research chems on the street

[cyalume]

Have you guys ever found research chems from dealers? I have asked many times and have never even found anyone who has heard of them much less is selling them . Suprisingly i have never run into anyone who has heard of 2c-b either.. i figured for sure that one would at least have been somewhat known.

[HippieD9]

yes, just look harder





D.

[Pinkavvy]

lol yeah, there's dealers who sell research chems. lots of them. the last couple years research chemicals have been some of the most popular items at gatherings, festivals, and music tours.

[Triple7]

To me it looks like most adictcs, regular users and dealers have no
idea of RC.. and nor do they have any idea who is Shulgin... the big
mass seem to only know the ones a 10-year-old can name.. then in some
occations you may add ketamine or something in a persons knowledge
'databse'.

[Zandorf]

i've seen them around on occasion,



i've seen 2c-i, 2c-b(dunno if that one is really considered a research chem still or what) and 2c-t

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[cactus]

ive seen 2c-e sold as mescaline, and as itself from another source.


2c-b seems to be everywhere


2c-i was going around at one point but i think the guy selling had a few too many complaints.


i guess some people want to cash in while the goings good.

[MescalinePirate]

Oh yeah, a friend. It's legal anyway*

Yeah it was sold as 2C-E and was described as "a little like acid but nothing near as close"

^the idiot providing that description should be shot onsite, as should any retail dealer who does not provide relevant PiHKAL pages at the very least.

thanks, nano.Edited by: nanobrain

[dr.red.evil]

At fest's ive seen 2cb, and 2ce.I havent really seen any tryptamines on the street though

[oldman]

probably good that you haven't seen tryps on the street given that they seem to have a much steeper dose response curve than phenthyls, hence greater opportunity ofpeople's ignorance to bite them in the assand greaterchance of all rc's being gaurded more by the man. No one I've come across knows anything about rc's. Some have heard of foxy, or bees or 7 up but they have no idea what the stuff is. Right now swim isenjoying this loophole privledge and is hoping it will continue since he is not intersted in going to the streets any longer. But since the gov. is trying to ban even vitamins and supplements from being otc I guess we should all be careful not to shout the benefits of rc's in the street.

[MescalinePirate]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

^the idiot providing that description
should be shot onsite, as should any retail dealer who does not provide
relevant PiHKAL pages at the very least.

The people were informed that it was a research chemical and were informed about the dangers.



Thanks.

Edited by: MescalinePirate

[raven3davis]

SWIM has only found 2c-b on the streets and it was sold in a capsule as acid. Also, SWIM got some LSD blotter that was DOB. I have heard of pills on them with an i, which contain like 15mg of 2c-i, and I have also heard of blue mystics, which contain 2-c-t-7, but SWIM hasnt came across those either.

[MescalinePirate]

Blue Mystics? I overheard some people talking about those in a pub...

[Pinkavvy]

Originally Posted by MescalinePirate

Oh yeah, a friend. It's legal anyway*

Yeah it was sold as 2C-E and was described as "a little like acid but nothing near as close"

^the idiot providing that description should be shot onsite, as should any retail dealer who does not provide relevant PiHKAL pages at the very least.

thanks, nano.

it's nothing like lsd. it's not even close. it's more like mescaline then lsd, butr not really even close to that. 2c-e is great all in it's own ways.

resposible sellers of 2c-e or any research chem have copies of the phikal/thikal page that said rc comes from and hands out copies of the page with each dose.

and though it's kinda legal, it's 100% illegal to sell it as a drug, especially if it's already dosed out into a pill or something. infact, if you get busted selling it as a drug it makes it become illegal that much sooner for even posession. the legality is all about intent.



Edited by: pinkavvy

[MescalinePirate]

Originally Posted by pinkavvy

and though it's kinda legal, it's 100% illegal to sell
it as a drug, especially if it's already dosed out into a pill or
something.

Not true here. SWIM has been "busted" selling Salvia and was let go when
the police discovered that they had arrested said SWIM although good old Mr. SWIM had not been breaking a law.
They even apologised...



If it was any other way, a few shops here would have their employees arrested.



Don't assume we're all from the U.S.S.A.

Edited by: MescalinePirate

[Pinkavvy]

ah too true. however, salvia is sold in headshops in the u.s. too. it's not an analog of anything at all. whereas 2c-e is... and can be legally considered an analog if it is sold with the intent of it getting you high with similar effects. just be careful

[MescalinePirate]

Oh right, I see.



I've always kind of not understood analogue laws, I figured it was if
you sold something as something else then legally you would be
considered to be selling what you said it was. An example is some dick
who was selling frickin' table salt as Methamphetamine in my town
[actually in a bar I sometimes go to.] If I saw that guy, I would have
smacked him one bad



I wasn't aware that Salvia was still legal in the U.S.A. It's illegal
in Australia right? I made friends with an exchange student from the
U.S. and he said that the DEA put it on a list and it was going to be
illegalised in a few months [this was about a year ago.]



Maybe he just needed even more of an excuse to hate the crap out of the DEA



Cheers.

[oldman]

never happened, doubt it will before other rc's are scheduled. the buzz is just not rewarding enough to be a threat I'm told, but then again I just found out about kids inhaling those air blast aerosol cans a month or two ago. Doesn't it seem that the more things that become scheduled the crazier and more dangerous shit people are willing to do for a buzz.

[Pinkavvy]

oldman- what do you mean it didn't happen? in october of ... well a couple years ago ... the dea did release a notice declaring their INTENT to schedule it. however, unless it is scheduled under an emergency statute, or found to be an analog, it could take up to 7 years for the scheduling process to finish. (it must be studied, and understood what it does, etc.)

so... the dea has announce their intent to schedule, it has not been done yet... so therefor still legal ... and since it's nothing like anything else, it's not chance of being prosecuted as an analog.

Edited by: pinkavvy

[Nagognog2]

Oh I am so glad the evil weed marijuana is illegal. I found a kid doing the lawful thing in the woods recently: He was huffing butane and lighting the woods on fire for his kicks. Imagine the horrible things he might be doing if he was smoking the Devil's Weed! Egads!


I chased the little brat all the way home to his daddy.

[Pinkavvy]

nag- that's great, but what does it have to do with the topic? :P

[oldman]

sorry wasn't aware of the INTENT to schedule, but I was under the understanding that they could emergency schedule anything the wanted to in a very short ammount of time. Does anyone know of there being a list of subs. that the dea is intending to schedule at a later time. I woiuld think that the possibilities are infinite. I mean I've heard of there being a billattempting to be passed that would takemost vitamin andsupplements off the otc market and make it so you would need to obtain a MD's approval or perscription to get them. I do remember some posts a while back about salvia possibly becoming controlled but when it never happened I figured they found some other dead horse to go beat-- like melatonin and 5 HTP, you know the real hard stuff!

[nanobrain]

damn monkeys with solvents on the loose again.

blanket emergency scheduling of all potentially psychedelic compounds is rumoured to be in the works across the "free world"

in which case my monkeys will take up horticulture full time.Edited by: nanobrain

[Nagognog2]

Scroll up to oldman and his take on aerosols, Pink. Last analysis: I'd like to see the buggers outlaw that industry. Get it? Good.

[dogcow]

Yes I was first introduced to RCs by a dealer who sold me 2C-i as "acid mixed with ex" of course its nothing like either of those drugs. On further question he told me it was "2c-i, an extacy derivitive", again more misinformation. Its probably better RCs havent turned into street drugs yet because frankly misinformation will become rampant. Looking back on the experience i was pretty foolish taking something without even knowing what it was.


-dc

[Ephemerides]

Doesn't seem like they're popular enough to turn into street drugs. I
know people who've sold it. But it's just a sketchy and not very
profittable. So when they are illegal, then you'll have to get your
chem degree to make your own.

resposible sellers of 2c-e or any research chem have copies of the
phikal/thikal page that said rc comes from and hands out copies of the
page with each dose.

Now wouldn't that be nice if all the drug dealers started photocopying
information about their drugs and handing them out so no one gets
confused? I would love that.