How addictive is Meth? More pleasurable than Coke?

[Pinball_map]

swim has done a lot of shit but has always stayed away from meth. straight up bud, the shit takes your soul. don't touch it

[vantranist]

For swim meth is much much more pleasurable than coke (even the purist shit)

Coke just feels like a much more 'dirty' high... heart pounding, shortness of breath, it feels almost like no matter how much SWIM does the pounding heart and shortness of breath increase, with only slight increase of Euphoria.

So when it comes to pleasure tweak seems like a much more pleasurable drug, however there are other factors that to swim that makes coke much more overall addictive in a worse way that meth is.


Meths main problem for swim is it feels 2 damn good, cokes problem to swim is it feels great, possibly the only drug that comes close to tweak for SWIM, HOWEVER the comdown is much much more intense and worse, to the point its not even worth it. IT IS however much shorter, but fuck... after feeling both comdowns, give swim the long drawn out comdown of meth, coke is just 2 brutal.

On the flip side, its great having a 5 hour comedown compared to my average 15-24 hour comedown of tweak.

So in summery, how addictive is meth? well depends on urself and what makes a drug addictive to YOU. However meth feels as tho u go willingly into addition, it feels so good you just dont care, coke feels more like its forcing you to be an addict.

witch drugs more pleasurable? WITHOUT A DOUBT meth.

PS swim has had both cocaine and meth addiction problems. he has a very addictive personality.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Methamphetamine releases more dopamine on to the brain so medically speaking it is more pleasureable. However it it just a metter if opinion.

[ImSoHappy]

Correct me if im wrong but,
It seems that the conclusion is meth is more euphoric because it releases 1200 units of dopamine while cocaine only traps around 400 units. But just because 1200 is released with meth doesnt mean that all of those units of dopamine are in the synapes at the same time. Its 1200 units released in a 6-8 hour or however long period, while cocaine, depending on route of administation, is 400 units in 30 minutes (insulffation) or 400 unites in 1 minute (smoking) making cocaine more euphoric. Although I do know there is an initial surge in dopamine (rush) when smoking or IVing but im not sure what portion of the 1200 units that is.

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[imyourlittlebare]

1. they dont work the same way. if you smoke chocolate, the chocolate doesnt take over your receptors. Its the chemicals in it

Phenethylamine is broken down before it passes the blood brain barrier
Theobromine- doesnt do anything psychoactive

so the only real psychoactivity going on is through caffeine. chocolate isnt the culprit, two mild stimulant chemicals are the culprits. but after reading, these stimulant effects are much too small to cause any sort of buzz to occur. so the reinforcment of the chocolate must be in taste and pleasure from eating it. while dopamine is released its much less than a cup of coffee. however, there appears to be some endorphan action due to the taste of chocolate being pleasing to people. I will have to read up on that more but that sounds like a secondary gain. but it seems the main reason people eat chocolate isnt because of chemical manipulation, its because it releases dopamine because its a high calorie food and as we all know, animals crave high calorie foods.

so while your right in a sense, its not chocolate that is working the same way its the chemical in it. And since the effect is too weak, comparing the two things to equallity would be negligent. since abusivelly takes control of your neurons in this area, forces them to release neurotransmitters that create intense pleasure that
A. you would never naturally feel this high. i cant say that with absolute certainty unless you are a bipolar patient with such an intense mania that you are psychotic by the end.
B. Fool your body into thinking that this drug is causing you to have great sex and power within your community along with great food and you are king of the world (evoulutionary psychiology terms would say this pathway was to naturarally reward one for getting food, mating and normal things and do so in varying degrees. if you had to reward naturally, we wouldnt do anything we would all be suicidal or not take care of families and stuff. )this drug fools your brain into thinking all the anxieties are gone and that you have done a ton of things to increase your wellbeing as a human being when you in fact have not
3. it causes the system to work unnaturally. it works it to the point where there is cells that destroy themselves and cause severe neurotoxicity.
4. too much chocolate causes tummy aches. too much meth causes schizo like symptoms
5. the reason people take meth is because it is very addicting. science shows that there just isnt enough abuse potential there for chocolate to even come close

so while i agree it can act on some of the same brain areas. primarily in the pleasure center, its not chocolate that is doing the action, the chemicals action is much different than meth and to use the fact that the chemicals in chocolate and meth stimulate dopamine release in the NA to try and make a case that meth is ok is wrong. There is a big difference. so thats why its wrong to say it does the same thing. it doesnt have the same mechanism. chocolate is food and is reinforcing as high fat calorie food. meth is reinforcing because it chemically rapes you.

[SmokingBowls420]

On a purely mathematical level, meth is 35 times better than cocaine...It lasts about 16 times longer (30 min vs 8 hours), it also releases 6.5 times the normal amount of dopamine the body releases during sex, while cocaine only releases 3 times the normal amount....That is if you just go by how long u wanna feel high and how euphoric you want to be, the type of buzz it gives you depends on the person, but generally, smoked meth makes insuffilated cocaine seem like a minor itch....Swims sure crack probobly has the same comparison to cocaine though.

[fiveleggedrat]

35 times better? You have some proof of this?

Swim would only put it at about 20% better.

[Moe Szyslak]

If SWIM did a equal amounts of each drug.

Coke = Yap, yap... 45 minutes of tripping down memory lane but I would sleep that night.
Tweek = 6 hours tripping down memory lane, 3 hours of cleaning anything and everything. No sleep for at least 24 hours.

Have you ever seen your neighbor working in his garage all night and day and then disappear for 2 days? SWIM, actually my best friend in my younger days, ended up living in his brothers garage, couldn't hold a job or keep a girl. He was out of control when ever it came to either but the meth did the most damage.

[SmokingBowls420]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

35 times better? You have some proof of this?

Swim would only put it at about 20% better.

From the standpoint of basic chemistry and economics, meth works twice as good at releasing dopaine, and 16 times longer, as well as being FAR cheaper than cocaine, speaking purely in biochemical matters, meth works 35 times better than cocaine at what it does......Yes coke feels very different and swim personally enjoys coke more on a recreational party drug mindset, but with meth, swim would take a daily habit of meth over cocaine any day.

Oh yeah, swim was watching some TV report on meth and they explained how shit works on the brain....It was somewhere on youtube. But he can't find it anymore.

[Grunge Inc.]

Meth is generally at least 5x stronger than street coke.....It lasts way longer....you could binge for several days with each high (depending on strength) lasting from approx. 2-6 hrs..., where as coke you get that initial high and you restart after 30min.-1 hr.....smoking kills my voice/throat...so I don't like it.......snorting will make you horny as hell, and/or very creative with arts or cleaning...."Banging" used to make you orgasm in your pants....but, now meth is a waste of time....I was addicted a couple years back...and now I'm relatively clean.....I slam it every once in a while....I prefer coke....If ya clean coke from it's "cutting agents", making it more pure....than snorting/slamming coke is just as fun as meth...w/o all the excess meth B.S......but you should always be careful....I don't have an addictive personality....I used to go thru binges on different drugs, and then drop em.....I became addicted to meth...and it ate my life/soul....luckily I came out unscathed physically.....and stay healthy....but I do admit, I do slam coke mainly, and sometimes meth.....I just don't let it sneak up on me like it did once....
Moderation or cessation from the living...into a world of paranoia, and bugs that feel like they bite, but aren't there....You become a shell of humiliation...Remember that...I used to slam up to teener over a day....It'll kill ya...but, isn't that what life's about...finding where you stand, and usually the hard way....

[Grunge Inc.]

Originally Posted by Grunge Inc.

Meth is generally at least 5x stronger than street coke.....It lasts way longer....you could binge for several days with each high (depending on strength) lasting from approx. 2-6 hrs..., where as coke you get that initial high and you restart after 30min.-1 hr.....smoking kills my voice/throat...so I don't like it.......snorting will make you horny as hell, and/or very creative with arts or cleaning...."Banging" used to make you orgasm in your pants....but, now meth is a waste of time....I was addicted a couple years back...and now I'm relatively clean.....I slam it every once in a while....I prefer coke....If ya clean coke from it's "cutting agents", making it more pure....than snorting/slamming coke is just as fun as meth...w/o all the excess meth B.S......but you should always be careful....I don't have an addictive personality....I used to go thru binges on different drugs, and then drop em.....I became addicted to meth...and it ate my life/soul....luckily I came out unscathed physically.....and stay healthy....but I do admit, I do slam coke mainly, and sometimes meth.....I just don't let it sneak up on me like it did once....
Moderation or cessation from the living...into a world of paranoia, and bugs that feel like they bite, but aren't there....You become a shell of humiliation...Remember that...I used to slam up to teener over a day....It'll kill ya...but, isn't that what life's about...finding where you stand, and usually the hard way....

"The only thing you have to fear.....Is.......Fear Yourself"-- ?

[rocksmokinmachine]

Remember not to incriminate yourself use SWIM (somone who isn't me) or something similar.

[Benga]

a related thread which might be of interest :
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9139

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[TheBlackPope]

Originally Posted by thealmassi1

Has anyone been addicted after the first time SWIY takes it?? is it more addictive depending on the intake of the drug (snorting vs injection vs oral)? How long does the high of a typical dose last? Is it more pleasurable than Coke?
A lot of questions, yes, but plz answer w.e you can.
Thanks

In SWIMS experience:

Originally Posted by switheblackpope

It took swim three months to become "addicted" to methamphetamine but I was not respecting the dope instead abusing it like an asshole. I know plenty of addicts - as well as plenty of respecting users. I personally wouldn't advocate the use, but I would support you if that was your decision.

DONT EVER SNORT IT. Snorting is honestly not the way this dope was meant to be taken. I have had plenty of experiences w/ the snort and the smoke, and I can guarentee intanasally is not even that pleasent. The negatives outweigh the positives. You do not get "spun" which is why people use it.

Always smoke it. Smoking produces the intense euphoria that everyone talks about. You "feel good" when you snort but you don't "feel great/spun."

Depending on how you use it, the high will feel different and last different varieties. I havenever shot methamphetamine so I won't talk about it.

Snorting last longer...but again sucks and isn't worth it. I would say 8-12 hours from one dose.

Smoking last shorter...but again is better and is worth it. I would say 6-8hours from one dose.

I think snorting is less addictive then smoking which is less addicting then injecting. That is my opinion but I am not shure of the medical process.

Everyone usually says "Meth>>>Cocaine 4 lyf" but I don't agree. People think cocaine is just a shitty version of meth. The euphoria I get from cocaine, especially smoked cocaine, easily kills anything meth can offer. On the flip side, cocaine last me 45mins tops from one dose, but meth can last me half my day. Both have their qualities and their place, and I think its dumb to say cocaine is just a shitty version of meth, because its not. IMO at least.

I think its something everyone should experience at least once in their life. I don't think the majority of people who get high will become tweakers.

[edit] Swim is actually hitting the shillae for the first time in 2 years+ on newyears! He is excited [/edit]

[Qulu]

If SWIY has ever taken ridalin then SWIY is a ready made addict. Turns out doctors are turning out thousands (millions?) of addicts every year by subscribing Ridilin to kids. The drug establishes the same neural pathways that both Meth and Coke use. Since kids are often on these "babysitter in a bottle" pills for years then the pathways are established permanently. Once a former ridilin user grows up and tries Meth or Coke for themselves they have a virtually instant addiction as bad as any veteran user.
Way to go AMA. And to any parents out there whose kids are on ridilin... Get off your drunk/stoned/lazy fat asses and take ur kid to the park so they can run off some energy. Stop putting them on baby downers just so you don't have to be bothered.

[izzy31]

Originally Posted by Qulu

If SWIY has ever taken ridalin then SWIY is a ready made addict. Turns out doctors are turning out thousands (millions?) of addicts every year by subscribing Ridilin to kids. The drug establishes the same neural pathways that both Meth and Coke use. Since kids are often on these "babysitter in a bottle" pills for years then the pathways are established permanently. Once a former ridilin user grows up and tries Meth or Coke for themselves they have a virtually instant addiction as bad as any veteran user.
Way to go AMA. And to any parents out there whose kids are on ridilin... Get off your drunk/stoned/lazy fat asses and take ur kid to the park so they can run off some energy. Stop putting them on baby downers just so you don't have to be bothered.

That is 100% exactly what happened to SWIM. Using Ritalin since he was six, tried crystal meth in his teen years and is now a full blown addict. He was a chronic user for one full year of his life, snorting over a dozen lines a day and two, sometimes three 8 balls a week. He has almost no recollection of that period of his life. He just remembers that he was totally insane, hearing things, seeing things, and had these paranoid delusions that now seem abosolutely off the wall making no sense whatsoever.

[Swimster]

LOL^^ nice post SWIQ.

[Swimster]

yea, swim has been hearing all this bull about cocaine vs. methamphetamine, and swim believes it's the hype. I mean, who cares if rock-stars like cocaine!

On the PHARM side though:

"Methamphetamine releases more dopamine on to the brain so medically speaking it is more pleasureable. However it it just a metter if opinion."

It seems anywhere i go people are always referring to how meth "releases" more dopeamine than cocaine, well, the truth is(and the main reason for meth's potency over coke or similar) that cocaine Does not release dopamine, However, methamphetamine does. May sound confusing, but this IS the main difference between the twos' mechanisims. As known:

Cocaine : Dopamine Re-uptake Inhibition
Meth : Dopamine Releser and Re-uptake Inhibition

So this is the comparisn^^ Cocaine keeps the already present dopamine in the synaptic gaps for receptor stimulation. Where as Meth is similar to Dopamine's structure and it decides to get it self re-uptaked into the sending cell, and there-for pushes the dopamine out of the sending cell, in addition to keeping the dopamine out of sending cell(also known as reuptake inhibition)

Sorry for all the pharmacology, btw...

[BongTech]

The OP seems to have managed to have two threads asking the exact same question.... which, at current time, are right beside each other on the board. Anywhooo... here is a copy of the reply my friend BT urged me to put in the other thread. This version of the thread has more traffic, so be better in here than the other one. ...................................... It (Meth) is not physiologically addictive at all.... but addiction is a much over used and misunderstood term. There are people that can use meth and not have a problem, maintain a normal life and function. Just as there are people that can use alcohol and not have a problem. (This is an over-simplification for illustration purposes, am aware there is recent research showing genetic predisposition in some alcoholics.) However, the flipside is (just as with alcohol) there are some people that grow to like it and its effects too much. If you are one of those people then it is possible that you will fuck up your life if you tangle with meth. But if swiy, like my friend BT was when he used it, are one of those people that can use it, practice moderation and apply common sense - then it can be a useful & fun substance. Dont believe all the hyperbole in the media and from the 'moral majority' and the "Faces of Meth" stories about how it will leave a wrinkled shell with rotten teeth. The people in those horror stories didn't use it, they abused it. There is a difference. if one eats (difficult, but not impossible), takes vitamins, rests on a regular schedule (even if full sleep is not going to happen), cleans teeth (& uses a mouthwash) if smoking it etc.... A lot of it is basic common sense. Another important factor is making sure any adulterants, toxins etc are removed before use. If swiy was self-supplying then that shouldn't be a problem.. but shit that is bought is most likely just that.... shit. Clean it up with a couple of acetone rinses at the very least. Most of the problems associated with meth come from other stuff left in it, and folks that don't look after themselves whilst using....Better safe than sorry. Caution however should be practiced, in BT's opinion, with IVing it. he never did that - and is thankful. He had friends - two close friends (of sorts) that maintained fine, and led normal lives when smoking it, even on a fairly regular basis. But once they started IVing that changed - their lives went to hell in a hand cart. One of them has not yet made it back to the "real world" (and probably wont), and while the other has, it took them 2 long hard years. Knowing ones limits, common sense, & moderation are the key!

[TheMorphineMan]

RE: original topic

Swim was addicted to meth for the better part of three years, and this is what he can tell you: it just depends. It depends mainly, obviously, on how much you like the drug's effects, no matter the method you choose to take it. Swim became addicted to meth by snorting; later, hanging around with a bunch of smokers, he began smoking it exclusively; and finally, about 9 months before quitting, swim tried injecting and did that exclusively. Though, swim has friends who say they never had any problem with meth while snorting or smoking, and only became addicted after they tried injecting.

Swim thinks definitely injecting meth will get swiy addicted the quickest, because one not only experiences the "tweaking" high, but also this incredibly rush that is impossible to forget. I'll even go so far as to say people who inject meth actually have two addictions: the rush and the normal high afterward.

As for meth being more pleasurable than coke, that is just subjective and depends on the person. Good meth and good coke feel different and both have unique qualities. Swim always loved coke, but always loved meth more.

And answering swiy's one question about being addicted after the first time the substance is used: swim thinks that after the first or second use is when someone probably has the most willpower to decide whether or not he/she can handle doing it again without becoming addicted. For example, swim smoked crack ONE single time, and never again. Swim loved the feeling (crazy awesome), but knew it would be too risky to try again. The problem that swim had with meth (and morphine/opiates) was that he never *thought* he might come to love the drug as much as he did.

Swim was lucky though and kicked the habit, but it was the hardest thing he ever did and definitely the hardest drug he ever had to quit.

[c17h21no4]

there were some dudes that posted altho' you could tell from a million miles they never took any of them.
just reading my user name and you can tell i like coke and even i say meth is much much more addictive , euphoric , etc. but ! altho is much stronger and usually considered more dangerous , again IMO it's a better , safer drug to get addicted to. SWIM did both , now SWIM does only (d-)meth/amphetamine because he finds in them the whole package. coke is great , no doubt about it , but 30 mins ? less if smoked/injected ... amphetamines have quite a few tricks up their sleeves , longer effects , stronger effect , and IMO the most addictive , the fact that you feel and usually do everything better. learning , sex ( no premature ejaculation ^^ ) , no fatigue , no hunger , always ready to go , always sociable , everything is very rewarding and the list can go on. you can go high on meth everywhere , doctor , school , work , GF , police station , court , play sports ( it's advisable to use much less, you dont get tired , but a short sprint and you cant breath either ) and yes , you guessed it , everything is again ... much better ( you are better at it and it also feels better doing it ^^ ). i personally feel sick about every anti-meth campaign , take some dam* 5-htp (usually when you dont feel that mood lift anymore it's time to really take 5-htp , you'll start feeling the mood lift in about a week) and tyrozine ,etc, but that's another story.

sorry for the "()" but some safety tips are always good , especially with meth ^^. now take that melatonin and go to sleep !

[fiveleggedrat]

Coke is more casual. Coke has a lot more possibility for use common use. Meth is another class of drug. Meth would make Swim fiend, whereas he would do Coke only for an hour or two. Meth is stronger and more addictive based on Swim's experience.

[desperado]

Yes meth ismore pleasurable then any drug in the world . and you get addicted to it after first time, dont realy matter if you inject it or smoke it or w/e , as long as its pure meth .

Meth is not type of drug you wanna try to see what its like .

[desperado]

Coke to Meth is like Alcohol to water

[vantranist]

^^^ what do u mean?