Purity - Ketamine crystals

[aerozeppelin123]

My friend's hamster has just bought some ketamine, it is a pure white colour and is made up of lots of tiny crystals, not a powder as such. He wanted to know if that means it's pure or can crystals still have other things cut in with them.

[rxbandit]

swiys description sounds similar to the pure K swim gets. it is harder to cut something that is spindly crystals due to the consistency. swim would assume there is a better probability of it being pure if it has large crystals.

[enquirewithin]

Sounds about right for ketamine dried from liquid. But with ingenuity anything can be cut!

[ThirdEyeFloond]

This sounds like the pure K SWIM was once importing in another life. It would be hard to cut without it being noticeable but SWIM guesses anything's possible if people are greedy enough. It should be fully and easily soluble in water, many cutproducts are too, so this doesn't tell much, but some aren't, and if something still floats around in the water, SWIY would atleast know it aint K. Also even though its 'pure' aka not cut doesn't rule out impurities from the synthesis, SWIM has had ketamine that tested to be 96% pure, he never found out what the remaining ~4% was, but his money isn't on vitamines.

[Nose Dive]

My Bill loves getting it in crystal form. In fact, he is suspicious if it isn't. He's just more accustom to it like that.

[InsaneNcrazY]

SWIM get them in crystal form... Very pure.

[enquirewithin]

Yet very pure stuff can come as a fine powder too...

[kip]

Well Don't count on it being pure just becuase its crystals. You can crystalize alot of things and make it look like ketamine. Disolving salt in water then letting it dry out being one of the easiest ways to get that look. However it would have a very salty taste.

Swim knows of many other white crystals that he has ran into that were def. not Ketamine, however looked and almost tasted like it.

But anyways it could also be that it truely is pure. Who knows.

[farmerwardy]

ketamine crystals are ketamine chloride, effectivly a salt. (not reccomended to sniff)
powder form ketamine (which has been disolved in water and then cooked back out) is ketamine hydrochloride.
which is the way "most" people do it.

[ThirdEyeFloond]

Originally Posted by farmerwardy

ketamine crystals are ketamine chloride, effectivly a salt. (not reccomended to sniff)
powder form ketamine (which has been disolved in water and then cooked back out) is ketamine hydrochloride.
which is the way "most" people do it.

Ketamine crystals are usually if not always on HCl saltform, no matter if it's been evaporated from liquid or not. So SWIM can't really follow what SWIf is saying.

[kip]

Originally Posted by farmerwardy

ketamine crystals are ketamine chloride, effectivly a salt. (not reccomended to sniff)
powder form ketamine (which has been disolved in water and then cooked back out) is ketamine hydrochloride.
which is the way "most" people do it.

If this is true... can't someone just get ketamine crystals (shardy stuff) and just crush it into powder and pass it off as 'ketamine hci'

People preffer fine white powder which is a lot easier to cut than crystal shards?

Swim thinks the only true way to know your getting the good stuff is to goto the vet

[ThirdEyeFloond]

Originally Posted by kip

If this is true... can't someone just get ketamine crystals (shardy stuff) and just crush it into powder and pass it off as 'ketamine hci'

People preffer fine white powder which is a lot easier to cut than crystal shards?

Swim thinks the only true way to know your getting the good stuff is to goto the vet

SWIY could dissolve crystals in liquid and evaporate it of, that would leave SWIY with a product identical to 'powder form' ketamine. Why would SWIY want to cut it though?

[kip]

swim doesn't want to cut it.

However thinks that if he bought a bag of fine powder it would be more likely to be cut. If anything swim would buy in shards and dissolve and re-evaporate in water if it means better quality?

[ThirdEyeFloond]

SWIM misread SWIk's post, sorry. SWIM would say theres a lesser chance that SWIY's ketamine is cut if he finds it as crystals compared to powder. But no guarantees either way.

[farmerwardy]

sniff salt if you like :
swim does not like
either way its not that great

[ThirdEyeFloond]

Originally Posted by farmerwardy

sniff salt if you like :
swim does not like
either way its not that great

What SWIM was trying to say is that the ketamine hydrochloride one gets from either crystals or evaporating ketamine in a liquid solution is on saltform, and is as much a salt as SWIY gets. SWIY is not sniffing something that isn't a salt if it's ketamine unless SWIY is doing freebase ketamine which SWIM is uncertain if even exists on consumer-level and less certain that it isn't a too unstable molecule to be used as is.

[farmerwardy]

now confused.
ketamine hcl isnt a salt, ketamine cl is.

one is not purer than the other because they are different chemicals, the hcl looks phisically bigger, hence why its preferred by dealers, and is easier on the nose.

who in their right mind wud cut ketamine, its so dam cheap anyway?

[Paracelsus]

Now even more confused. Got any reference on that?

[farmerwardy]

whats the confusion about?

[Paracelsus]

The existence of ketamine Cl and it being different from ketamine HCl.

[farmerwardy]

Originally Posted by Paracelsus

The existence of ketamine Cl and it being different from ketamine HCl.

once the lik has been found it will be posted

[ThirdEyeFloond]

SWIM accidently stumpled upon a bottle of Ketavet this weekend, containing ketamine chloride, so he stands corrected. Although clinging to the ropes he still stubbornly holds that hydrochloride is a salt though.

EDIT: Sorry SWIYs, SWIM should post less when stoned. It says ketamine chloride on the bottle, but also that it contains 2-(2-chlorophenyl)-2-methylamino-cyclohexan-1-one hydrochloride. See why in the post below.

[Psych0naut]

Yes, it would chemically not be possible. The basic amine functional group of ketamine will form a neutral salt with an acid. Chlorine is not an acid, and will not form a salt, but hydrochloric acid will. Hydrochloric acid donates the HCl anion, and will form a salt with ketamine freebase.

[nuckinfutz]

SWIM would only buy K again if he gets the original vial.