer need water (for those who use it in unproper conditions)

[Psych0naut]

^^^ But that's just lemon juice, or in the best case concentrated lemon juice, not pure citric acid dissolved in water. It stil lcontains polutents. Both citric and ascorbinic(vitamin C) acid of the highest purity are easilly found for sale on the internet, google is ones friend.

[Solinari]

Yea that is just Lemon juice, Jiff lemon to be exact, my friend used to use it a long time ago but he will NEVER use it again, ever. It can cause dirty hits of the nastiest kind, and it can cause fungal infections in the eyes and even the heart.

Don't use lemon juice, EVER! Smoke it instead.

By the way, my friend recently received some proper filters from exchange supplies as well as citric/heroin reaction DVD, it's very interesting. The brown heroin they used was very pure, they took 130mg of this heroin (probably seized) and added the citric to it a tiny bit at a time, after dissolving it completely (clearing up) the amount of citric was around 25mg (a QUARTER of a sachet!). The solution was analysed in a lab and came back as 97mg of diamorphine citrate, that's out of 130mg remember (you do the math, i can't be bothered). They then added the rest of the sachet (another 75mg or so) to the already cleared up solution (why anyone would do this is beyond me, but never the less), the pH of this solution was almost twice as acidic (can't recall but it was below 2, the lower the stronger). Again it was analysed, this time it contained around 50mg of diamorphine citrate and the rest was 'other opiates products' or something like that (can't recall exactly), basically they said the higher pH broke the heroin down and it would eventually be broken down to morphine (citrate i assume).

The thing is, your gear doesn't always 'clear up' with a small amount of citric and can even take more than a sachet (100mg). The time taken to explain this was disappointing, they (Dr Jenny Scott, Bath university i think) simply said it was probably adulterants which is not an unreasonable thing to say, it probably is. Never the less who wants to use a small amount of citric, filter up what dissolves and throw away what looks like half a bag left undissolved? Well not many people, but that's the advice they give. Seems to me it would have been better to have done this experiment with heroin off a local dealer selling bags with adulterants again probably seized (a recently busted dealer or something), 97mg of pure heroin out of 130mg, this brown gear, that's some high grade shit right there, not your average bag on the street i would argue, pity they didn't get me to 'analyse it' .

I tried looking for the video quickly on Google but couldn't find it but it was a very quick look.